For Open Beta, assuming the same server names, I think we should all stick with Ultimecia. I'd still like to revisit server choice come retail though :)
For city, I know a lot of us were planning to start retail in Gridania, so it was suggested that we consider Ul'dah for Open Beta, that way Gridania is shiny and new to us when retail rolls around.
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I think that's a great idea, we'll get experience in all 3 cities that way.
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As I've said before, I have no previous server obligations to other groups I am playing with, so I'm good with any retail server.
For open beta we should stick to ultimecia though.
For open beta we should stick to ultimecia though.
I am in as well.
Edited, Aug 26th 2010 11:44am by Geffe
Edited, Aug 26th 2010 11:44am by Geffe
uldah is acualy where i may want to start in the accual game but im in anyway :) can always travel later on ;). Ill try for the same name again.
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I would like Ul'dah. But any is fine. I plan to start in Gridania.
lolgaxe wrote:
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clicky
Short answer
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Edited, Aug 26th 2010 8:05pm by AngusX
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Edited, Aug 26th 2010 8:05pm by AngusX
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I want to start in Ul'dah coz I want to be come a miner and pugilist
I will see what my other friends think about starting at Gridania, otherwise I might have to join the LS few months later lol
I will see what my other friends think about starting at Gridania, otherwise I might have to join the LS few months later lol
well if we stick with Ultimecia and we want to keep our names then we should pick Ultimecia as our final server. I don't want to miss out on my name because we choose a different server at retail... just something to consider.
lolgaxe wrote:
When it comes to sitting around not doing anything for long periods of time, only being active for short windows, and marginal changes and sidegrades I'd say FFXI players were the perfect choice for politicians.
clicky
Statistically speaking, it's extremely unlikely with the surname system that someone else will have your same name, on any server, unless you're just ripping off of a popular character's name.
At any rate, FF8 was one of my least favorites of the series and I'd never want to be stuck on Ultimecia server for the next 5 years. Again, this is even assuming they keep with the boss names.
It's possible that you'll keep your name, but be able to pick a new server.
Edited, Aug 27th 2010 2:51pm by Mikhalia
At any rate, FF8 was one of my least favorites of the series and I'd never want to be stuck on Ultimecia server for the next 5 years. Again, this is even assuming they keep with the boss names.
It's possible that you'll keep your name, but be able to pick a new server.
Edited, Aug 27th 2010 2:51pm by Mikhalia
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hmm I think SE stated that you could only be guaranteed to keep your name if you are on the same server. I don't think my name will get chosen (and I haven't used my final name yet) but I am thinking for people who ARE concerned about that it would be nice if we just chose the server that we wanted to be on and did that for open beta - also that will be less confusing for people on release day as well.
Personally I don't care what game boss the server is named after or whatever... so if you don't like ultimecia I am 100 per cent into going somewhere else - I just think since all indications are these are the final server names - we should just choose the server we want to be on for release NOW for open beta, regardless.
Personally I don't care what game boss the server is named after or whatever... so if you don't like ultimecia I am 100 per cent into going somewhere else - I just think since all indications are these are the final server names - we should just choose the server we want to be on for release NOW for open beta, regardless.
Quote:
Players will be able to transfer their character names from the FINAL FANTASY XIV Open Beta Test to the official release. As long as the Worlds selected in the open beta test and the official release are the same, the character name used in the open beta test will be usable in the official release.
If a different World is selected, the player will be unable to transfer the character name, and possibly unable to create a new character with that name.
Please note that only the character's name can be transferred. Other data such as physical levels and items cannot be transferred.
*Upon the transfer of player character name, both selection of the world and character name input need to be done properly. Please make sure to remember both the world you belonged to and the name of the character you used during the Open Beta Test.
*With the character name that has been determined to be improper by Square Enix, the transfer may not be done.
*After the open beta test has concluded, the character names still existing on the account will be transferrable.
Examples:
World in the Open Beta Test Character Name World in the Official Release
Transferrable AAA Ccc_Ddd AAA
Untransferrable AAA Ccc_Ddd BBB
*Even if a character name is untransferrable, as long as another player is not using the name, Ccc_Ddd will be usable in World BBB.
If a different World is selected, the player will be unable to transfer the character name, and possibly unable to create a new character with that name.
Please note that only the character's name can be transferred. Other data such as physical levels and items cannot be transferred.
*Upon the transfer of player character name, both selection of the world and character name input need to be done properly. Please make sure to remember both the world you belonged to and the name of the character you used during the Open Beta Test.
*With the character name that has been determined to be improper by Square Enix, the transfer may not be done.
*After the open beta test has concluded, the character names still existing on the account will be transferrable.
Examples:
World in the Open Beta Test Character Name World in the Official Release
Transferrable AAA Ccc_Ddd AAA
Untransferrable AAA Ccc_Ddd BBB
*Even if a character name is untransferrable, as long as another player is not using the name, Ccc_Ddd will be usable in World BBB.
lolgaxe wrote:
When it comes to sitting around not doing anything for long periods of time, only being active for short windows, and marginal changes and sidegrades I'd say FFXI players were the perfect choice for politicians.
clicky
Grand Master Scribe Olorinus wrote:
hmm I think SE stated that you could only be guaranteed to keep your name if you are on the same server. I don't think my name will get chosen (and I haven't used my final name yet) but I am thinking for people who ARE concerned about that it would be nice if we just chose the server that we wanted to be on and did that for open beta - also that will be less confusing for people on release day as well.
Personally I don't care what game boss the server is named after or whatever... so if you don't like ultimecia I am 100 per cent into going somewhere else - I just think since all indications are these are the final server names - we should just choose the server we want to be on for release NOW for open beta, regardless.
Personally I don't care what game boss the server is named after or whatever... so if you don't like ultimecia I am 100 per cent into going somewhere else - I just think since all indications are these are the final server names - we should just choose the server we want to be on for release NOW for open beta, regardless.
Quote:
Players will be able to transfer their character names from the FINAL FANTASY XIV Open Beta Test to the official release. As long as the Worlds selected in the open beta test and the official release are the same, the character name used in the open beta test will be usable in the official release.
If a different World is selected, the player will be unable to transfer the character name, and possibly unable to create a new character with that name.
Please note that only the character's name can be transferred. Other data such as physical levels and items cannot be transferred.
*Upon the transfer of player character name, both selection of the world and character name input need to be done properly. Please make sure to remember both the world you belonged to and the name of the character you used during the Open Beta Test.
*With the character name that has been determined to be improper by Square Enix, the transfer may not be done.
*After the open beta test has concluded, the character names still existing on the account will be transferrable.
Examples:
World in the Open Beta Test Character Name World in the Official Release
Transferrable AAA Ccc_Ddd AAA
Untransferrable AAA Ccc_Ddd BBB
*Even if a character name is untransferrable, as long as another player is not using the name, Ccc_Ddd will be usable in World BBB.
If a different World is selected, the player will be unable to transfer the character name, and possibly unable to create a new character with that name.
Please note that only the character's name can be transferred. Other data such as physical levels and items cannot be transferred.
*Upon the transfer of player character name, both selection of the world and character name input need to be done properly. Please make sure to remember both the world you belonged to and the name of the character you used during the Open Beta Test.
*With the character name that has been determined to be improper by Square Enix, the transfer may not be done.
*After the open beta test has concluded, the character names still existing on the account will be transferrable.
Examples:
World in the Open Beta Test Character Name World in the Official Release
Transferrable AAA Ccc_Ddd AAA
Untransferrable AAA Ccc_Ddd BBB
*Even if a character name is untransferrable, as long as another player is not using the name, Ccc_Ddd will be usable in World BBB.
That whole quote pretty much says what I thought; that you technically won't "keep" your name but so long as no one is using it, you should be able to just create a character with the desired name.
I'm fine with Ultimecia or something different for Open Beta, but it would be terribly nice if we knew what the retail server names are going to be ahead of time.
Food for thought: FFXI for JP PS2 had 4 beta servers (Two of the names, Golbez and Exdeath were reused in XIV beta) and 19 live servers.
So we know that SE is going to have to be launching a lot more servers at retail with new names beyond what we already have. We just don't know what naming convention they will use.
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
Grand Master Scribe Olorinus wrote:
hmm I think SE stated that you could only be guaranteed to keep your name if you are on the same server. I don't think my name will get chosen (and I haven't used my final name yet) but I am thinking for people who ARE concerned about that it would be nice if we just chose the server that we wanted to be on and did that for open beta - also that will be less confusing for people on release day as well.
Personally I don't care what game boss the server is named after or whatever... so if you don't like ultimecia I am 100 per cent into going somewhere else - I just think since all indications are these are the final server names - we should just choose the server we want to be on for release NOW for open beta, regardless.
Personally I don't care what game boss the server is named after or whatever... so if you don't like ultimecia I am 100 per cent into going somewhere else - I just think since all indications are these are the final server names - we should just choose the server we want to be on for release NOW for open beta, regardless.
Quote:
Players will be able to transfer their character names from the FINAL FANTASY XIV Open Beta Test to the official release. As long as the Worlds selected in the open beta test and the official release are the same, the character name used in the open beta test will be usable in the official release.
If a different World is selected, the player will be unable to transfer the character name, and possibly unable to create a new character with that name.
Please note that only the character's name can be transferred. Other data such as physical levels and items cannot be transferred.
*Upon the transfer of player character name, both selection of the world and character name input need to be done properly. Please make sure to remember both the world you belonged to and the name of the character you used during the Open Beta Test.
*With the character name that has been determined to be improper by Square Enix, the transfer may not be done.
*After the open beta test has concluded, the character names still existing on the account will be transferrable.
Examples:
World in the Open Beta Test Character Name World in the Official Release
Transferrable AAA Ccc_Ddd AAA
Untransferrable AAA Ccc_Ddd BBB
*Even if a character name is untransferrable, as long as another player is not using the name, Ccc_Ddd will be usable in World BBB.
If a different World is selected, the player will be unable to transfer the character name, and possibly unable to create a new character with that name.
Please note that only the character's name can be transferred. Other data such as physical levels and items cannot be transferred.
*Upon the transfer of player character name, both selection of the world and character name input need to be done properly. Please make sure to remember both the world you belonged to and the name of the character you used during the Open Beta Test.
*With the character name that has been determined to be improper by Square Enix, the transfer may not be done.
*After the open beta test has concluded, the character names still existing on the account will be transferrable.
Examples:
World in the Open Beta Test Character Name World in the Official Release
Transferrable AAA Ccc_Ddd AAA
Untransferrable AAA Ccc_Ddd BBB
*Even if a character name is untransferrable, as long as another player is not using the name, Ccc_Ddd will be usable in World BBB.
That whole quote pretty much says what I thought; that you technically won't "keep" your name but so long as no one is using it, you should be able to just create a character with the desired name.
I'm fine with Ultimecia or something different for Open Beta, but it would be terribly nice if we knew what the retail server names are going to be ahead of time.
Food for thought: FFXI for JP PS2 had 4 beta servers (Two of the names, Golbez and Exdeath were reused in XIV beta) and 19 live servers.
So we know that SE is going to have to be launching a lot more servers at retail with new names beyond what we already have. We just don't know what naming convention they will use.
I take this to mean that the Beta Server names will be used for retail release.
PS. count me in
Quote:
As long as the Worlds selected in the open beta test and the official release are the same
This quote implies they are at least keeping what we have for retail. I don't see the big deal in just picking our retail server out of the server list that already exists.
Why not. If you hate Ultimecia why continue to play there? We might as well get started on a server - especially since a lot of the same people will be staying on that server - so it would be nice to get to know more of the players we can expect to see at retail. Most people will play the same server in retail as they did in beta. Starting us on a new server for retail will just mean we have less connections to folks.
lolgaxe wrote:
When it comes to sitting around not doing anything for long periods of time, only being active for short windows, and marginal changes and sidegrades I'd say FFXI players were the perfect choice for politicians.
clicky
Unless more servers are added for open beta, we should just go by the list of servers that are currently available.
Grand Master Scribe Olorinus wrote:
Quote:
As long as the Worlds selected in the open beta test and the official release are the same
This quote implies they are at least keeping what we have for retail. I don't see the big deal in just picking our retail server out of the server list that already exists.
Why not. If you hate Ultimecia why continue to play there? We might as well get started on a server - especially since a lot of the same people will be staying on that server - so it would be nice to get to know more of the players we can expect to see at retail. Most people will play the same server in retail as they did in beta. Starting us on a new server for retail will just mean we have less connections to folks.
Because assuming they are going with the "Boss names", my first choice would be Zemus/Zeromus, which is not on the list, but might be at release.
I don't feel comfortable making a decision without knowing all the facts. Right now the only things we know are:
1) Some people think they are going to keep the same names.
2) There will definitely be more names.
I can't decide on a retail server until I know exactly what the full retail server list will be.
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Geffe the Meaningless wrote:
Unless more servers are added for open beta, we should just go by the list of servers that are currently available.
For open beta, it doesn't matter to me since we'll only be there for a couple weeks.
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Maybe we should start compiling a list of people who don't care what server we are on and those that do. The decision will ultimately have to be between those that do care. I for one don't care what server we choose for release.
I both care and don't care. I care insofar as making relationships is important to me so I would prefer to stick to the same server from open-beta to release. Which server we choose otherwise doesn't matter to me.
lolgaxe wrote:
When it comes to sitting around not doing anything for long periods of time, only being active for short windows, and marginal changes and sidegrades I'd say FFXI players were the perfect choice for politicians.
clicky
Yeah I couldn't give two sh*ts what server I'm on, as long as everyone else is there too.
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If I like a retail server that is not currently in beta better than the list of open beta servers, I'm going to vote for that instead, honestly.
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whereas for me it is more important who is on a server than the name - out of the servers we have now which do you like the best Mikhalia? Can we choose that for now and plan to stay in it unless most everyone thinks it is more important to switch to one with a name that isn't available now?
lolgaxe wrote:
When it comes to sitting around not doing anything for long periods of time, only being active for short windows, and marginal changes and sidegrades I'd say FFXI players were the perfect choice for politicians.
clicky
It is just, for example I partied with people in last beta and I had fun. I would like to be able to party with people in open beta, get to know them, find out if they plan to keep the same name, etc - and then have even more friends to play with when release happens.
lolgaxe wrote:
When it comes to sitting around not doing anything for long periods of time, only being active for short windows, and marginal changes and sidegrades I'd say FFXI players were the perfect choice for politicians.
clicky
Grand Master Scribe Olorinus wrote:
whereas for me it is more important who is on a server than the name - out of the servers we have now which do you like the best Mikhalia? Can we choose that for now and plan to stay in it unless most everyone thinks it is more important to switch to one with a name that isn't available now?
Agreed. Servers are just names really. We've potentially got a good one, why not run with it? Once you pick your server, you'll hardly ever even have to think about it again.
Out of the names that are currently available, my favorite is Golbez.
But I still would rather wait for release to see if there is a name I like better.
But I still would rather wait for release to see if there is a name I like better.
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First off, I'm fine with whatever server and starter city all of you pick, but I am a little worried about my name transferring.
Do you think SE might object to Colonel Angus?
Quote:
*With the character name that has been determined to be improper by Square Enix, the transfer may not be done.
Do you think SE might object to Colonel Angus?
catwho wrote:
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I don't think that is high enough profile for them to reject
my guess is they won't want phuck ewe and Paris Hilton more than less popular stuff
my guess is they won't want phuck ewe and Paris Hilton more than less popular stuff
lolgaxe wrote:
When it comes to sitting around not doing anything for long periods of time, only being active for short windows, and marginal changes and sidegrades I'd say FFXI players were the perfect choice for politicians.
clicky
I know it's corny-sounding: but as long as we're all together, I don't have preference over any other server.
Golbez is pretty sweet. My first choice was Kefka (obviously, as I'm practically obsessed with FF6), but I think it might be too crowded.
Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
Out of the names that are currently available, my favorite is Golbez.
But I still would rather wait for release to see if there is a name I like better.
But I still would rather wait for release to see if there is a name I like better.
Golbez is pretty sweet. My first choice was Kefka (obviously, as I'm practically obsessed with FF6), but I think it might be too crowded.
I'm cool with Golbez. Like I said, my only preference is that we stick with the same server at release if at all possible. I know it is corny but I consider making friends to be as important as leveling up - and unlike any levels I gain in open beta - I -CAN- carry over friends.
lolgaxe wrote:
When it comes to sitting around not doing anything for long periods of time, only being active for short windows, and marginal changes and sidegrades I'd say FFXI players were the perfect choice for politicians.
clicky
AngusX wrote:
First off, I'm fine with whatever server and starter city all of you pick, but I am a little worried about my name transferring.
Do you think SE might object to Colonel Angus?
Quote:
*With the character name that has been determined to be improper by Square Enix, the transfer may not be done.
Do you think SE might object to Colonel Angus?
I doubt they'd get the reference.
EDIT: And yes, I -do- get the reference.
Edited, Aug 27th 2010 5:34pm by Mikhalia
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Colonel Angus... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
My 
Sephiroth World: Hell no.
Ultimecia World: Meh. Would have liked Edea better.
Jecht World: FFX fans are almost as bad as FFVII fans. Almost.
Shadowlord World: I like it but I worry it might be -too- popular and will become the Odin of FFXIV.
Exdeath World: I liked FFV but I would rather avoid the people who will pick it just because it has "Death" in it.
Emperor World: Too generic.
Gabranth World: My favorite FF, but not really my favorite boss.
Garland World: A classic game with a classic villain. Much 8-bit love here. Third pick.
Kefka World: I like it, but also worry it might get too crowded. Either way, someone who would pick Kefka is pretty cool in my book. Second pick behind Golbez.
Golbez World: My second favorite FF, and while I'd rather have Zemus/Zeromus since Golbez isn't really a boss (Seriously, they go with Ultimecia instead of Edea but Golbez instead of Zemus? WTF SE?), It's my first pick.
Sephiroth World: Hell no.
Ultimecia World: Meh. Would have liked Edea better.
Jecht World: FFX fans are almost as bad as FFVII fans. Almost.
Shadowlord World: I like it but I worry it might be -too- popular and will become the Odin of FFXIV.
Exdeath World: I liked FFV but I would rather avoid the people who will pick it just because it has "Death" in it.
Emperor World: Too generic.
Gabranth World: My favorite FF, but not really my favorite boss.
Garland World: A classic game with a classic villain. Much 8-bit love here. Third pick.
Kefka World: I like it, but also worry it might get too crowded. Either way, someone who would pick Kefka is pretty cool in my book. Second pick behind Golbez.
Golbez World: My second favorite FF, and while I'd rather have Zemus/Zeromus since Golbez isn't really a boss (Seriously, they go with Ultimecia instead of Edea but Golbez instead of Zemus? WTF SE?), It's my first pick.
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I am 100 per cent good with Golbez. Like I said - my only preference is staying in the same server at release if possible/agreeable to the majority. There do seem to be a lot of Zam people in Kefka however, as well - if that matters.
lolgaxe wrote:
When it comes to sitting around not doing anything for long periods of time, only being active for short windows, and marginal changes and sidegrades I'd say FFXI players were the perfect choice for politicians.
clicky
Wint wrote:
Yeah I couldn't give two sh*ts what server I'm on, as long as everyone else is there too.
This is Basically my view.
I know I'm very new to this little community. But I'd like to grow with it. {I'll Follow You}. I hope we can just stick with Ulti for convenience purposes.
September 21st, at midnight, shortly after I'll be back from gamestop, and I hope we can have it decided by then, or very very shortly after in the IRC.
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So with the list that we have so far, I know most people seem to be against Sephiroth. Many others say they don't care. Here's the full list again:
Emperor World:
Exdeath World:
Gabranth World:
Garland World:
Golbez World:
Jecht World:
Kefka World:
Sephiroth World:
Shadowlord World:
Ultimecia World:
We have Golbez likes, Kefka Likes, Ultimecia likes; I already know how I feel (dislike Ultimecia, among others), is there anyone that has any server they would strongly prefer?
I'm planning to put a poll up to vote on Golbez vs Kefka. If anyone feels strongly enough to suggest that other options should be added to the poll, speak up :)
Emperor World:
Exdeath World:
Gabranth World:
Garland World:
Golbez World:
Jecht World:
Kefka World:
Sephiroth World:
Shadowlord World:
Ultimecia World:
We have Golbez likes, Kefka Likes, Ultimecia likes; I already know how I feel (dislike Ultimecia, among others), is there anyone that has any server they would strongly prefer?
I'm planning to put a poll up to vote on Golbez vs Kefka. If anyone feels strongly enough to suggest that other options should be added to the poll, speak up :)
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sounds fine to me
lolgaxe wrote:
When it comes to sitting around not doing anything for long periods of time, only being active for short windows, and marginal changes and sidegrades I'd say FFXI players were the perfect choice for politicians.
clicky
+1 Gabranth
I'm opposed to the same ones as Mik for the same reasons. However, I'm gonna have to throw a vote in for Gabranth. He was pretty damn awesome. And you can't beat those helmets.
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