Dynamis LS warningFollow

Warning to other Dynamis LS that do runs at around 5PM PST (1:00AM GMT):


There is currently a Dynamis LS that goes by the name of StarsMakers (previously Dynamite), that is refusing to use the dynamis calendar at the SpikeFlail forum.

They have already stolen Jeuno from us on July 30 and attempted to take Bastok from our LS (w00t) on July 2nd

Their leader's name is Lionze and his response to our shell leader was that we didn't have any right to the zone. Our leader (Zanaros) proceeded to explain what the dynamis calendar is and the purpose of why it should be used.

Lionze' response is that he shouldn't have to schedule his runs and he refuses to use it.

Be wary if you have runs around this time, as he may likely steal a zone you'll need or have scheduled.


Edit: They have also taken spots from Worship The Floor as well.


Edited, Jul 30th 2008 9:37pm by Icefloe

Drama.

Blame SE for leaving this not fixed for so long.

hahahahahaha totally forgot about that gilbuyer.

I found this on the Starsmakers forum concerning their reason behind this ._.
also for some lolz, check out their website for yourself
http://www.starsmaker.tk/


because of the troubles we are having with the calendar, today i contacted sallim (the administrator of the calendar site) to ask him to maske public to the rest of LS the following conversation, in order to stop threatening us and talking bad about us, i hope ppl understand....



Hello Sellim, This is Lionze, Leader of Starsmaker Dynamis LS.
I contact you to explain our LS situation.

We are being threatened and insulted by most of the LS´s registered here because we dont follow this calendar.
As the administrator says: the Dynamis Calendar was made for the "sole purpose of communication between linkshells." So if there is one thing you must know, know this: the calendar does not serve as a "booking agent" you generally don't "own the areas" and barking at other people about it never helps. If you see a LS with an area you'd like, contact them and try to negotiate the area. Try to talk to the others and build up a relationship to benefit both linkshells. With that said, look further down if you're new to the calendar and want access to post.

So this is not official and its only a help between comunication.

I would be happy to be able to help the other LS by not crushing our schedules. but this is totally impossible for us because of our time, most of EU the members goes to bed about 5-6AM to go work in a few hours, and cant be done earlier because USA members are still at work/school. so we have THAT exact time to do our runs. and we just cannot change it.
It is true that when I started my LS i didnt hear about this calendar, and I repeat I wish i could use it (No one wishes bad fame or being threatened every day).
I feel really bad when we are on a "booked" area, but right now we are over 76 members and i just cant fail to them. Sometimes being in game is an Agony because of all these players talking bad to me, talking about my ls members and making nasty /tells to insult me. and this is the reason why i contact you.
I wish this conversation to be public for those LS´s that visit your site to "book" an area to know we dont have bad intentions, we only do what we can, when we can and not gonna stop doing our runs, When we have scheduled an specific area and its taken we just go to another and no one arges.
The fault here is SE who should have done something like splitting the entrance in different independant areas just like BCNM, where multiple parties/alliances can do the same, with their own porpouse, or in any case an official Booking system.
We try always to choose an area not taking on your calendar, but we cannot just repeat the same run over and over, now with the reduction of the timeless hourglass a lot of new LS will want to do the same runs at the same times that are already "taken" on your calendar, we are not only 5-6 LS´s doing dynamis, we are a lot more and growing, with all this im not trying to say im sorry, im trying ppl to understand, that its not a matter of courtesy, its a matter of real life time and reality, we are too many LS´s and 24 hours a day.

Have you ever created a dyna LS with friends from all over the world? If not I suggest you have no reason to "lolz".

Since I'm a sack on that LS I can tell you that's a lie. We don't use that calendar to specifically piss people off. I suggest you go back to your little closet now.

I think you've put what everyone here is trying to say very eloquently. Thank you. I'm sure if i would try to say it, I'd end up doing it rudely and rough. I had found a few of my friends who were in Dynamite(Lionze's previous dynamis shell, he had broken pearls several times) who honestly didn't know that the leaders refused to use the calendar. Needless to say, when they found out, I quickly convinced them to get out and join my own dynamis shell. So honestly, I can't blame everyone on it. But by now, I'm sure most members in the shell already know what is going on, due to them addressing this issue within their own website forum.

The frustration came not only from them not using the forums, but the fact that the first time a conflict happened, when we were trying to be informative and let them know about the calendar (assuming ignorance over rudeness), we basically got cursed at and told to screw off. I've heard the same thing was told to WorshipTheFloor.

After talking to them again yesterday, they gave excuses such as "we are stuck with the same runs over and over again due to people claiming runs on the calendar". If they don't want to have to do the same runs over again. RESERVE SPOTS IN ADVANCED LIKE OTHER PEOPLE. most linkshells reserve their spots about a month before hand. The only advice i can give them, before things get really out of hand, is to just stop making excuses and join the calendar, before your linkshell's reputation really gets anymore soured.

No time frame to go to Dynamis?!?! GASP!! If that's the case, you don't go to Dynamis. I fixed the problem for you. What did I win?

i think this works better in showing how much of an @#%^ this linkshell looks like by ganking dynamis zones from other people that reserved a zone.

yeah but stealing money is illegal, unlike dynamis, I'd say its more along the lines of you see someone drop money without them noticing, and then you take it..... or something..

lol, Lionze is popular with the boyz, even with that mouth...

Lionze

Hello! My name is Kysah and I'm a member of the dynamis shell Starsmaker. I am a sack in this ls and help plan the runs, points as well as other odds and ends.

Allow me to start off with that I am not here to slander or argue with anyone. There's no need and there is plenty of anger in this thread as it is. I am also not here to defend Starsmaker in the decision to not use the calendar. I just would like to say my piece if I may in hopes for better communication for all and less misunderstanding.

I have been playing the game for over two years now and have decided its time to get into dynamis. I already have alot accomplished in this game. To my dismay tho when I was out looking for a dynamis linkshell I was turned down often. Not because I have experiance, not because I'm a bad player. The reason was I had none of the cities cleared. This was not just one shell, this was most ones I asked or applied to that was in the time frame I had available. Yes I was very discouraged. How was I supposed to join a dyna shell with all these requirements if I could not get a city cleared? I understand that clearing a city is a hassle, especailly for the linkshells that have been around for ages. I understand. Requirements are needed for every linkshell. So when I saw Lionze's shell pop up needing people and willing to get clears I was estatic. Finally something I can work with. At the time; no, I didn't know about the calendar thing. I recruited all my friends to this shell because they had the same dilema. Quickly I became a sack. I have a nack for organizing, keeping track of points and leading people that need help. I get things done.

Now there is a whirlwind of rumors flying around and slander to my friends and other linkshell members. That's when I found out about the calendar. I have been in discussion with Lionze to try to get him to at least start posting in the calendar to help reserve runs. I do not want to step on peoples toes. He brought up a vaild point tho. If we started now how do we know that the other linkshells won't purposely try to block us from every run we have available to do that day? There is fear now with so much hate (On both sides) that this may not work. As I stated before I am not here to defend Starsmaker. I am not here to slander anyone. I'm not here to make excuses. I remain with Starsmaker for the fact that these people are decent people. All of them work hard for the same goal. These players came to this linkshell for the same reason I did. All I want for us now is a solution.

If any of the dynamis linkshell leads wish to speak with me I am willing to listen and discuss a solution. I want an open and understanding communication between us all. No hate, no slander from anyone. I will do what I can to help reach this goal. I hope that is what everyone wants. A way to communicate about runs without taking other peoples slots.

Please take what I've had to say into consideration. I would like everyone from other linkshells as well as my own to please stop the anger and spite. It will get us no where. Thank you for your time! Let us all work together!

Well, I can't comment on that one way or another as I know it wasn't me that said that. But, I do know hearsay can be troublesome and I know Lionze and if he did say that then same on him, but sorry I'll need a bit more evidence to support that claim before I believe he said it like that. Especially considering the agenda of people here. Sorry, but I think anyone would feel the same as me when an unproven comment is made against an LS member.

Furthermore, we are fully aware of the calender and why it exists. Nevertheless, it's still broken, sooooo over broken it's not funny.

Look at the pot call the tea kettle black. You sir, are no intellectual to not spot the obviousness in your own folly.

To this ends I agree, but I don't think that should stop us from also trying to get SE to wake up. But, really, what's the criteria for choosing a site by some (not all that's impossible) LSes out there? What, some other LS said one exist? There's tons of dyna calendar sites on the net, which prey tell is the real one? The answer is: none.

Now, I fully agree there needs to be some coordination. As I'm not the leader of this LS the best I can do is lend a strong suggestion and we sacks vote on it. Nevertheless, something still needs to be done, and I prefer it being civil (generalizing here).

Yes, I've read Lionze's post as well. I apologize for his rather rude behavior. This isn't a way to solve anything, it just makes things worse. I am willing to try the calendar tho. Or find a way to let you all know where we want to go on the day we have runs planned. I expect retaliation. I'm sadden by it, but it is reality. The sooner we can get past this the sooner the server ragnarok and the world of dynamis can go back to normal.

But you weren't being defensive, you were being offensive. There is a difference between the two, but either way you were expressing yourself with immaturity.



It's not about relishing the drama, no one is enjoying this crap. It's about a racist pig leading a dynamis linkshell, and it's pathetic members who support him and his putrid behavior.



WTF does it matter who began the calender? Is that the reason your LS refuses to use it? Because someone else thought of it first? That's just another one of your ignorant attempts at justifying your linkshell's inappropriate disrespect of the other members of the Ragnarok community. You're as pathetic as Lionze.



Um, get your facts straight with your leader, he posted this BS in a whole new unnecessary thread:

Yet you do anyway, lol.



This isn't a court of law and since you don't matter no one needs to provide you with evidence of anything. Several members of several linkshells have stated they were cursed and treated rudely by Lionze and other members of StarsMaker. You can turn a blind eye all you want, but at some point you have to pull your head out and see what is staring you straight in the face. The racist behavior exhibited by Lionze and the members of his linkshell is wrong.



What agenda? If you are going to make off the wall remarks like that, back your crap up. If you claim that someone here has an agenda, then you must know what it is...so state it.



You've stated that the calender is broken, and that it is fundamentally flawed. Again, back your crap up. Explain how it is broken or flawed.

You're exceptionally weak at debate. You throw out points but then fail to follow through with them.

Yeah, me too. In fact, the only communication Lionze has responded with, on numerous occasions, is in anger. On boards, in tells, etc.



Well, when he acts the way he does there are going to be people angry enough to retaliate against him. Just tell him to be a little more open minded, to get over his hatred of American people, and show his fellow human beings some common courtesy and respect. It's called the golden rule.



But doesn't that tell you something? If he is receiving /tells everyday with threats and insults, then clearly he is pissing off a lot of the community. That community is a strong force in itself, and deliberately going against it is rather stupid. Not using the calender just because it was from an American website/shell is not an acceptable reason. I think we are all well aware that SE needs to do something about this Dynamis thing, but until that happens there has to be some sort of organization. Is Lionze just trying to be rebellious for the sake of it? I mean, this behavior he exhibits is rebelling against his peers...his equals. It's not like marching up to an authoritative or governmental agency and protesting for a right.



Thanks, that is very mature of you. It's good to see someone willing to cooperate and work together as a team. :)

EPIC FORUM BATTLEZ!!!!!

Again Kysah thank you for being very understanding and mature, not following the leader just because he's your leader, instead voicing your own opinions and not afraid to speak your mind. Hopefully you guys will come to a decision and when you do, please let us know <3

I debated on if I should waste the time to post or not. In the end, I decided after reading Kysah & Jereth's posts that maybe the effort spent writing this post would not be totally in vain.

Back when Lionze was using Dynamite to cause his havoc on our little Ragnarok EU/NA Dynamis ecosystem, I had the misfortune of making his acquaintance. I tried speaking with him about Dynamite using the calender since he had entered a zone that our Dynamis LS WorshipTheFloor was about to enter.

As many others have said, he initially claimed he did not know about it. Then he simply stated that he did not care about the Calendar and that he could not set times on it because his LS didn't know what times they were going to go to Dynamis. He repeated over and over that his LS just went when they had enough people and to whatever zone they felt like if it was empty.

After myself, and another Senior Officer from WorshipTheFloor failed speaking with him, we wrote him off as someone who was just unwilling to compromise. I hoped in time, that even though we were unable to make headway with him, another Dynamis shell might succeed where we didn't. Later, after having the issue happen again under their new name Starsmakers it became apparent that he did not change his views.

We all know that the Dynamis System as it is now is broken. Square-Enix however in their infinite wisdom have deemed it a moot issue and instead of making the zones instanced like they should have been, they're instead focusing their efforts elsewhere. Square-Enix created a problem, how we answer that problem is what defines us as linkshells. With each passing year, it becomes more apparent that we are to be left to our own devices to keep some semblance of order in the chaos.

The Dynamis Calender for Ragnarok is not solely used by North Americans. The Calendar not only is used currently, but also has been used in the past by EU as well. The Japanese do not use it, but they have their own system and very rarely do they encroach upon our times leaving no reason to use it. Lionze came into this system, and while it's true he is not required by Square Enix to adapt to it, he is required to do so by his fellow peers on Ragnarok. Simply stating that he cannot control when he does the runs, then constantly doing the runs in the same time pattern has gotten old and is a blatant excuse at this point.

I think finally we are all on the same page. Square-Enix broke Dynamis from it's inception, we all agree. Square-Enix does not require you to use the Calendar, we all agree. Linkshells on Ragnarok in the NA/EU time zones who do not use the Calendar are ostracized and ridiculed, we all agree. The solution then is simple. As you stated Kysah, start using the Calendar. Pick a common time that the majority of your members can go. Register on the Calendar forum. Plan Starsmaker's runs for the current month for whatever zone you can get until you reach a point on the Calendar that is empty. If done properly, and done correctly you can schedule your linkshell runs months in advance. This will virtually guarantee that you'll have your first pick of zones.

I just want to say Kysah and Jereth, if you two alone are aware that all this could have been avoided by simply using the Calendar then that is enough. Two Officers against one should be enough of a reason for Lionze to accept the Calendar. If he is worried about retaliation he has no reason to fear it from WorshipTheFloor. Just honor the reservations placed on the Calendar and you will have no reprisals from us for your past transgressions. I cannot speak for Woot, or Onigiri but I am willing to bet that even though there are hard feelings on all sides they are willing to put this to rest.

If Lionze still doesn't see the path he took led him to this current situation for him and his members, Kysah & Jereth you two owe it to yourselves and your fellow members to stage a coup d’état. Your devotion and defense of Lionze is admirable, but there is a point where your solidarity turns into a handicap. You're making excuses for him when he himself should be the one willing to communicate and set things right. Language barrier or not, he has shown by his past actions and current posts that he is probably not the best person suited to be handling a Dynamis LS. I wish you both luck with your future Dynamis runs, and hope you understand and soak in all that myself and others have said to you here on these forums.




Edited, Sep 16th 2008 12:20pm by SoramimiCake

what happens to my mouth? O_o

Kysah is right we are not willing to steal anyone´s taken area, actually i check the calendar trying not to direct my ls to a taken one

My goodness Bethany that's a mighty post. I appreciate it tho. Jereth and I as well as the other sacks are working hard to do what we can. Dynamis politics is fun huh? Been working in my forums with lots of discussion and making lots of headway. All that's really needed now is some scheduling conflicts to recede so that I have a proper schedule to make. Or if Lionze actually wants to do the calendar instead of me, we still need this figured out.

I am thankful for everyone's positive reactions to my posts and happy people are listening. I believed things could be resolved with proper communication and willingness to listen without getting personal.

I am sorry tho it had to come to very angry remarks made by everyone for it to reach this point. I'm sure some feelings will never go away on either side from what has been said. I am hopeful tho that relations between everyone will get better from here and continue to prosper.