It being so long between episodes & the fact that I'm a comic fanboy, while being factors, do not take away that this was one of the best episodes of TWD ever.
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Yeah, this was a great season opener. Looking forward to the rest of it! But I'm kind of bummed they didn't kill off Carl over the winter. I still hate that kid.
Wow, that was some powerful TV. Even though I knew the ultimate fate of one of the characters that died tonight beforehand Lori, due to following the comics, I think this version was better. From Lori's sacrifice, to what Carl had to do, to Rick's reaction...wow.
As a comic fan, I was most excited about Michonne & the Governor showing up, but they were much less interesting than the other stuff. Holy sh*t!
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"The Rich are there to take all of the money & pay none of the taxes, the middle class is there to do all the work and pay all the taxes, and the poor are there to scare the crap out of the middle class." -George Carlin
"We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary." — James D. Nicoll
While Lori's death in the comic was more...brutal (especially since the baby dies too), I felt her death on the show was...I don't know? Honorable? When she dies in the comic, she's pretty much been a moody insufferable @#%^ for awhile. I really liked the build up to "good" Lori over the course of this season, & her death coming when & how it did was a pleasant surprise.
Edited, Nov 5th 2012 1:58pm by Omegavegeta
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Screw it I'll say it: I. LIKED. T-Dog. I realize "Theodore" ('cuz no one knew his damn name!) wasn't a big character in the show necessarily but I honestly have to blame that on the show's writers for sh*tting on him for no real apparent reason other than they just could: Merle beating the hell out of him in the second episode, running from a zombie and cutting his arm open, essentially having no lines. I could go on...
Anyway, I haven't read the comics (though I plan to in the future) but Lori in season two pretty much made me hate her character just for not knowing when to shut up and stop making things worse. Fingers crossed Carl becomes the group badass now.
And how the hell did they come out of Atlanta and he was the only black guy in the group? Sorry, had to ask...
That was a good episode last night. It had pretty much everything, fear, zombie-busting, good plot advancement,.. and a good mix of painful events, triumph and twists. Last week's episode was a bit slow.
Although, with T-Dog's death, it felt like a bit of a placeholder. Somewhat like '1 member from the main group has to die each episode' and he was the easiest to get rid of.
And, what was up with the that little story that Rick was telling about a guy he arrested when he was a rookie. I watched it with CC during the second showing, and he said something along the lines of 'i busted this kid'. Was he speaking of one of the two convicts (white guy and black guy) or did he just pull out that stupid story as some 'all convicts are bad' justification?
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Was he speaking of one of the two convicts (white guy and black guy) or did he just pull out that stupid story as some 'all convicts are bad' justification?
His story was that he caught someone who killed his girlfriend, but was so convincing of his innocence that he got off and ended up killing someone else. I think it was more along the lines of "Just because they say they're innocent (or in this case, harmless) doesn't mean they are."
Carl Spoiler: He doesn't die, but seems to constantly attract bullets.
Edited, Nov 6th 2012 10:19am by lolgaxe
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I didn't think they'd bring in Penny, or maybe wait much longer but there she was. Zombie World Wrestling is how I would handle the Zombie Apocalypse as well. Either way, for a storyline that was almost 40 books long, they sure are moving at a quick pace.
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I thought Penny would have shown up at the end of the last episode, as it would have been more dramatic than the "TV" zombies.
Oh well.
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That's Andrea. And yes, at this point you can't be surprised that a woman was worthless in the tv series.
Michonne is showing promise, but barely, and I must admit even I'm surprised Carol survived. Also, I'm surprised they did the big reveal about the phone so soon. They could have drawn that out for a lot longer. Normally I don't like drawn out things, but in this case I think it would have worked out to show his instability.
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Oh, I never watch those because I don't want to know what happens the next week until then. Which is an odd thing to say considering I read the comics, but still.
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Just finished watching the 6th episode from last week. So far season 3 is a great watch. Don't like this new Michonne character too much. While her decisions so far make sense I can't stand the way she is acted. This permanent angry facial expression gets on my nerves. Other than that she shows promise. I hope they have a good explanation why she's so adept at sword-fighting.
And hey, I cared about T-Dog! Was not my favorite character but a solid addition to the group. Apart from that one time when he ripped his arm open for no good reason.
Thanks to Amazon Instant Video I'm finally caught up with everyone. I'm loving the fast pace of this year so far. Very little in the way of down time. My thought right now on this season's finale: it will have something to do with Merle sacrificing himself to save Daryl. He's already lied to the Governor about Michonne being dead. The only reason I have for thinking this is from the first season when they went back to get Merle and Daryl said "The only thing that can kill Merle is Merle." That quote just stuck with me. I may be wrong, we'll see.
- Yay for casting Cutty from The Wire as Tyreese! - TV Andrea still sucks. - I'm guessing Merl's joining team Rick after he & Daryl escape. Working as the Governor's inside man of course. - While I like TV Michonne, comic book Michonne is more badass.
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Some things irked me about the midseason finale. For one, how the hell did Daryl get captured? He's been pretty much the badass since day one, and now he gets captured by some random militia wannabes? I'm guessing he just let them take him captive, but still. I'm also not really enjoying the whole "Lose a Black, get a Black" casting going on. I did like Tyreese in the books, though. I did appreciate him having a hammer. That's a little touch most people probably wouldn't get. Oh, and that short "So you're a lesbian" scene between Carol and Axel was funny. And then we've got the Governor. In the books he's a downright despicable individual, but on the show they seem to be trying to make him a sympathetic villain. My guess would be it was the censor's fault, since I kind of doubt they could even imply the deal between him and Penny. Worse still, now we gotta wait till February, and Comic Book Men gets moved to Thursday.
Oh, and Andrea continues to suck as mentioned. The TV writers must hate how awesome she is in the books.
Edited, Dec 3rd 2012 9:59am by lolgaxe
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I enjoyed the mid-season finale. Though in retrospect I'll admit I'm starting to feel disillusioned about The Walking Dead: Andrea is again being used for character development purposes, T-Dog #2/Oscar getting killed off and being replaced by Tyrese (seriously wtf man?! ), Michonne finally shows an emotion besides anger (for 10 seconds...),the Dixon brothers being reunited and Andrea staring there like a deer in the headlights (a mix of good and bad IMHO).
Other points I really enjoyed: Axel going @#%^bear, making a nod to the comic via Axel calling Carol a lesbian, the eye gouging, Rick losing his sh*t and seeing Shane, Carl slowing becoming more of a badass, Michonne realizing Andrea ain't her buddy no more and saying "You NEED me."
Overall it did a decent job as a mid-season finally but I'm certainly not looking at this show with the same glossy eyed enthusiam as I once did.
I was pretty happy overall with this episode, although Andrea is, in my opinion, getting drastically close to Lori-levels of dislike. Yes, her character has been neutered (or spayed) compared to the comic but it's more as to how the actress plays her. Just the way she delivers some of her lines. I like the actress but some of her mannerisms rub me wrong. Nothing that I can specifically point to. Maybe it's just me, though.
And how about Glen getting all badass? First taking out that zombie with a chair, then making a weapon out of it's arm! That was damn creative.
I'm still sticking with my Merle prediction. No way Rick will let him back in the group after what he did to Glen and Maggie. Not even as a hostage. I just can't see it happening.
Some things irked me about the midseason finale. For one, how the hell did Daryl get captured? He's been pretty much the badass since day one, and now he gets captured by some random militia wannabes? I'm guessing he just let them take him captive, but still. Worse still, now we gotta wait till February, and Comic Book Men gets moved to Thursday.
It makes sense. He was getting hemmed in on multiple sides by the gov's crew. They may not be sharpshots, but for him to try to get over the wall by himself where the rest of the team did over the bus would be a death sentence. It was either keep fighting and die or give up. He's a badass, but moreso he seems to be a survivalist.
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And then we've got the Governor. In the books he's a downright despicable individual, but on the show they seem to be trying to make him a sympathetic villain.
Ive never read the comics/books but... this governor just seems to be more realistic. Why would people follow him/trust woodbury if he was just a despot? It would be hard for his troops to hold all these people under duress without constant escape attempts and possible multiple mutinys.
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I enjoyed the mid-season finale. Though in retrospect I'll admit I'm starting to feel disillusioned about The Walking Dead: .....,the Dixon brothers being reunited and Andrea staring there like a deer in the headlights (a mix of good and bad IMHO).
What else could she do? I doubt she could have single-handedly saved Daryl while fighting off a bunch of angry latina woman and the gov's gun-toting force. Also, she had no idea why daryl was there except for the lies the gov told her/everyone. The scene clearly showed her confusion/questioning of what was going on, and that makes sense considering the situation and everything thats happened.
I did really enjoy seeing Michonne 'emote' this episode; the way she reacted to penny kind of tells that the young daughter/child 'hit close to home' for her, that maybe she experienced something like that in her past -ergo her wack attitude. That would help to explain her dead-inside wont-open-up-to-anyone demeanor.
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My guess would be it was the censor's fault, since I kind of doubt they could even imply the deal between him and Penny.
Eeeww, did they really go there in the comic books? Or is my mind just being extra dirty today?
As for the finale, I liked it. Had lots of action and good scenes. The thing with the black dudes is rather idiotic. They should just have let T-Dog live. And develope him as a real character. In my eyes, Andrea has surpassed Lori by being a douche extraordinaire and unbelievably naive and trusting when it comes to the Govenor while being so so quick to jump to conclusions when it comes to Michonne. It's not like Michonne saved her life, most likely multiple times, during the missing months between s2 and s3. I like what they are doing with Carl. In s2 I found him a tad annoying but now he seems years ahead of his age when it comes to maturity and decision making. I'd like it if he would display more emotions. Not much more. Just a tiny bit.
"The Rich are there to take all of the money & pay none of the taxes, the middle class is there to do all the work and pay all the taxes, and the poor are there to scare the crap out of the middle class." -George Carlin
As someone that's never read the comics and probably never will, I'm really happy with the direction the show is going. This season is much better than the first two. Also, I like that we all hate Andrea. Every show needs someone to hate. We hate Andrea and I think we're supposed to.
And in spite of myself, I'm starting to like Carl. Dammit.
Ive never read the comics/books but... this governor just seems to be more realistic. Why would people follow him/trust woodbury if he was just a despot?
He's really good at hiding it.
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Eeeww, did they really go there in the comic books? Or is my mind just being extra dirty today?
Yeah, it goes into extra detail in the "Rise of the Governor" mini.
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I saw this on IGN. It's some of the cast talking about the upcoming second half of this season. Not much is really revealed, mostly a re-hash of what's happened so far this year. I liked it just for the chance to hear Rick and the Governor's real voices. And Michonne smiles! Notice, there may be minor spoilers for anyone not caught up though. http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/12/11/the-walking-dead-cast-discuss-the-second-half-of-season-3
So, I fell like Kirkman's giving the finger to all the new fans of his comics, by going really dark. Especially if you read Invincible, where he breaks the fourth wall & basically tells you he is.
Still my two favorite comics atm, though.
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I think the comics have reached the point where they've outlived their fifteen minutes of fame, as it were. I think they should weed out the entire cast and start over on a new group.
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I think the comics have reached the point where they've outlived their fifteen minutes of fame, as it were. I think they should weed out the entire cast and start over on a new group.
I haven't read this month's yet, but it seems like thats what he's doing with the two (Not counting Carl) characters that have left since #100.
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Just bumping this to point out the show restarts this Sunday (Feb 10th) for anyone still interested, with an all day marathon before it. Hopefully a few of those questions I had from the finale are answered.
Edited, Feb 5th 2013 12:50pm by lolgaxe
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"We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary." — James D. Nicoll
Agreed. Although the Governor taking out the bitten woodbury guy is pretty much the most awesome thing he's done on screen thus far. Still hate TV Andrea, especially the Zombie Apocalypse MLK she became for a bit this episode.
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I'm really bummed to see Michonne going the way of Andrea. Awesome comic characters turning to garbage on tv. Andrea might be a lost cause but Michonne still has time to come around. She just needs To. Say. Some. Thing. This perma-pissed attitude is wearing thin.
I thought it was okay too. Hopefully they don't drag this whole Rick-goes-crazy thing out too long.
Can anybody explain to me why Andrea is still in Woodsbury even after everything that happened last episode? I mean an explanation other than 'She has a severe mental illness'. -.-
Do the comic book fans know if Daryl is coming back? Would hate if he would be gone for good.
Can anybody explain to me why Andrea is still in Woodsbury even after everything that happened last episode? I mean an explanation other than 'She has a severe mental illness'. -.-
Only explanation I've got is that the writers hate her.
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I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.