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I agree with HS.

Nore, it's not that easy to ignore the government. Sacrificing animals and people is regulated, and a lot of pagan groups fall under those rules.

I'm completely for ppl not having their religion restricted as long as it does not interfere with anyone else.



I understand that, but we are supposed to have separation of state and religion, yet realistically we don't. It's really hard to get into the details of it but human rights/morals and "what God wants or doesn't want" need to be separated.

As for the Barrack thing, yeah it's not fair that people voted against him because of his color, however just as many black ppl voted for him just because he was black. The whole problem isn't just the government, it's the retarded ass people too, but I feel the government has made the people more idiotic. Our education system is getting sh*ttier. We are becoming more and more hooked on ignorant shows that MTV makes. Most of all we are just starting to not give a sh*t about anything anymore, and it feels like the government is encouraging it and taking advantage of it.

On a side note for fun, a news radio show, idr which, went around asking ppl if they were gonna vote for obama and listed Mccains views as his, and all of the black ppl(it was done in a black area) said yes, they love his views and they love him. Don't get me wrong, they cud have reversed that just as easy for white ppl, and I personally hate Mccain.

Both candidates had problems, and I don't think their was a right choice to really make between the two. The only compliment I can give is that Obama had a great presence and sounded intelligent, unlike McCain. I just don't like the refusal to wear a simple american flag pin when ur running for f*cking PRESIDENT of AMERICA... did not care for the Flags in his office either.. which were not american.

I think if Obama wasn't a socialist from a radical, racist church and didn't do the things in the last paragraph I would have loved to vote for him. I however voted for neither one.

Sk, SK, SK.... I'm sorry to inform you that more than half of the stuff in that movie is bullsh*t.

Those numbers suck though. The christian number includes mormons, deists, and catholics, none of which are christian. It also lumps all of the hundreds of seperate sects as if they were all one single religion, even when half of the sects think fo the other half as horrible abominations. The islam number includes shia and sunni, who hate each other and disagree on a buttload of things as well.

Even the Atheist numbers don't include those who simply never admit it, or call themselves something else. (Or buddists, who have no god.) And for that matter it includes north korea as atheists when it's really dictator worship, like stalinism was.

It's an arguement from numbers though. The old "If all your friends jumped off a bidge, would you jump, too?" thing. Completely unimportant.

Christians are the majority in America, but that's insane. They're not one group, and almost every different group has a different message and set of beliefs. Heck, a bunch of them have different bibles. If the country was based on christian beliefs, which set?

Atheism does make up the largest minority in the country though. 14-17% depending on the study you look at. Bigger than blacks, hell bigger than jews, and they have a freaking anti-defamation league.


Okay, bah. Done with that stuff for now. Congrats on the hat HS.

Edited, Nov 10th 2008 8:45pm by louispv

You guys are good christians, I never said or meant to imply I didn't like them, or that they were exactly bad, just that a large majority are hypocrits and alot worse than atheists and alot of other religions. I was one since I was born up until about 15. I started church around 12. Maybe it was just my personal church that was so hypocritical and showed immense favoritism to anyone who payed more than they shud have to the church.

It seems like most feel their better than you because they believe in a higher power that is better than them.. seems kind of funny, and use their religion as a tool to correct u and tell u how u shud live ur life, instead of a tool to improve their own which is usually far worse.

I don't study or look up hard evidence of my claims, I just state my opinions, if i'm wrong feel free to correct me, it's apparent yall are a level above, idk where yall find time to study or learn most of the stuff though. Hell, I don't even work and I can't find the time. My brain only contains trivial knowledge of what i'm currently interested in aslong as it isn't complicated. I run off common sense, not intelligence/memmory. :(

As for suicide and drugs, i'm sure the suicide laws are to deter u from doing it, maybe more of a warning, and they will put u in an institution if u fail an attempt and they think u are unstable enough to do it again. As for drugs, I'm a pot smoker, not large amounts, just every now and then, i'm sure u cud tell or knew.. lol.

Anyway, banning weed is extremely ignorant when there's a worse drug(cigarettes) that are completely legal. To my knowledge though tobacco needs to be grown outside and isn't as easily hidden, which makes it easy to tax. While weed is wanted more and grown inside houses for free, much, much harder to tax. As for other drugs, cocaine, heroine all that sh*t will make u go crazy and u can actually harm others. Like, i'm sure you've seen someone on pcp before on Cops busting their heads through fences yelling at ppl lol.. I got your point though, it doesn't directly harm anyone, lot's of our laws are flawed and aslong as we have a republican mix system it will stay that way.

I'm a partial believer in buddhism, I love thier philosophy on how you should live ur life and treat other people. Don't believe in the multiple heavens though, that sh*t is awesome to read about. I guess i'm not a believer so much as an admirer, I haven't actually succeeded in living like them.. i'm an ass and always will be. >_> I blame the times we live in.

Idr what I was typing when I was gonna add mormons into it, but I erased the paragraph to save me looking retarded, but still wanted to point out I have a strong disliking for mormons. <_<

I miss smelly hippies.

Back to Game:

Yeah we popped 7 belts, I had one for ely incase his didn't drop, but it did so I have mine to char. 6/7 on drops and I alrdy had mine so we all walked away with a belt. The only time I seen that happen on any popped event. Someone we didn't know came with us, and got it, I don't like helping ppl idk, but it was a chick with boobs, so i'll let it slide.

What's a good 52 camp? I need places to solo while ely is at work. God i'm a loser I should be working too. I can't wait to fight bombs. D:

Good discussion :D

Now let's discuss Charybdis ToD and the ability of a NIN, BRD, and COR to trio it.

Ask the hitler youth... I mean Pope. According to him, protestants aren't christians. So either the protestants aren't christians, or catholics aren't christians, since they don't lump themselves together, ever. Plus, catholicism has become a polytheistic religion, something almost all protestants hate about them. (least the ones down here in the ignorant south.)



Suicide and drugs have no logical basis for being illegal, along with prostitution. The only justification is religion says they should be. Get rid of suicide laws, and we will have doctors able to do it cleanly, safely, and painlessly. Ever met someone who tried to kill themselves and failed? Jumped off a building that wasn't high enough? Almost overdosed? Shot themselves but missed the right part of the brain? Not pretty, not happy, and not cheap for their families, either. Plus, if it's legal, the suicidal would receive counciling and help before they could do it, which I'm sure would lower the number to start with.

"Drugs are bad" is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. Many are harmless, literally. Weed has no negative side effects, except lowered fertility. (Which is entirely undone with no permanent damage 4-6 months after you stop smoking.) Slightly impaired response time means you shouldn't be driving, but you shouldn't be driving drunk, either. (Plus, an accident at 15 mph while high is a lot better than a drunk driving accident at 60 mph.) Halucinogenic mushrooms have no negative side effects. Don't operate heavy machinery while your steering wheel may become a giant eye, but that should be obvious. And both of those are impossible to overdose on, because you'd need to ingest a pile of either roughly the size of of a volkswagon.

And even the ones that have negative side effects aren't much worse than what alcohol and tobacco do to you. Most of the deaths and health problems not related to addictive use that happen are due to the unregulated nature of drugs. If they were legal and regulated by the FDA, there'd be a massive decline in deaths due to contaminated drugs or overdose. Look at legal prostitution in nevada. Drug abuse, way down, violence, almost non existant (since the police protect rather than arrest prostitures) STDs, almost non existant. (since the employers provide protection, weekly tests, and fantastic health insurance) Do you know how much of our tax money comes from tobacco and alcohol taxes? Imagine how much good all the cocaine, canabis, and mushroom taxes would do. And how much money we wouldn't waste arresting drug dealers, raiding south american countries, imprisoning the college kid with the dime bag, or the lives lost in the DEA every year.



Well, I could bring up how unpacifist he sometimes was. Such as when he saw people loaning money in the temple, J went home (not pick a stick off the street, didn't take one of the apostle's swords, no he premeditated it.) made a scourge (a whip with pieces of jagged metal or sharp stones for ripping) came back, and used it on the lenders. Or where he tells people who believe in him to sell everything they own and give it to the poor. My pastor's new mustang seemingly disagreed. But if we get into holy books we could keep going for years. Frankly this isn't the place for this kind of conversation anyway, I don't want to make you think of this crap when playing a game.



The reason religion and government have to be seperate (besides not everyone being the same religion) is that while there are good people like you who believe that, if not most, then at least a large chunk of religious people (any religious people) do not feel that way. Almost every christian down here in the south, and seemingly every religious person with any authority (Hagert, hagee, falwell, robertson, bush, most popes including the current one, Bin Laden, any head of islam, etc.) are the most hate filled, greedy, amoral bastards you will ever meet. And they lead the rest of the religious to do horrible amoral things, because "God/The Bible/The Koran/Koresh/Book of mormon, says to!" And they get away with it, and get people to follow them, because it's religion.

If everyone in religion were the idealic, happy, peaceful epeople they claim to be (and I'm sure you are) then religion in the government, backed up by logic (stupid stuff like, "No eating anything not kosher" wouldn't be made laws) wouldn't be bad. But unfortunately, that's not human nature. And since it's not, and religion, just like polical party, philosophy, nationalism, and ethnic background do far more harm than good, Religion has to stay out of government for the good of mankind.

Anyway, yeah. 7 swift belt pops, 6 swift belts. The 6 that dropped were all in new moon, the one that didn't, wasn't. Seems like new moon's the time for swift belts.

HS, I'll come help ya with Charybdis if I'm told the time beforehand. Snarl ought to be helpful, and I can hold it for quite some time. (RDM/BST is supposed to be able to solo it, so I'm sure BST/WHM can keep it busy.)

Edited, Nov 11th 2008 10:49pm by louispv

Yes, have to redo weapon.

I'm gonna vote for Brenden for dictator, but it really doesn't matter because dictators don't care what I think!

Louis -
[quote = "John Chapter 2"]13When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14In the temple courts he found men selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. 15So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. 16To those who sold doves he said, "Get these out of here! How dare you turn my Father's house into a market!"[/quote]

Sounds to me like he whipped the livestock and told the merchants to gtfo. Could have been the other way around, but it doesn't sound that way to me. Let the passage speak to you however it my, but I didn't really get the Indiana Jones feeling.

Got MNK to 52. Who wants to lvl sync?

Edit quote thing didn't work... w/e

Edited, Nov 12th 2008 10:20am by Bigbangshot

Edited, Nov 12th 2008 10:21am by Bigbangshot

MNK is 55 now. Too easy.

I want to do that very very much. How are we going to make that happen? I don't even see many people online anymore.

We're up to 3 now, sweet. Maybe we'll have to recruit some merc blms. I don't think the bc is all that hard with a decent crew.

I'm 5k to 58 now. I think the only gear I need to pickup are kick boots. lvl sync is awesome.

Didn't know you had an e. body...

kclub? :3

(30mil, falls under your cutoff for expensive sh*t :P)

Unless you were using Orich./Triton's Scythe before, you shouldn't be able to feasibly tell a difference in ws damage...

Simon Pegg

Got COR to 56. I @#%^ing love Merc. Kris/slugshot combo. When a support job outdoes a DD, it's so much fun. All I need is a few more levels so I can actually use slugshot at 100 tp instead of 150. (better gear coming up.)

Yeah... Why does every melee wear STR rings now? The 12? extra acc or so you get from using a 2 handed weapon is not nearly enough to let you be completely devoid of ACC+ gear.

I do like "My Axe is my Buddy" because I saw a video of a guttler set to it.

I wish there was more than 4 guttlers ever finished. (and how many of those left when some guy quit?) One man who had one said his rampages averaged 900 with it, and in the same gear the relic specific WS did the same damage. We then never heard from him again. That's saddening, since reworking the gear for the WS, (which has a 60% DEX mod with no STR mod, and less acc gear since it's single hit.) the relic WS+ temperence offhand could make BST a beast! If only there was anyone who spoke english who could freaking test it!

Louis, TPing in STR rings is still mildly retarded. Over in the SAM forums it was discovered that 1-hit weapon skills get an amazing accuracy bonus that practically guarantees the hit, even in low accuracy situations. So, Macro in those STR rings! (Just don't melee with them).

I only melee in STR rings when I'm farming or fighting EP, because my accuracy is probably capped, and STR will make my swings hit ever so slightly harder. Nitpicky, but true all the same.

BBS, you don't want me on 75 COR, too? :p

No, the question was, "Why does every melee level in STR rings?"

I have yet from 1-56 COR seen anyone wearing acc+ rings. And only 2 so far have had acc+ in any slot at all. (both of which were haubies sadly, which don't give any acc+ at those levels.) Thank god for COR's stupid strong buffs, is all I'm saying.

I'd probably use it on DNC. I'm MUCH more interested in an enkidu's harness.

Bastok has Grauberg this week, so I'm sure we'll find out soon enough.

Go away.

only thing the mantle is good for is thf and maybe drg. I would rather have 15atk than 5acc in my back slot personally. Even on thf they lack atk, so it would prolly be better to tp in ame+1/foragers and just ws in Culu mantle.

What I would want is a Cerb+1, but don't wanna spend the gil it cost, since it's not really worth it for 1str.

You have that a little backwards.

Attack always modifies pdif. ALWAYS. There is no hard cap for it, and because of how the math is done, there's not even an appreciable diminishing return until somewhere in the 850-900 range, which is impossible to reach naturally.

Accuracy, on the other hand, caps at 95%; once you reach that point, all accuracy beyond what you needed to hit that is completely wasted.


Chuchulain's Mantle increases base dmg by 1, 100% of the time, on account of 4 STR, raising total damage about 1-2% (it's closer to 2 the lower the base dmg of your weapon, to get an exact figure just calculate [100*(DMG+1-DMG)/DMG] based on your weapon and you'll get the actual percent change); it also adds 2 Attack (3.3 if 2h), which gives about .1% extra total damage, and 5 raw accuracy plus 2-4 DEX accuracy, for another (and here's the killer) 3-6% total damage if not already acc capped.

Total net gain ends up being about 5% overall, average. If you cap accuracy though it'll be closer to 1.2-1.9999999%, the latter being absolute best case.


Meanwhile, a Forager's Mantle gives you that 1 base dmg 75% of the time depending on your current STR value, and a total of 16 attack (maybe 17 if 2h). For a D60 weapon, that 1 base dmg is 1.6% increase, or 1.2% if you "average" the increase based on the "75% of the time". 16-17 attack is about .5% increase, so you get about a 2% increase overall there, but that's all you'll *ever* get. If it's an Amemet +1, that drops to about 1.7% overall increase since it only has 2 STR.

Chuchulain's is definitely better, but only if you don't cap accuracy (which really *doesn't* happen that much if you're not eating sushi). It can also allow you to drop full on accuracy pieces elsewhere in favor of more haste, Store TP, dual wield, etc., and can let you eat meat more often in more camps, especially as a 1h.

Certainly not at the top of my list of buys, but it's a good piece.

All math is done assuming 400 attack and a L81 G.Colibri w/ 300 Defense.

Edit: I should add that the value in a Amemet +1 (and why a Forager's is kinda meh) is because of the level you can use it at. As you start dropping attack lower, that 16 becomes a lot more valuable (though this is partly due to mob defense actually being lower too; it's odd but 200 and 400 attack both give you the same percent-delta if compared vs 300 Defense...lower that to 200 though, and it shoots up to about .8% total damage increase). It's one of the reasons okote are such a big deal, as well; they start off strong, and still perform quite well with very little diminished gain even at 75.

Edited, Nov 21st 2008 3:03pm by Norellicus

Yeah, this is a complicated issue for me. I have a 15% haste setup. But, I need AF+1 pants to have enough store TP to make it work. Shinimusha are useless other than the Store TP; at least AF+1 has 5 STR, too.

The thing with a haste setup is it isn't particularly effective in situations where: 1) you only have 15% haste 2) mob evasion is relatively high (<80% hit rate) More often than not, I find myself un-hasted, un-marched, with Seigan up. I am fully aware of the potential of a complete haste setup...I just don't have it. Usukane (as I have stated before) would change the way I gear myself tremendously. Seeing as how I don't do Salvage but once a month (maybe), I'm not going to bank on that anytime soon.

Attack is nice if it takes you out of the 1.0 pDIF range or shifts you higher, otherwise it's a waste. I know accuracy caps at 95%, which is why I have geared myself to be near that cap so I can focus everywhere else on attack to make it useful.

Point is that on NIN, my accuracy is lame without sushi. Moar plz. Swapping amemet +1 for Cuchulain's is an easy +7 Accuracy in a much needed spot, so I can retain my 15% haste. If I had Haidate, it would be wonderful in many ways.

On my SAM, it's near perfect for merits, so I can load up on other stuff. If I go haste, then I trade 15 Acc for 15% haste. If I had Usukane feet and Byakko's Haidate, I'd gain 3 accuracy AND 19% haste. Much preferable. Much less attainable.

Meh...I think I'm in burnout mode. Right now I feel like deleting my character after I finish getting Captain. This game doesn't play in my favor.