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#1 Jan 28 2013 at 3:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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The Boy Scouts of America is considering changing its longstanding policy against allowing openly gay members, according to a release from the organization.

The organization, which has 2.7 million members, is "potentially discussing" doing away with its policy after months of nationwide protest, including hundreds of angry Eagle scouts renouncing their hard-earned awards and mailing back their red-white-and-blue medals.

Many parents of Scouts across America found the national policy excluding gays confusing -- and at odds with basic scouting ideals.

This comes on the tail of me ordering Girl Scout cookies the other week amidst Facebook warnings that doing so was essentially financing some Sapphic pedophilia coven. Still, you know, what's the virtue of a few young maidens when weighed against me eating Thin Mints?

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Dave Kochel, a veteran Iowa Republican strategist and 2012 Romney Iowa Campaign Senior Adviser, is now behind a new effort that could prove controversial with some Republican activists.

Kochel helped to organize an event for the Iowa Republicans for Freedom. Monday, January 28th, the group will sponsor an event with Ken Mehlman, a former Republican National Committee Chairman and key adviser to former President George W Bush.
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No Republican presidential candidates came out in favor of same-sex marriages during the 2012 cycle, including Romney, Kochel’s candidate. But Kochel now admits, “The culture wars are over. And the Republicans, largely, lost.”
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The Boy Scouts of America is considering changing its longstanding policy against allowing openly gay members, according to a release from the organization.


That'll totally make up for the decades of hiding child sexual abuse by their leaders on epic scale normally reserved for men in dresses and funny hats.
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Smiley: confused


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I'm sure the Jesus Scouts will have a banner year of recruitment as everyone clamors to get away from the heathens.
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Smiley: confused


They teach little girls to grow up and experiment with their roommates in college Smiley: schooled

(At least, that's how we always imagined the sorority houses' nights were...)
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According to the Guardian, this is 'breaking news'.

Is it, though? Is it really?
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Are there actually Jesus Scouts?
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#9 Jan 28 2013 at 4:18 PM Rating: Excellent
Nice to see the world slowly turn to sanity Smiley: smile

Reading this, I came away thinking Smiley: cool when I read

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President Barack Obama -- the honorary head of the Scouts, as is every president -- supports gay and lesbians in Girl and Boy Scouts, as does former Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney, a Mormon.


As buff as Obama is, he cannot compete with Bear Grylls. In this one case, UK>US Smiley: wink
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According to the Guardian, this is 'breaking news'.

Is it, though? Is it really?

Well, it's news. This is the organization that went to the Supreme Court to defend its right to exclude homosexuals. Whether or not it's "breaking" is a matter for debate, I suppose.
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According to the Guardian, this is 'breaking news'.

Is it, though? Is it really?

Well, it's news. This is the organization that went to the Supreme Court to defend its right to exclude homosexuals. Whether or not it's "breaking" is a matter for debate, I suppose.


I don't resent it being reported or discussed. I don't think considering a policy change has the urgent character of breaking news, though, no.

A bit tangential, perhaps.

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Smiley: confused


NAWGLA doesn't quite have the same ring to it.
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I had a girl scout (and her father) come by the house Sunday selling cookies. I had to scrounge change for $3.50 so I could purchase a box of thin mints, which lasted about 8 minutes after I opened them. I then got frustrated and jumped in the car to hit the ATM for more cash. Once I returned to the neighborhood I spent the next 15 minutes driving around looking for a little blonde girl pulling a wagon around so I could get another fix. I then realized what I was doing was a little creepy, and sad, so I admitted defeat and went back home to sulk.

The Boy Scouts never made me feel this way.
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I had a girl scout (and her father) come by the house Sunday selling cookies. I had to scrounge change for $3.50 so I could purchase a box of thin mints, which lasted about 8 minutes after I opened them. I then got frustrated and jumped in the car to hit the ATM for more cash. Once I returned to the neighborhood I spent the next 15 minutes driving around looking for a little blonde girl pulling a wagon around so I could get another fix. I then realized what I was doing was a little creepy, and sad, so I admitted defeat and went back home to sulk.

The Boy Scouts never made me feel this way.


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I had a girl scout (and her father) come by the house Sunday selling cookies. I had to scrounge change for $3.50 so I could purchase a box of thin mints, which lasted about 8 minutes after I opened them. I then got frustrated and jumped in the car to hit the ATM for more cash. Once I returned to the neighborhood I spent the next 15 minutes driving around looking for a little blonde girl pulling a wagon around so I could get another fix. I then realized what I was doing was a little creepy, and sad, so I admitted defeat and went back home to sulk.

The Boy Scouts never made me feel this way.


That's because Cookies kick the ever loving shit out of popcorn. I was always jealous of the cash my sisters could pull in, back in the day.
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I don't resent it being reported or discussed. I don't think considering a policy change has the urgent character of breaking news, though, no.

You're wrong. When the Catholic Church considers allowing women or married men, or basically anyone who isn't a mincing boy hungry pederast into the clergy, that'll be news too.
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My cookie-dealers are currently a pair of twins. I have to double-down on Thin mints and Tag-Alongs.

FOUR bucks a box this year in my neck of the woods. Smiley: frown

It's nice to see the boyscouts organization capitulating to modern humanity. Now they need to just need to dump the popcorn sales for something less healthy and more addictive.

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I had a girl scout (and her father) come by the house Sunday selling cookies. I had to scrounge change for $3.50 so I could purchase a box of thin mints, which lasted about 8 minutes after I opened them. I then got frustrated and jumped in the car to hit the ATM for more cash. Once I returned to the neighborhood I spent the next 15 minutes driving around looking for a little blonde girl pulling a wagon around so I could get another fix. I then realized what I was doing was a little creepy, and sad, so I admitted defeat and went back home to sulk.

The Boy Scouts never made me feel this way.
That's because Cookies kick the ever loving shit out of popcorn. I was always jealous of the cash my sisters could pull in, back in the day.
Popcorn don't come in Thin Mints.
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It's nice to see the boyscouts organization capitulating to modern humanity. Now they need to just need to dump the popcorn sales for something less healthy and more addictive.

I'm thinking some sort of chocolate covered biscuit or cracker.
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You guys are idiots. Dollar General sells generic girl scout cookies for half the price, tastes the same, and you can pick up a dozen boxes whenever you are feeling piggish.
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Girl Scout Cookies being seasonal is part of my diet.
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You guys are idiots. Dollar General sells generic girl scout cookies for half the price, tastes the same, and you can pick up a dozen boxes whenever you are feeling piggish.


Dom Perignon loses it's luster when you drink it out of a dirty shoe.
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You guys are idiots. Dollar General sells generic girl scout cookies for half the price, tastes the same, and you can pick up a dozen boxes whenever you are feeling piggish.


Dom Perignon loses it's luster when you drink it out of a dirty shoe.


Not unless you have a shoe fetish.
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You guys are idiots. Dollar General sells generic girl scout cookies for half the price, tastes the same, and you can pick up a dozen boxes whenever you are feeling piggish.

Unless Dollar General is going to turn my little eight year old missy into a lesbian, I don't see the point.
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Dom Perignon loses it's luster when you drink it out of a dirty shoe.

Because of the taste of the deal skin cells and foot oils in it, or because it makes it harder to maintain the illusion of being able to purchase sophistication?
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Because artificial scarcity drives desire. Like with diamonds. And McRibs.
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Blood Cookies,starring Leonardo DiCaprio.
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Because artificial scarcity drives desire. Like with diamonds. And McRibs.
I don't care how scarce McRibs may seem to be, they're fucking gross!
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Blood Cookies,starring Leonardo DiCaprio.

You can't be King of the the World without a thin mint.
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Popcorn don't come in Thin Mints.


Neither do girl scouts.
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Popcorn don't come in Thin Mints.


Neither do girl scouts.


And Public Health thanks them for that.
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Those Dollar General generics don't send girls to summer camp for free, either. Cookie Bucks paid part or all of my overnight GS camp experiences - my parents probably couldn't have afforded it otherwise.

Back when I was in Girl Scouts, we had permission from the post general to sell in front of the PX and the commissary on Fort Gordon. (It was always a ritual - send the cutest Brownie and Junior to his office to get written permission for the troop.)

I think our troop was consistently one of the top 100 in sales in the country. Smiley: lol

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-shrug- I didn't buy thin mints with the intent of helping girl scouts go to camp when I used to buy their cookies. I might as well save some bucks and get what I want out of it. Interesting side note from this website.

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Selling cookies is a major fundraiser for Girl Scout councils. Seventy percent of the money stays within the local council, and the remaining 30 percent goes to the bakery. From the 70 percent the council receives, each troop receives funding, typically 12 to 17 percent of the amount that they sell. The money goes into its treasury, and the girls vote to determine how it should be spent. Selling Girl Scout cookies is an important part of the scouting experience. The girls learn how to set goals, money management and teamwork skills by participating in this project.


So if a box of girl scout thin mints costs you $3.50 the girl that sells it is really only making .42 - .60 a box. A box of Dollar General thin mints costs about $2.00. If you truly wanted to help girl scouts and get your fix, buy some thin mints at Dollar General and give the difference in money directly to the scouts.
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-shrug- I didn't buy thin mints with the intent of helping girl scouts go to camp when I used to buy their cookies. I might as well save some bucks and get what I want out of it. Interesting side note from this website.

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Selling cookies is a major fundraiser for Girl Scout councils. Seventy percent of the money stays within the local council, and the remaining 30 percent goes to the bakery. From the 70 percent the council receives, each troop receives funding, typically 12 to 17 percent of the amount that they sell. The money goes into its treasury, and the girls vote to determine how it should be spent. Selling Girl Scout cookies is an important part of the scouting experience. The girls learn how to set goals, money management and teamwork skills by participating in this project.


So if a box of girl scout thin mints costs you $3.50 the girl that sells it is really only making .42 - .60 a box. A box of Dollar General thin mints costs about $2.00. If you truly wanted to help girl scouts and get your fix, buy some thin mints at Dollar General and give the difference in money directly to the scouts.

Doesn't everything cost a dollar at the dollar store?
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Selling cookies is a major fundraiser for Girl Scout councils. Seventy percent of the money stays within the local council, and the remaining 30 percent goes to the bakery. From the 70 percent the council receives, each troop receives funding, typically 12 to 17 percent of the amount that they sell. The money goes into its treasury, and the girls vote to determine how it should be spent. Selling Girl Scout cookies is an important part of the scouting experience. The girls learn how to set goals, money management and teamwork skills by participating in this project.

So if a box of girl scout thin mints costs you $3.50 the girl that sells it is really only making .42 - .60 a box. A box of Dollar General thin mints costs about $2.00. If you truly wanted to help girl scouts and get your fix, buy some thin mints at Dollar General and give the difference in money directly to the scouts.

If a box of Thin Mints runs $3.50, $2.45 goes to the local council and is distributed among troops and also finances administrative fees and other larger-scale operations beyond the troop level including owning/leasing and maintaining camp sites.

Last time I mathed, $2.45 was a larger number than the difference of $3.50 minus $2.00.

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If a box of Thin Mints runs $3.50, $2.45 goes to the local council and is distributed among troops and also finances administrative fees and other larger-scale operations beyond the troop level including owning/leasing and maintaining camp sites.

Last time I mathed, $2.45 was a larger number than the difference of $3.50 minus $2.00.

Edited, Jan 29th 2013 1:14pm by Jophiel


The question still lies on how much actually affects the girl scout you are buying cookies from and how much doesn't. I find it quite hard to believe that all the money helps said child in one way or another.

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You are thinking of the Dollar Tree.
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If a box of Thin Mints runs $3.50, $2.45 goes to the local council and is distributed among troops and also finances administrative fees and other larger-scale operations beyond the troop level including owning/leasing and maintaining camp sites.

Last time I mathed, $2.45 was a larger number than the difference of $3.50 minus $2.00.


The question still lies on how much actually affects the girl scout you are buying cookies from and how much doesn't. I find it quite hard to believe that all the money helps said child in one way or another.

So you only care about the single girl scout who's at your door? I can't speak for the overall effectiveness of the cookie scheme, but distributing the money amongst the council is a better idea, especially assuming that some girls live in areas where they are not going to make a lot of sales.
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If a box of Thin Mints runs $3.50, $2.45 goes to the local council and is distributed among troops and also finances administrative fees and other larger-scale operations beyond the troop level including owning/leasing and maintaining camp sites.

Last time I mathed, $2.45 was a larger number than the difference of $3.50 minus $2.00.

Edited, Jan 29th 2013 1:14pm by Jophiel


The question still lies on how much actually affects the girl scout you are buying cookies from and how much doesn't. I find it quite hard to believe that all the money helps said child in one way or another.

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Doesn't everything cost a dollar at the dollar store?


You are thinking of the Dollar Tree.

Oh. Well if you can get that box of cookies down to a buck (and insure they're still packaged in shiny silver tubes and taste, look, feel, and smell exactly like GS thin mints) you could be on to something BIG.
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The question still lies on how much actually affects the girl scout you are buying cookies from and how much doesn't. I find it quite hard to believe that all the money helps said child in one way or another.

Well, no. I'm paying to support the organization, not just one waif on my doorstep. Otherwise I'd just push a quarter and a crust of bread into her hand and send her on her way.
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If a box of Thin Mints runs $3.50, $2.45 goes to the local council and is distributed among troops and also finances administrative fees and other larger-scale operations beyond the troop level including owning/leasing and maintaining camp sites.

Last time I mathed, $2.45 was a larger number than the difference of $3.50 minus $2.00.


The question still lies on how much actually affects the girl scout you are buying cookies from and how much doesn't. I find it quite hard to believe that all the money helps said child in one way or another.

So you only care about the single girl scout who's at your door? I can't speak for the overall effectiveness of the cookie scheme, but distributing the money amongst the council is a better idea, especially assuming that some girls live in areas where they are not going to make a lot of sales.


Nope, I care for said troop. You are delusional if you think money raised from one troupe is going to benefit one that didn't sell beans. The one that didn't sell cookies are going to have to work with a very small budget with zero help from the council. What I find even more lulz worthy is the following.

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Stuff that Girl Scout councils do:
- Manage and organize the business aspect of the GS
- Manage and organize troops within their distrct
- Provide need-based dues assistance for girls in poverty
- Subsidize camp (and they still pay their counselors primarily in hugs and character building. I made $2.00 an hour or so when I was a counselor.)
- Create council-wide events, such as World Day. (This often involves renting out large fields, giant tents, etc)

Councils usually have a staff of 2-3 salaried people managing the business of 20-30 troops. Most girls do have to pay weekly dues, usually $5 a week, but girls whose parents cannot afford the dues are generally not turned away (that need-based assistance thing.) The dues stay directly within the troop, and go to cover the cost of arts and crafts, badges, food and snacks, facilities rental (if needed.) All troop leaders are volunteers, as are the assistants and the "cookie moms" (my mother held this role. During cookie season, our living room became a warehouse.)

So the 70% of funds stay within the council may not necessarily help the girl at your door directly, but it's helping her, her troop, and the people who manage her troop. Just like any business, really.
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Nope, I care for said troop. You are delusional if you think money raised from one troupe is going to benefit one that didn't sell beans.

Huh? Most of the money goes to the Council which oversees multiple troops. What do you think they're doing with it, exactly?
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Nope, I care for said troop. You are delusional if you think money raised from one troupe is going to benefit one that didn't sell beans.

Huh? Most of the money goes to the Council which oversees multiple troops. What do you think they're doing with it, exactly?


Purchasing motel rooms in remote locations.
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#48 Jan 29 2013 at 5:30 PM Rating: Default
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Jophiel wrote:
Criminy wrote:
Nope, I care for said troop. You are delusional if you think money raised from one troupe is going to benefit one that didn't sell beans.

Huh? Most of the money goes to the Council which oversees multiple troops. What do you think they're doing with it, exactly?


To line the pockets of a select few. But of course I forget posters here love to wank corporates in order to give the illusion that they are helping those in need when in reality they are only pleasuring a select few.

Edited, Jan 29th 2013 6:32pm by Criminy
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#49 Jan 29 2013 at 5:31 PM Rating: Good
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Corporate Cheese is bad. Government Cheese is bad...

What cheese can we have and make you people happy!?!
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#50 Jan 29 2013 at 6:45 PM Rating: Decent
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TirithRR wrote:
What cheese can we have and make you people happy!?!


Limburger.
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#51 Jan 29 2013 at 6:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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Criminy wrote:
I forget posters here love to wank corporates

Oh, yeah. National past time around here Smiley: laugh
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