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#1 Jan 25 2013 at 8:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm too lazy to find a story to link but there's a couple class action lawsuits being filed right now against Subway. It seems that those "foot long" sandwiches are more like 10.5 inches long. I was listening to some hosts interview one of the lawyers filing the case and taking phone calls and they seemed a little surprised at the reaction. While they agreed the outcome of the lawsuit would be the standard "Lawyers get $3 million, rest of you get a nickle and a coupon each", they also noted that it really wasn't much different from buying a carton of a dozen eggs and the store only puts eleven in per carton. Whenever they'd ask someone "So should a company be able to short you nine or ten percent versus what's on the package?", the caller would hem and haw and then just say this suit was dumb.

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I vote fool's playground because Subway never mentioned which King's foot they were using for the measurement.
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This same suit was filed earlier in Australia and Subway made a brief show of trying to say "Well, 'Foot long' is just a trademark and doesn't mean anything" ("Foot long: Not intended to be a factual statement") but dropped that line of defense fairly quickly.

The guy on the radio said the suit included compilations of Subway ads with people holding their hands apart with a dotted line and the words "one foot" between them.
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This same suit was filed earlier in Australia and Subway made a brief show of trying to say "Well, 'Foot long' is just a trademark and doesn't mean anything" ("Foot long: Not intended to be a factual statement") but dropped that line of defense fairly quickly.

The guy on the radio said the suit included compilations of Subway ads with people holding their hands apart with a dotted line and the words "one foot" between them.


Yeah, it seems like Subway built up a mountain of evidence against themselves - I couldn't believe they even tried the "it's not intended to suggest that the subs are one foot long" defense.

If the actual sizes are well documented, then this should go forward, and it should win handily. I'm not up in arms about it, but false advertisement is a no-no.


As an aside, can I sue Quiznos for getting rid of the Club Carved Turkey? I miss that sandwich.
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What I suspect is that the little loaf pans that the bread is supposed to be baked in are 12 inches long, but the bread contracts as it cools and thus sheds the extra inch and a half by the time the sandwich is actually ready for consumption.

If that's the case, I'm going with the fool's playground.
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Now I kind of want some Subway...
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My foot doesn't even reach nine inches so I'm getting a deal.

Subway for lunch!
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I seem to recall some deal being made about the foot-long hotdogs being sold at the MN state fair one year long ago not being a foot long. I think the dogs shrank on cooking.
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What I suspect is that the little loaf pans that the bread is supposed to be baked in are 12 inches long, but the bread contracts as it cools and thus sheds the extra inch and a half by the time the sandwich is actually ready for consumption.

Wow, that's some serious Gabji level suspicion right there. I suspect they had a small and a large and someone in marketing decided "footlong" sold better, and it wasn't worth the effort to restock everything to make them actually a foot.
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Settle out of court for something that makes the lawyers some money but doesn't hurt the bottom line. Slap a sticker on the bag that says "bread length may vary." Move on with life.

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Wow, that's some serious Gabji level suspicion right there. I suspect they had a small and a large and someone in marketing decided "footlong" sold better, and it wasn't worth the effort to restock everything to make them actually a foot.


That's possible too, but the way Subway does their bread is that the frozen dough is shipped to stores in logs, it's baked on site, and then set into a crisper until it's time to be made into a sandwich. The baking loaf pans have a groove where the bread sits to keep it nice and rounded on the sides. I'd bet you a sandwich that groove is 12 inches long.

Also, bread shrinks as it cools. It just does. That's physics - the steam escaping means less total volume of the loaf, and all matter except for water contracts as it cools. Considering the elongated nature of the sub sandwich, it's entirely possible that a foot long baguette is shedding over an inch from 350F to room temperature.

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When I get a footlong from Subway, it usually has some meat sticking out 1/2 inch on either side. Do they include that? Footlong hot dogs usually stick out beyond their bun also.

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Is this a standard action in misrepresentation? Or is it under some kind of consumer protection legislation?
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When I get a foot long from Subway, I'm invariably disappointed because they make shitty sandwiches.
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When I get a foot long from Subway, I'm invariably disappointed because they make shitty sandwiches.


All of their sandwiches can be improved with a bit of ketchup and sriracha.
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Settle out of court for something that makes the lawyers some money but doesn't hurt the bottom line. Slap a sticker on the bag that says "bread length may vary." Move on with life.


5.

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5 Dollar Footlooooooonnnnggggg....nominal, 10.5" actual.

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Is this a standard action in misrepresentation? Or is it under some kind of consumer protection legislation?

Both. The foot-long title is a misrepresentation of the dimensions of the subway sandwich. This misinformation could lead to the consumer making faulty choices that could adversely impact their health or economic well-being.

My doctor says I have to have precisely 24 inches a week. Am I expected to have to keep a ruler in pocket?

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My doctor says I have to have precisely 24 inches a week. Am I expected to have to keep a ruler in pocket?


Well, it'll help you get a few of the requisite inches (7-10"...your mileage may vary), but I'd think that a ruler's sharp edges would be a little rough on that particular pocket.
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Settle out of court for something that makes the lawyers some money but doesn't hurt the bottom line. Slap a sticker on the bag that says "bread length may vary." Move on with life.


5.

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5 Dollar Footlooooooonnnnggggg....nominal, 10.5" actual.

It's c-c-catching onnnnnnnnnn.....

If we'd gone metric when we were supposed to we'd be sharing meterlongs by now.

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When I get a foot long from Subway, I'm invariably disappointed because they make shitty sandwiches.

It's 5/7ths as good as a Jimmy Johns or Panera sandwich, and it's 5/7ths the cost. Works out.
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Yeah, but it's not as though I can buy another 2/7ths and have it make 7/7ths of good sandwich. I just wind up with that much more sub-par eating to get through.
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? You keep buying food until you've reached a set dollar amount, and then are compelled to eat the entirety of that food?

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I was riffing off your 5/7ths remark. Don't over think it.
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? You keep buying food until you've reached a set dollar amount, and then are compelled to eat the entirety of that food?

Sounds like any household on a budget. Smiley: wink
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? You keep buying food until you've reached a set dollar amount, and then are compelled to eat the entirety of that food?
Sounds like any household on a budget. Smiley: wink

I'm a liberal. It's not as though I can hoard these food stamps under my pillow.
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Sounds like any household on a budget. Smiley: wink

I'm a liberal. It's not as though I can hoard these food stamps under my pillow.

We all know how terrible you liberals are a budgeting your food stamps. You'd have more to eat if you just wouldn't spend them all. Smiley: disappointed
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...spend?

Shit, I've been eating these things!
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That's okay, it's completely understandable.

Still, this is exactly why we need more funding for programs educating under-privileged children. Smiley: motz

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...spend?

Shit, I've been eating these things!

Must have been quite the crash diet when they switched to the card system.
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I was riffing off your 5/7ths remark. Don't over think it.


Thats almost 2 whole centimeters!
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I'm the odd bird who actually likes Subway sandwiches Smiley: frown Not that I think they're AMAZING (favorite sandwiches so far: Hogan's subs in Gainesville. Oh man, those things are PHENOMENAL), but for the price you get a reasonably filling meal, customized as you like, with tons of different options.

Personally I usually take
Footlong Wheat
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-Lettuce
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-Jalapeño peppers
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... now I'm hungry Smiley: drool

Edit: Oh, and it's only 600 calories for all that. So that's spiffy too!

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you guys get black forest ham? Our ham up here looks scary.
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Schlotzskys or bust.

A quarter pound hamburger doesn't weigh a quarter of a pound by the time it's served, either.

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I'm in favor of a system where everyone who enters the restaraunt just hands the sandwich maker their shoes and they use that to decide the final sandwich length. If the TSA can do it, its good enough for me!
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And how many years has it been since Subway started? People are just now catching on that the subs aren't a foot long? This whole thing is silly.
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Yeah. Subway is pretty much at the bottom of my sandwich choices as well. They're just "meh" IMO. Cheap, I suppose, but there are other sub shops that are similarly cheap. There's a place called Submarina around here that is about the same cost as Subway but vastly better in quality. Togos is also better in every definable way possible. Quiznos is good but expensive. And that's without getting into the huge variety of actual delis with actual nom nom sandwiches, usually made by people who actually know what they're doing.

Having said that, I also think this is a silly lawsuit. Of all the things you could complain about, you're going to complain because their "footlong sub" is an inch and a half shorter than a full 12 inches? Maybe I'm in the minority, but I've never assumed that the phrase "footlong" meant I must get a sandwich that's exactly 12" long. If you watch then cutting the bread at most sub shops, they have measurements for 6" or 9" sandwiches. But a "footlong" just uses the whole piece of bread. And let's face it, bread doesn't always bake to exact specifications. I'd think any halfway intelligent person would realize this and accept that they're getting a larger sandwich for what is still a very good price and just move on. Do you measure any loaf of bread you buy to verify it's the exact same size as the one in the bag next to it for the same price?

Then again, lawsuits are rarely based on what an intelligent (or even halfway intelligent) person should realize. They're based on what lawyers can make hay out of, so it doesn't surprise me at all that they'd make hay out of this.


Oh. And the comparison to eggs would not be the number, but the size. Anyone who's purchased eggs knows that the cartons often come in labels like "medium", "large", "jumbo", etc. But the actual sizes tend to vary based on whatever sizes the eggs from the farm happened to be that week. The large tend to be bigger than the medium, and the jumbo tend to be bigger than the large, but I've seen a pretty huge variation in how big the eggs in a given "large" carton actually are. Do I sue the company that packages the eggs because last month the eggs in my "large" egg carton were nearly jumbo size, but this month they're more like medium? Or do I just accept that nature makes eggs in different sizes and that the size measurements are meant to be estimates? Just like bread doesn't bake to uniform sizes and the phrase "footlong" is an estimate.

Not that the lawsuit wont win anyway, but that's our legal system for ya.
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A quarter pound hamburger doesn't weigh a quarter of a pound by the time it's served, either.


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One of my guilty secrets is that I like a nice veggie Pattie sandwich .. nothing wrong with a nice subway, uh huh.

The thing for me though, is that I could not care less about the length. That's not what I buy the sandwich for, it's all about the filling Smiley: nod It must taste divine.

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Not really. "Foot long" is an objective measurement. It means twelve 1" units. Just like "a dozen" means twelve units. Either you're getting your twelve units as advertised or you're not. "Large", "Medium", "Jumbo", etc are not objective units or at least are allowed more variance (assuming the FDA has some regulation on what's allowed to be called a "large" egg).

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My thoughts exactly.
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There must be 10,000 subways in SE North Carolina. With that in mind, I never thought to pull out a ruler when given my sandwich.

I personally prefer Quiznos. Schlotzky's sucks. Hell, I hardly realized it was a national chain... for years I though Ed Scholtzky was the guy behind the register.
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I live in a small town that has a total population of barely 8000, and that includes the outlying areas.

We have three Subway restaurants... One in the downtown area, one in a little mall plaza on the far side of the Wal-Mart parking lot, and one inside Wal-Mart. Those two are actually about 500 feet apart. It's the only restaurant that we have multiples of. I enjoy Subway, while obviously not the greatest thing ever it still tastes good to me. I think it's another of those "Mileage may vary" things based on the specific restaurant you are visiting, as with many Franchises. Sure, ingredients and methods are somewhat standardized, but there can be quite a bit of variance depending on other environmental factors.

Locally there is one smaller Pizza/Sub joint that has three branches in towns about 3-4 hours away. They sell 18" and 9" subs, for 11-12 dollars and 6-7 dollars respectively. They are a bit pricey but just about every month they give out coupon pages that have multiple "Buy one get one free" subs. There subs are all baked, similar to Quiznos but much better. The few times I've had Quiznos they toast their subs and it tastes just like that... Toast. The inside of the bread is hard and crispy, and kind of flavorless. This place puts their subs in their Pizza oven and bakes them. I don't know what they do exactly but the bread comes out soft, moist, and flavorful. Like a pizza rather than a sandwich built on toast. They are a tad greasier than your average chain sub though (but I'm not eating them to be healthy).

Also, when I initially heard this story (a few weeks ago), they were just talking about how they measured 10 subs and found only a small number of them were 11.5 inches. Seems that as the story progresses they are saying the subs are smaller and smaller. I wonder why the lawsuit doesn't mention the "Half" subs being anywhere from 1/2 to 1/4. I've always ordered a footlong when I go there, but I see the employees eyeballing "half" and ending up quite a bit off at times.

(And yes, I am saying Quiznos is overrated and not much better than Subway).

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Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion... yours is wrong of course, but oh well. Quiznos has better ingredients and the choice of mozzarella cheese, which you can not get at subway.

On the quiznos note... we got one in Wilmington...then in like six months we had seven. The seven of them ran each other out of business and now we only have one again. I think I will go eat there today in support of the sole survivor.

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and the choice of mozzarella cheese, which you can not get at subway.


I'm positive Subway has mozzarella.
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and the choice of mozzarella cheese, which you can not get at subway.


I'm positive Subway has mozzarella.


They didn't in the past, but when they started selling the kiddie pizzas they added mozzarella in case more cheese was required.
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It's been probably 7 months since I've gone, but I just remember, for a couple years now at least, people getting shredded mozzarella on their subs. I personally always went with pepperjack.
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