AF3 Upgrade Seals should be BazaarableFollow

There, I said it...

I'm 5/8 on my leg seals for the BST upgrade. However, after around 10 hours of spamming the cookbook quest over 5 days with not another single BST seal dropping i'm pretty much ready to stab someone in the face. This has to be the single most frustrating thing i've come across in this game for quite a while. I'm sure you people who are doing the sausage quest or using Murex Spicules to the same end are even more annoyed at these quests, simply pouring gil away for no results.

I know that SE has designed the content to keep us busy until the next Abyss comes out but the system for upgrading this armor is just retarded. In much the same way the items for Magian weapon upgrades from T3 ZNM should have been bazaarable (hello 4 slots in my satchel gathering pounds of dust) these seals should be too.

Oh and before anyone tells me to go fight the NM, i'm currently 0/3 on the NM that drops the leg seals.

Yah you're right, this certainly does beat burning 3 hours of game time waiting for kings only to have them claimed by another LS.

There's plenty of ideas that are way better than they way it's been setup. Key item drops to party members, choose your own seal. Buy your seals with cruor, anything other than what we have now pretty much...

Ideally, it'd be nice if seals could be traded only for other seals on a one-to-one basis. I guess trade can't be made to work that way though.

The problem with this is that it would make it so that there would be very little work required to upgrade (other than making the money to buy the seals). Each seal has 3 NMs, 2 popped and one timed, and most NMs can easily be killed in a duo. The popped NMs have a 3 minute repop, so there's no shortage of chances to kill them, just occasionally competition with other groups killing the NMs. Even if they made them bazaarable, people would complain about the prices that others charge for the seals.

The best way to go about getting seals currently is to get a grellow !! on it, which raises the number of seal drops from 1-2 to 3-5, assuming you don't overuse it. Always bring TH so you can have a better chance at getting the maximum number of seals available, based on !! occurences. *DO NOT* make a large group to farm NMs, unless its with ls or friends and you're farming time and/or splitting up on NMs to kill. Making a large group will just mean that you have more people lotting the same number of seals; extra pop items can easily be farmed between NM pops.

Anyways, you can always put up search comments about buying seals from people who kill NMs and naming the price you are willing to pay; you just need to stick around near the maw when people are doing the actual killing.

That said, a grellow !! got me 4 whm seals off of one Whiro, but feet took ~15 Chhir Batti to get 6 since we didn't have a way to proc grellow.

The only real problem I have with farming seals is the bad reward rate from quests. This is inexcusable by any stretch of logic and really dampens the incentive to keep doing the quests. The randomness is annoying enough, but not getting any seals at all makes no sense whatsoever. The NM drop rate isn't overly stingy aside from job distribution, so there's not much to beef about there.

I don't even think people would mind the random rates so much if it weren't for the Traverser Stone mechanic. That's just my take on it, though.

There are a number of annoyances with them:

- Disparity in quest difficulty or effective cost. Some jobs can literally do their quest for a chance at a seal in a couple minutes. Others need to get crates dropped, or trade in somewhat rarely dropped items.

- Abyssea time limit in general (though that's a whole 'nother can o' worms)

- Annoyance with getting base item feet.


Being able to bazaar them would help a -lot-, and would likely be the easiest thing to implement, though it might not help all jobs/slots if the quests/NMs are particularly annoying.

Having the quests reward key items instead, that you can then turn in for any of the 20 job's seal would be nice. Basing it on job, or possibly, Magian quests that you have open could also be a good way to do it.

IMO, base armor pieces should all be obtainable from crour. They've got plenty of other stuff that could be obtained (or alternatively obtained) via resistance credits, or from gold boxes.

I would hate it if the seals were able to be sold by bazaar. You'd see RMT move in like hawks on a new market, not to mention LS's using it to fund events...

Quests should be made soloable for all jobs, and should be job specific. You should be guaranteed at least 1 seal per day from a quest, with it randomly giving seals after that. All armor base items should be made purchasable, whether it be from cruors, Resistance or Dominion Notes. Leave them dropable as well, for shiggles.

I haven't done any of these Ops, but as I understand it they are sometimes used during Abyssea EXP parties, so that would actually make a ton of sense.

So obviously SE will never do it.

Here's a crazy idea: get your seals from the nms.

It makes more sense to SE that it's completely random, see Operant conditioning: Variable reward schedule.

I have an idea: Create an NPC you can trade your useless seals to in order to obtain seals you want.

As crazy as it might sound, I've actually not had much chance since Abyssea was implemented to do any actual NM's. All my seals have come from one to two quests which I can only do once a Vanadiel Day. So far sitting on 3 seals I need, and about 10 I don't. I'd honestly be fine giving these things away if I could. Though I understand possible harms in doing so, I'm all for making these things Bazaarable. Or at least changing something with the quests for them (yes you can get them from NM's), but a few unlucky schlubs can't use NMs as they're main source for em. (Limited time thus unable to go with friends/ls when they go out and farm NM's themselves). It's almost pointless to use quests in the first place because of their low chance of even giving you a seal combined with having 3-5 different possible seals get given as a reward. (Unless your crazy / a glutton for punishment)

Actually have some ls mates in the same boat as the previous poster. One only plays a couple hours a week at times. So, he hops in to run a few quests then does dominion ops solo a lot. Gets a lot of seals he doesn't need.

Also, if you ARE doing the PUG routine for seals, or even doing it with LS--a lot of times seals drop that no one needs on that run...so they just fall to the floor if we can't find someone in the zone that needs them. I've seen LOTS of WHM...SAM... BRD.. BLU just drop to the pool and get chunked. So, even NM farming can pose the same dilemma as quest reward.

What NEEDS to be done (as stated before in countless other threads) is to have a check to determine the seal rewarded--if trial is logged and it is a potential drop for that quest, give it priority... or if trial isn't logged make the main job be the priority. I'm tired of seeing seals from Ward Wardens I do for setting up Bastion playtime for JOBS I DON'T EVEN HAVE UNLOCKED. It's nice that I CAN get a seal from it now (got two DRK seals that way) but it's pointless if I can't use them. Another option might be to let us trade the seals back to the NPC that gave it to get something different--maybe even like the Trophy rewards for dominion--can trade two of the same to get the next trophy in line.

Raist

That's all well and good if you don't mind sitting around shouting. Some people have time constraints for various reasons and just want to get in and get out. So, we just form up and go. We've actually managed to peg a time slot a couple nights a week where a group of us just go and kill stuff. Sometimes it's for seals, sometimes for armor, sometimes for key items. But it's a 3 hour window a couple nights a week we just plan on being in abyssea somewhere.

The point is if it's a QUEST for an item, there should be some form of control on the reward. As far as anyone has been able to test, it still appears virtually random. If you need a BLM scroll, you do a BLM quest. If you need SMN seals because you have SMN feet registered with the moogle...then why can't the quest that can give SMN seals give SMN priority when you do it? It's not like they can't check the log.

Monster drops are a different story. That should remain random, as it's being fought (most the time) by 2 or more people, so it wouldn't be fair to give one member priority on the drop really. But when you are the only one doing the quest, there should be some way to give priority. At this point in the game at least, most people are only doing the quests for a few reasons--fame, cruor/resistance credits/dominion points, or for whatever reason they CAN'T fight an NM to get their seals. The less fortunate players who have to rely on the quest route need some help. It's enough insult to injury that they have the ridiculous time sink in the first place by having no option but to repeat a fetch quest once per game day with only a 6% chance for the desired reward IF they meet the favorable conditions (like time restriction, not getting aggroed, etc.)--but to continually reward them with an item for a job they either don't have unlocked or never plan to level past subjob level is just ridiculous.

Raist

did you not notice the OP was talking about quest rewards?

Shades are tradeable, and Geodes can even be sold on the AH. You haven't seen some sort of insane black market spring up for them. Why? Because they are more readily available.

I really don't understand why people are resistant to having these either tradeable, exchangable with an NPC, or at the very least more consistant to obtain.

How coveted were the endgame equips until this year? And how easy are they now? How much of a black market sprung up for these once rare items in the past? It only becomes an issue when no one feels like they stand a chance to get the item (hello, creation of the RMT market ring a bell?). It's just a matter of time until you start seeing shouts for people mercing themselves out to kill NM's for people...I wouldn't be surprised if it hasn't already started.

Raist

I was referring to what you were saying about NM drops. That's why I quoted you, and not the OP.

I've seen 50k per Sobek's Skin while farming +2 items. Others simply organize atma/quest completion fights (like Briareus) for particular drops. If you are willing to spent the gil or effort, anything goes.
For all other occasions, there's [JP BUTTON]!

Any argument involving RMT is really just a joke these days. RMT are so insignificant now that the game has beaten them into the ground so hard that we really should stop arguing against things just because "but, but RMT!!!!!"



You basically just destroyed your own argument on RMT camping things, and there are enough different mobs that drop seals that it's not so easy to monopolize anymore.

There's too many systems in the game that discourage people from helping each other out - don't argue against lifting some restrictions that would be beneficial to everyone. Everyone has equal access to obtaining seals, and selling the ones you don't want in a bazaar would be a really good way to not only boost the economy and get that gil changing hands, but also allow everyone to get the gear pieces they want faster.

Edit: It works for other stuff like ABC's and Dynamis currency, why not this as well?

Edited, Feb 11th 2011 4:38pm by Torrence