I'm getting close to finishing my ToAU since getting back from my break (was on deployment!) and was wondering which ring to get. I like the uthalam's for my ninja, war, thf, etc. but it seems like maybe the balrahn's ring could be better for brd (its currently lvl 38).
My question is simply: Is this ring something that I should have, or is it < Uthalam's?
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Balrahn's Ring a must have for BRD?Follow
-Dagiraffe- Taru of Seraph
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I've never really needed it. It's the best Macc ring you can get but it's by no stretch a must have because rarely will 1 Macc make or break it for you. In salvage it's also really nice for mages if you can get rings but again not a must have for BRD. I don't know how well Uthalam's is for WAR or Balrahn's is for BLM though.
Edited, Jul 4th 2009 5:30pm by Overburn
Edited, Jul 4th 2009 5:30pm by Overburn
I'm not a melee, but Ulthalam's Ring doesn't look that great to me.
Though at the same time, Balrahn's Ring isn't game breaking either.
If your Hard-Core BRD, get it. Otherwise pick whichever one is going to be more useful for the job(s) you do play.
But also don't forget these rings are equipable by all jobs and are level 50+. This includes strange scenarios like giving Ulthalam to mages or Balrahn to Melee or using them to level up other jobs. So while they don't exactly stand out, they might be situationally useful.
Though at the same time, Balrahn's Ring isn't game breaking either.
If your Hard-Core BRD, get it. Otherwise pick whichever one is going to be more useful for the job(s) you do play.
But also don't forget these rings are equipable by all jobs and are level 50+. This includes strange scenarios like giving Ulthalam to mages or Balrahn to Melee or using them to level up other jobs. So while they don't exactly stand out, they might be situationally useful.
BRD isn't a job you'll want to pick this ring for. Remember, out of all the "you can only have one" rewards in this game right now, this is the only one that you currently cannot throw away and repick.
Future jobs should be looked into, as well as whether or not you feel like you will be able to get potential use out of having Auto Refresh in Assault/Salvage (Balrahn's Ring IMO has the strongest "in-Assault/Salvage" effect, but it is still an effect that might be entirely useless to most jobs.)
Future jobs should be looked into, as well as whether or not you feel like you will be able to get potential use out of having Auto Refresh in Assault/Salvage (Balrahn's Ring IMO has the strongest "in-Assault/Salvage" effect, but it is still an effect that might be entirely useless to most jobs.)
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Posted: Jul 04 2009 at 6:55 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ulthalam's Ring is usually kind of crappy. It's just not really a very amazing ring.
as for macc, there are two types of mobs in this game, one that you can land most enfeebles on in mediocre gear on, and ones that no matter what you have, you will get resisted.
if you have other mage jobs it would be a nice ring, if you have melee jobs, get the ulthalam's or you will kick yourself for a long time.
as for "not looking that great" that ring is as good as a 5ACC ring and in salvage/assult its pretty damn pimp, its like that gimp melee tp'ing in str rings, but he's not gimp because he got acc on it, and dex, which is even more acc.
If you have one of the few +7 acc rings though, then I'd get the balrhan's.
Edited, Jul 5th 2009 1:08am by Lafaiel
if you have other mage jobs it would be a nice ring, if you have melee jobs, get the ulthalam's or you will kick yourself for a long time.
as for "not looking that great" that ring is as good as a 5ACC ring and in salvage/assult its pretty damn pimp, its like that gimp melee tp'ing in str rings, but he's not gimp because he got acc on it, and dex, which is even more acc.
If you have one of the few +7 acc rings though, then I'd get the balrhan's.
Edited, Jul 5th 2009 1:08am by Lafaiel
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Ulthalam's Ring is usually kind of crappy. It's just not really a very amazing ring.
I think you'll be disappointed if you don't get Balrahn's, especially if you have BRD or any other mage jobs.
I think you'll be disappointed if you don't get Balrahn's, especially if you have BRD or any other mage jobs.
That's generally how I see things. There's so many melee rings out there already, but not many rings like Balrahn's. I picked Balrahn's for its uniqueness, which is the same reason I got Suppa, Rajas, and Ethereal.
Ulthalam's is definitely the most common ring for me to see, though...
I think both Ulthaham and Balrahn are not *that* good.
And i am not sure about the ranged ring either.
I mean, on a melee you are competing for the second ring slot, because first one is Rajas. The cheap options are +5 acc. The expensive are downright better, as +7 acc.
Balran is the same problem. On nyzul / assaults its the very best thing. Outside it competes with +5 INT / MND / CHR rings, that should give you somewhere between 2.5 and 5 macc, plus the bonus to damage / strenght of the enfeeble.
I think SE was just so afraid of creating something overpowered, that it went the other way: You have better options on AH.
And i am not sure about the ranged ring either.
I mean, on a melee you are competing for the second ring slot, because first one is Rajas. The cheap options are +5 acc. The expensive are downright better, as +7 acc.
Balran is the same problem. On nyzul / assaults its the very best thing. Outside it competes with +5 INT / MND / CHR rings, that should give you somewhere between 2.5 and 5 macc, plus the bonus to damage / strenght of the enfeeble.
I think SE was just so afraid of creating something overpowered, that it went the other way: You have better options on AH.
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Balrahn's is a lot better inside assault than Ulthalam's, but outside it's very underwhelming.
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None of the ToAU rings are must haves for any jobs. The only ring that is worth full timing on any of the jobs (over other AH options) is Jalzhan's Ring. And this ring is only worth it for the Hard Core RNGs out there (and to a lesser extent, CORs). It really is a damned fine ring, but sort of funny that it's a Ranger's Necklace +1.
The advice I give most people regarding the rings is this.
What job/jobs do you come to Salvage/Nyzul Isle on most? Although I have BRD at 75, I also have a pimped out MNK, which is my job for most Salvage runs. Ulthalams's Ring blows away all other rings (yes, even Toredors) IN SALVAGE. If I were a main job mage in Salvage, then I would have picked Balrahn's Ring hands down.
Honestly, there is no "right choice" for the ring. I'd base it off of the job you use most in Salvage, but's that's just me. Balrahn's and Ulthalam's can both be replaced easily outside of Salvage. In Salvage, they are the best rings for their slots.
The advice I give most people regarding the rings is this.
What job/jobs do you come to Salvage/Nyzul Isle on most? Although I have BRD at 75, I also have a pimped out MNK, which is my job for most Salvage runs. Ulthalams's Ring blows away all other rings (yes, even Toredors) IN SALVAGE. If I were a main job mage in Salvage, then I would have picked Balrahn's Ring hands down.
Honestly, there is no "right choice" for the ring. I'd base it off of the job you use most in Salvage, but's that's just me. Balrahn's and Ulthalam's can both be replaced easily outside of Salvage. In Salvage, they are the best rings for their slots.
RNG:75 MNK:75 WHM:75 BRD:75 BST:75 SAM:75 WAR:75 THF:75 BLM:75
DRG:72 SMN:63 DRK:55 NIN:49 PLD:42 RDM:41 DNC:37 SCH:37 BLU:37 COR:20 PUP:22
Woodworking:88 Cooking:60 Alchemy:60 Bone:60 Leather:60 Cloth:60 Smithing:60 Gold:54 Fishing:33
DRG:72 SMN:63 DRK:55 NIN:49 PLD:42 RDM:41 DNC:37 SCH:37 BLU:37 COR:20 PUP:22
Woodworking:88 Cooking:60 Alchemy:60 Bone:60 Leather:60 Cloth:60 Smithing:60 Gold:54 Fishing:33
Cyth wrote:
None of the ToAU rings are must haves for any jobs. The only ring that is worth full timing on any of the jobs (over other AH options) is Jalzhan's Ring. And this ring is only worth it for the Hard Core RNGs out there (and to a lesser extent, CORs). It really is a damned fine ring, but sort of funny that it's a Ranger's Necklace +1.
The advice I give most people regarding the rings is this.
What job/jobs do you come to Salvage/Nyzul Isle on most? Although I have BRD at 75, I also have a pimped out MNK, which is my job for most Salvage runs. Ulthalams's Ring blows away all other rings (yes, even Toredors) IN SALVAGE. If I were a main job mage in Salvage, then I would have picked Balrahn's Ring hands down.
Honestly, there is no "right choice" for the ring. I'd base it off of the job you use most in Salvage, but's that's just me. Balrahn's and Ulthalam's can both be replaced easily outside of Salvage. In Salvage, they are the best rings for their slots.
The advice I give most people regarding the rings is this.
What job/jobs do you come to Salvage/Nyzul Isle on most? Although I have BRD at 75, I also have a pimped out MNK, which is my job for most Salvage runs. Ulthalams's Ring blows away all other rings (yes, even Toredors) IN SALVAGE. If I were a main job mage in Salvage, then I would have picked Balrahn's Ring hands down.
Honestly, there is no "right choice" for the ring. I'd base it off of the job you use most in Salvage, but's that's just me. Balrahn's and Ulthalam's can both be replaced easily outside of Salvage. In Salvage, they are the best rings for their slots.
No LS for salvage and my nyzul runs have been suspended until i can get p-shorts and yigit body for thf and brd.
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No LS for salvage and my nyzul runs have been suspended until i can get p-shorts and yigit body for thf and brd.
dont need an LS for salvage. Just 6-8 competant people.
And doesnt the ring also work in assaults? I forgets tho...
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Quote a few months before the mass salvage banning:
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And stfu with the banstick, this is hardly traceable and so widespread throughout the EG community there's nothing SE can do w/o banning half the EG community on every server
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Still doubt my warrior, pld, or nin, will get picked over capped out blm or brd, lol;.
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75: WAR BLM PLD NIN
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None of the rings are great outside of assault runs, whether it be salvage, nyzul or regular assaults. Although I wear my Uthalams on war full time cause I'm lazy, cheap and it was free.
Pick the ring that fits the job most likely to be taken to assaults more often, in my case, it was war..lucky me!
Pick the ring that fits the job most likely to be taken to assaults more often, in my case, it was war..lucky me!
Niklz wrote:
None of the rings are great outside of assault runs, whether it be salvage, nyzul or regular assaults. Although I wear my Uthalams on war full time cause I'm lazy, cheap and it was free.
Pick the ring that fits the job most likely to be taken to assaults more often, in my case, it was war..lucky me!
Pick the ring that fits the job most likely to be taken to assaults more often, in my case, it was war..lucky me!
Heh, i did exactly that.
I do think its a shame you cant trade the ring though.
Khory
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DagiraffeFTW wrote:
Still doubt my warrior, pld, or nin, will get picked over capped out blm or brd, lol;.
Keep in mind that you can't change the ring if you get a Salvage group later in the game. That's probably the best argument for the ring. 100-200k and 4 attack aren't really worth 1acc and possibly best nyzul/salvage/assualt ring at some point to me. Also if you level RDM or WHM at some point it's pretty much a must have for the events.
I wouldn't say Balrahn's is a "must have" for Salvage if on your WHM or RDM. Best ring for those jobs, yes. Must have, no.
This is especially true if you have a BRD in your party. In most of my Salvage runs, BRD is either first or second for Ranged weapons, and usually third for magic. But rings often are spread out a bit more.
That being said, I'd place Storm Fife on the "must have" list for any BRD who regularly does Salvage. Giving Ballads for 5 mp/tick is just hot.
This is especially true if you have a BRD in your party. In most of my Salvage runs, BRD is either first or second for Ranged weapons, and usually third for magic. But rings often are spread out a bit more.
That being said, I'd place Storm Fife on the "must have" list for any BRD who regularly does Salvage. Giving Ballads for 5 mp/tick is just hot.
RNG:75 MNK:75 WHM:75 BRD:75 BST:75 SAM:75 WAR:75 THF:75 BLM:75
DRG:72 SMN:63 DRK:55 NIN:49 PLD:42 RDM:41 DNC:37 SCH:37 BLU:37 COR:20 PUP:22
Woodworking:88 Cooking:60 Alchemy:60 Bone:60 Leather:60 Cloth:60 Smithing:60 Gold:54 Fishing:33
DRG:72 SMN:63 DRK:55 NIN:49 PLD:42 RDM:41 DNC:37 SCH:37 BLU:37 COR:20 PUP:22
Woodworking:88 Cooking:60 Alchemy:60 Bone:60 Leather:60 Cloth:60 Smithing:60 Gold:54 Fishing:33
Got Balrahn's last night by the way, lol.
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Merits @ 160
8/8 Axe | 8/8 Sword | 4/4 Critical | 8/8 Elemental | etc. etc.
75: WAR BLM PLD NIN
Merits @ 160
8/8 Axe | 8/8 Sword | 4/4 Critical | 8/8 Elemental | etc. etc.
75: WAR BLM PLD NIN
eugh looks like brds gonna be my 3rd 75, i'll never get to play anything else, ever again :<
also OT, I just couldn't say no to auto refresh, I have no idea why since it's fairly irrelevant but, gah, it's so pretty to look at :P
Edited, Jul 12th 2009 11:31pm by ZiGG
also OT, I just couldn't say no to auto refresh, I have no idea why since it's fairly irrelevant but, gah, it's so pretty to look at :P
Edited, Jul 12th 2009 11:31pm by ZiGG
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It's easier if you pretend the stats on the ring say "In Nyzul or Salvage: refresh." Everything else isn't more powerful than alternatives.
Balrahn's Ring is essentially must have if:
1) you use MP
2) you do nyzul and/or salvage regularly
Now granted, for the OP, I don't think I'd recommend the ring (despite the fact he took it anyway). If you're not entering the ruins much and BRD is your only job, it won't do a whole lot for ya. The magic accuracy is largely moot.
Also, /salute and /praise to a military man. We're behind ya all the way.
Balrahn's Ring is essentially must have if:
1) you use MP
2) you do nyzul and/or salvage regularly
Now granted, for the OP, I don't think I'd recommend the ring (despite the fact he took it anyway). If you're not entering the ruins much and BRD is your only job, it won't do a whole lot for ya. The magic accuracy is largely moot.
Also, /salute and /praise to a military man. We're behind ya all the way.
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I think a better general full time ring is Omega's ring. While Balhrahn's is better inside Assaults/Salvage, Omega's ring is better outside.
I went with Ulithulam's ring, because I already have a crapton of good mage rings and I didn't want to be hitting myself repeatedly later on (as mentioned above.)
I went with Ulithulam's ring, because I already have a crapton of good mage rings and I didn't want to be hitting myself repeatedly later on (as mentioned above.)
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Truth be told, I just wish the ring was re-questable.
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catwho the Mundane wrote:
I think a better general full time ring is Omega's ring. While Balhrahn's is better inside Assaults/Salvage, Omega's ring is better outside.
Yeah, and Omega + Balrahn's is the best combo for when you need M.Acc on anything in any zone. You can have both, and both can be useful no matter how many rings you have. I'm not much of a believer in any "full time" ring for mages, but you can have a pretty small set that is useful for any circumstance (though maybe not maximized for every situation) if you go Tamas/Balrahn's/Omega.
That being said, I'm a COR (and almost to 50RNG, plan to take it to 75 at some point). I went Jalzahn's because it's unique and quite powerful. How many times are there mission rewards for ranged attackers? Good mix of R.Acc/R.Atk all the time, and OMGAmazing in Assault areas.
Ulthalam's is nice too, and I definitely get a kick out of people who still wear Sniper's/Woodsman rings who say Ulthalam's isn't that impressive. I sacrificed a bit for my PUP and MNK by passing on it in favor of a piece for my COR, and I generally use Rajas + Iota. But I did that because Jalzahn's is more unique.
Edited, Jul 16th 2009 3:23pm by Anza
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i have MNK BRD DRG SAM 75, and honestly all i actually care about in the game is making my MNK more powerful. however, the reason i got ulthalam's was (100%) because i use MNK more in salvage. it wasn't because ulthalam is an awesome or irreplaceable ring; it was because i plan on tanking chariots and regen/attributes/ATT|ACC is hot. icing is that ulthalam can be fulltimed on MNK outside of salvage, but i can afford toreador so that didn't really matter.
what i'm getting at with this is that even as a MNK maximizer who would happily gimp BRD SAM or DRG 75 to improve MNK, i would have probably got balrahn's if i didn't intend to play MNK in salvage. it's not a huge decision, in my opinion, but of the 3 rings i think balrahn's is probably the best if you can use it.
to put it another way, no melee will ever be hurting for ulthalam's the way SAM might be hurting for rajas, if that makes sense. further, if you're not capping ACC, toreador's gonna beat ulthalam.
what i'm getting at with this is that even as a MNK maximizer who would happily gimp BRD SAM or DRG 75 to improve MNK, i would have probably got balrahn's if i didn't intend to play MNK in salvage. it's not a huge decision, in my opinion, but of the 3 rings i think balrahn's is probably the best if you can use it.
to put it another way, no melee will ever be hurting for ulthalam's the way SAM might be hurting for rajas, if that makes sense. further, if you're not capping ACC, toreador's gonna beat ulthalam.
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