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#1 Dec 14 2011 at 1:08 PM Rating: Decent
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Shadow Broth Cooking Dragon Meat, Nopales, Agaricus



Plese tell me this isn't hippogryph ._.;;
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#2 Dec 14 2011 at 1:24 PM Rating: Good
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That sounds fun... one logging only item and one never freaking ever drops item... at least dragon meat is semi-common with all the Abyssea NMs + chests that drop it.

Lets see... wormy broth is obviously toad. Briny broth is probably apkallu, they do eat fish. Then lucky broth and shadow broth... hmmm. Hard to say from ingredients, could be either.
#3 Dec 14 2011 at 1:29 PM Rating: Good
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Its got to be lucky or shadow broth. And lucky broth requires a 100 skill legendary fish that can break LuShangs, so we're screwed either way. WTF.

Only two Abaia have ever sold on Phoenix at the ah....

Edited, Dec 14th 2011 11:32am by Hemphogg
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#4 Dec 14 2011 at 1:48 PM Rating: Decent
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my cooking char is also my fishing char so yay me, no ebisu yet though.

My guess is the lucky broth is the turtle
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#5 Dec 14 2011 at 1:53 PM Rating: Good
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Its got to be lucky or shadow broth. And lucky broth requires a 100 skill legendary fish that can break LuShangs, so we're screwed either way. WTF.

Only two Abaia have ever sold on Phoenix at the ah....

The fish aren't a problem. The moment there's demand, all the Ebisu owners will come out of woodwork and get tons of them. It happened with Lik and Gugrusaurus, and those are lvl 120+ fish. I'm sure the prices will start at 60-80k per fish though. But they'll go down. I used to sell Liks for 100k a pop back when I was pretty much the only supplier, now you're lucky to get 15k for them.

Edited, Dec 14th 2011 2:54pm by Sharain
#6 Dec 14 2011 at 2:02 PM Rating: Good
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What happened to making jugs being easier to make?
#7 Dec 14 2011 at 2:35 PM Rating: Good
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Hemphogg wrote:
Its got to be lucky or shadow broth. And lucky broth requires a 100 skill legendary fish that can break LuShangs, so we're screwed either way. WTF.

Only two Abaia have ever sold on Phoenix at the ah....

Edited, Dec 14th 2011 11:32am by Hemphogg

There was no demand for lesser chigoe at ah before dipper came out either.
you could buy a stack for like 3k iirc
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#8 Dec 14 2011 at 3:08 PM Rating: Decent
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I found this on Julians dat mining site.

Lucky Broth
None (BST jugs?)
Calls Faithful Falcorr.
Lv86 BST

Shadowy Broth
None (BST jugs?)
Calls Crude Raphie.
Lv96 BST

Briny Broth
None (BST jugs?)
Calls Dapper Mac.
Lv76 BST

Wormy Broth
None (BST jugs?)
Calls Slippery Silas.
Lv23 BST


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If this is correct then it seems dragon meat jug is the turtle odd but happier if true.
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#9 Dec 14 2011 at 3:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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Xilk wrote:
Hemphogg wrote:
Its got to be lucky or shadow broth. And lucky broth requires a 100 skill legendary fish that can break LuShangs, so we're screwed either way. WTF.

Only two Abaia have ever sold on Phoenix at the ah....

Edited, Dec 14th 2011 11:32am by Hemphogg

There was no demand for lesser chigoe at ah before dipper came out either.
you could buy a stack for like 3k iirc


Now it's like ~220k/stack... Like the poster above mentioned, we're screwed either way.
#10 Dec 14 2011 at 3:45 PM Rating: Good
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Yea was really looking forward trying out the new jugs but it probly wont be for a good long while now, prices will be +100k easily
#11 Dec 14 2011 at 4:30 PM Rating: Good
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Unless Abaia are a lot harder to fish up than Ryugu Titans, I'm not especially worried about them, even with no Ebisu. Not surprising if people haven't been selling them, they weren't good for anything. As for Agaricus, there's a note on wiki saying that the Funguars in Abyssea - La Theine have a pretty good drop rate for them.

Are there recipes for the other three jugs somewhere?

#12 Dec 14 2011 at 6:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Yes on the update notes, it says syerngery but theres always a normal recipe too.

Wormy Broth Cooking Little Worm, Shell Bug (frog)

Briny Broth Cooking Hamsi, Mercanbaligi, Rhinochimera (apakullu)

Lucky Broth Cooking Gelatin, Buffalo Meat, Abaia (Hippogryph)

Shadow Broth Cooking Dragon Meat, Nopales, Agaricus (Amantoise)


edit: it dosent meantion a new pet food recipe sadly.

Edited, Dec 14th 2011 7:38pm by koromaseraph
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#13 Dec 15 2011 at 2:38 PM Rating: Decent
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turtle seems to have roughly 2500~3000 HP @ lvl 96. zeta nealy heals all its hp -.-
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turtle seems to have roughly 2500~3000 HP @ lvl 96. zeta nealy heals all its hp -.-

Falkirk posted all pet hp's from test server a few weeks ago on this thread:



Apkallu 5236 5338 5406 5474 5542
Hippogryph 4714 4776 4840 4904 4968
Toad 3214 3258 3300 3344 3388
Adamantoise 3996 4050 4104 4158
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#15 Dec 15 2011 at 6:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Hippo jug seems better than dipper at everything except its like 5x the price to make. Haven't used any of the other new jugs yet. If anyone else has, does the adamantoise at least have a boatload of defense? Seems pretty lackluster if not :/
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"Lackluster" might be too kind, judging from the way someone in my LS described it.

Does Hippogryph get Treasure Hunter? If not, that's still a pretty signifcant niche. And even with, the cheaper jug still looks better for normal farming.

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#17 Dec 15 2011 at 8:24 PM Rating: Decent
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I couldn't say for certain but it did look like it got TH. The drops looked "normal" when I used it instead of a ladybug in dynamis earlier
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it has treasure hunter.
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#19 Dec 15 2011 at 11:35 PM Rating: Good
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Hmm. I haven't really done anything that'd be considered a hard BST solo these days, had other things on my mind, but the evasiveness of Yuly + TH + better damage (I remember someone saying) + a higher HP pool... Sounds like this could be the favored jug for a lot of things.

I still kinda hope some of the other jugs have their own edges though, otherwise it'll feel too much like the old days of Crabs Crabs Everywhere. How does Hippogryph compare to, say, Gorefang Hobs for pure DD?

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#20 Dec 16 2011 at 9:39 AM Rating: Good
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Has anyone found anything that you can solo with Faithful Falcorr that you cannot with Dipper Yuly?
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#21 Dec 16 2011 at 1:19 PM Rating: Good
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Has anyone found anything that you can solo with Faithful Falcorr that you cannot with Dipper Yuly?

Tiamat.
There's a vid out on it.

also, since no one checks the jug testing thread (where many of the questions are answered)... boost makes the hits in next attack round to 4x damage. I was able to do crits of 3k in abyssea misareux w/ falcorr on test server this way. and triple attacks often at 1.2k each hit.
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#22 Dec 16 2011 at 6:32 PM Rating: Good
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I was thinking in terms of damage over time, not just what it can do for spike damage.

Thydonon wrote:
Has anyone found anything that you can solo with Faithful Falcorr that you cannot with Dipper Yuly?


It's not just a matter of whether it opens up new solos though. If it makes solos that were already possible easier, that's going to create a demand.

It should be interesting to see how this plays out in the market. Stacks of jugs have gone up a bit from what I was seeing last night (100k/stack -> 120k), but the annoying fish is going down in price...

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sleepygirl wrote:
I was thinking in terms of damage over time, not just what it can do for spike damage.

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Has anyone found anything that you can solo with Faithful Falcorr that you cannot with Dipper Yuly?


It's not just a matter of whether it opens up new solos though. If it makes solos that were already possible easier, that's going to create a demand.

It should be interesting to see how this plays out in the market. Stacks of jugs have gone up a bit from what I was seeing last night (100k/stack -> 120k), but the annoying fish is going down in price...

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I posted my dd testing of falcorr and yuly at level 98/99 also. falcor's base damage is jsut ahead, and its very clear that the triple attack rate is better.
The only thing I'm not sure of is if the eva rate is as high.
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#24 Dec 16 2011 at 10:08 PM Rating: Good
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Is Falcor's damage ahead of Hobs though, is what I'm wondering. `.` (After all, it doesn't take that much to be ahead of Yuly's damage from what I've seen.)

How would one go about testing evasion anyway? I can make pretty much every jug and would be up for doing tests, but I'm not sure how one would go about establishing a metric for this...

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Is Falcor's damage ahead of Hobs though, is what I'm wondering. `.` (After all, it doesn't take that much to be ahead of Yuly's damage from what I've seen.)

How would one go about testing evasion anyway? I can make pretty much every jug and would be up for doing tests, but I'm not sure how one would go about establishing a metric for this...

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defensive stuff is actually hardest to test. Well, maybe not hardest, but you need a large sample.

First, its good to have monster gloves, so you tighten the level which you are testing. this way its only a level 98 or 99 pet if its uncapped. The easiest way for defensive stuff, like eva is just to parse it with kparser.
You just need a large enough sample size. I think 1000 is big enough... I think. you take the pet and fight stuff so that 1000 hits are done against it. (this can be done manually... but thats a huge pain). Count up the number of hits and misses against your pet. the larger the sample,the more precise. I"m thinking awahondo in ule might be a good mob to do this on. if you don't add any agi, or eva+ atma and just cap the damage mitigation and regen, you can get alot of hits from a high acc mob, then switch pets w/out killing it.

might do the same w/ a player tanking awahondo w/ a known evasion and a whm to compare to other players, but the above should be a pretty decent test for eva comparison between falcorr and yuly.

I'm hoping that monster gloves +2 will mean the pet will always be level 99. That would be great for testing purposes.


Edited, Dec 17th 2011 7:10am by Xilk
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#26 Dec 18 2011 at 12:36 AM Rating: Good
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Looks like I won't be doing any such testing for a while then. Still missing some things that are probably important for that. (Not sure I'll even have time to get the new limit break done before Christmas. -.- )

Still, it's something to keep in mind for future plans.

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I love Falcorr...just a complete badass. Pricy as hell but a great jug, nonetheless. If I were to have another child, it's name would be Falcorr. Yes, I have that much of a jug-crush on him.

But, speaking of the Shadow Broth...Baby Genbu...he showed me something very impressive this weekend. Maybe this is a common occurence, but I watched him take down Turul after he landed on my face in Aby Konsh. He has some nice magic resistance, as Turul tried, but just could not beat him. Slower than hell, though..my gawd Baby Genbu...hit the damn treadmill!

Love the new jugs, but I need to whore out the old lady to pay for them...

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I love Falcorr...just a complete badass. Pricy as hell but a great jug, nonetheless. If I were to have another child, it's name would be Falcorr. Yes, I have that much of a jug-crush on him.

But, speaking of the Shadow Broth...Baby Genbu...he showed me something very impressive this weekend. Maybe this is a common occurence, but I watched him take down Turul after he landed on my face in Aby Konsh. He has some nice magic resistance, as Turul tried, but just could not beat him. Slower than hell, though..my gawd Baby Genbu...hit the damn treadmill!

Love the new jugs, but I need to whore out the old lady to pay for them...



I'll have to test, but I hear Raphie has thunder resistance, and I dont' really doubt it. Thats what would make a big difference for Turul. The spikes are super nasty and rip thru you.
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