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You skipped my post! fatod quaduples the damage of the hits in the next turn. thats how I could get 3k hits in abyssea (single hits) 750 x 4 was 3k. lowest hit was 900. so it was not crit etc.. go back and read my post. its 4x damage. :P

you mean beast killer and plantoid killer match the potency of other killer effects at 99?

Ahh, so the only way you'll cap the replacement for the dINT term (chr - int) is under brew.. so as.... Gotterdamarung was insisting, when brewing, you should go for killer effects gear + Ferine Gausape to maximize damage...

I confirmed on the main servers that MailbusterCetas and AudaciousAnna are capped at level 95. Also, they STILL haven't placed a level cap on SlipperySilas, haha.

I'm probably not the only person who has tried this, but I was playing with the Hippogryph in Ru'Avitau using Fantod (so awesome), and managed to pull this move off:

Fantod to Back Heel Combo

Not practical, but it was amusing, haha. The boost effect from Fantod lasts somewhere in the range of 15~30 seconds, maybe it varies based on TP?

Wuuuut. :D

So I got the Monster Jackcoat+2 today and was doing some testing to see what status ailments it removed, or whether it affected reward potency (it doesn't) or what-have-you... I went out to South Gustaberg and played with the level 1 bees. I found that it you inflict a status ailment through subjob and then charm+reward you'll get a message in the chatlog confirming that the status has worn off. Presumably this is how most of the old testing was done also?

Looking at the wiki entries for the Augmented Reward bodies, they should remove Paralyze, Poison, Blind (from Beastcoat usage), and Weight, Slow, Silence (from Monstercoat usage) respectively.

I found some discrepancies though. o _o

In performing the base tests for comparison, I found that Beast Jackcoat was able to remove Slow, Silence, and Weight effects, in addition to the effects already reported. So... what is the difference between Augments "Reward" I, II, and III? :o Suggestions?

Edit:

So, things to try out: Regeneration duration, removal of multiple status effects...

Here's me applying 5 status ailments to this poor lil' bee and then curing away all his troubles with pet food Alpha and a Monster Jackcoat+2: The Falkirk Giveth and Taketh Away

The result with the Beast Jackcoat is identical.

As far as regeneration duration is concerned, from the timestamps, Monster Jackcoat+2's regen effect was 2 minutes and 55 seconds, and when I repeated the test with Beast Jackcoat it was the same.

As a follow up to status effect removal, it doesn't remove Bio, Dia, Petrification or Doom.

Edited, Dec 17th 2011 10:08am by Bookmarku

Yeah, at the part where it says Equipment Changed. I charmed and then used Reward in quick succession which is why they look out of order in the chatlog. And as soon as the reward goes off, all 5 status ailments are removed (they all have the same time stamp).

It's very easy to verify yourself, especially outside any starter town. I was 99BST/49RDM for the enfeebles.

Edit: And I'm saying you can verify this with any of the Jackcoats, because as of this writing they all appear to operate identically. Unless someone knows otherwise. o _o

Edit2: Here's another screenshot that more explicitly shows a Beast Jackcoat Reward removing a bunch of status ailments. Rewarding the Huge Hornetz.

Edited, Dec 17th 2011 5:20pm by Bookmarku

What I really want to see is the +2 head and hands. Head for enhances killer effects, does it work like BST af3+2 body? also it's enhance killer instinct. Then hands for it's enhance augments call beast, and enhances beast affinity.

I hadn't thought about that before, but do you happen to know the base regen amounts for the different foods? I assume that was an alpha biscuit. Looks like about 6HP/tick base without Beast Healer merits? Does that vary with stat, you think?

I suspect they bugged it when they added the +2.
I"m assuming the tests for status removal on regen in the past was accurate. I'm guessing they are both acting like the +2 now.

I dont' have hte +2 body yet, so I'll go see about some testing of the beast jackcoat +1 and the monster jackcoat

edit:
.. wow, I actually don't have the monster jackcoat at all.. I think bubu will be my next area of farming for awhile...
but I did confirm that beast jackcoat+1 removes slow, para, poison, blind, gravity (sleep ha), and silence.

it does not remove dia, bio or bind. I doubt it works for the blm stuff like choke, burn, etc.. but I'll take a quick look. NOPE, doesn't work on shock. I'm not gonna bother w/ rasp, burn, etc...

need help to test break or addle, but I don't think it would cure break (would be awesome if it did!) and addle probably matters less than silence for our pets.




Yes, regen amounts for pet food and poultice are exactly what I'd test in pvp w/ a bluemage.

Edited, Dec 18th 2011 10:36pm by Xilk

Voracious Trunk, I assume.

The other way is to just do tests like he just did. It probably works on 3 second ticks and we know how long it takes to heal X damage (approximately), so we should be able to figure it out. We need to compare it to the base regen rate, if that exists though.

Fantod does <400 dmg on EM bats in Bostaunieux Oubliette so we can all get over this BS now. SE can die in a fire.

I expected this much on the enhances beast affinity bit. I take it you just need to have them on whenyou CB. Thats fine, already doing that for the call beast enhancement.

I'm going to hve to pop on and test some more.

That seems a bit bugged. I'm glad they stack up, but the helm is making no improvment by itself. That tells me its not the "augments" effect we see from gausape. It appears to be more of an "enhances killer effects" trait (which is what I originally translated it as).
It seems to be a +8 killer effects boost from the last test.

I'm most interested in comparing w/ just gausape to testing gausape + helm (w/out killer instinct). might throw in beast trousers a little also to see if its an even or odd number. However this would show the killer effects + value. Frankly a +4% to the damage modification from gausape is a respectable effect.

Would need to rework whether killer effects or twilight is best for ws's again...


Edited, Dec 22nd 2011 3:28pm by Xilk

what was the target for these tests? both brew and non brew..

It seems to disagree. +4% damage on non-brew, but only +2.5% on brew.
then again, the non-brew was w/ killer instinct active.

That one is a bit different. w/ gausape and killer instinct I'm not sure how the calculation is happening to wind up w/ a 28% increase. It also appears you do not have any killer effects merits.

Did you do all of these tests with 5/5 into the merits being tested? It seems almost everything scales with merit level.

All of those numbers are consistent with Killer effect +5, right?

Edited, Dec 22nd 2011 6:00pm by Byrthnoth

Yeah, I meant the effect on duration. It's likely +3 seconds duration per merit level rather than +15 seconds.

Those Killer Instinct numbers you're posting are perfectly normal, btw. It gives +15% damage and then also +15 Killer effect (+7 or 8% damage with AF3+2 body).

Edited, Dec 22nd 2011 6:09pm by Byrthnoth

:D

So the last thing to test is the reward enhancement on AF2+2 feet? They likely upped it by at least 2%, and I'd bet 4~5%.

Well, that'd let you get Presto Julio up to level 99 for two levels of BA instead of three. Much better than a sharp stick in the eye, but worth that much effort? Depends on how much you'd like that group 2 level in something else, I suppose.

Is it safe to say that these also have the regular Monster Gloves effect?

~sleepygirl

If they eliminate the level variance that sounds like it'd be worth the price of admission right there.



I was thinking one could eliminate base regen by having their pet attack a campaign fortification, but timing it would still be a real hassle. I think there's probably another way, but given Voracious Trunk, it doesn't seem worth the bother unless for some reason it's giving incorrect numbers that way.

~sleepygirl

I was only able to summon 3 pets before I had to run to work. its not a large enough sample to confirm, but with your reworked table, all 3 were level 99.

I think a sample of 30 would satisfy me. I'll try it when I get some free time. Holiday is gonna be pretty busy though.

next time I catch you on test server Falkirk,I'm gonna drag you to ballista.

I'll hide my job and go as blu/blm if I have to to d2 you out of whatever you are doing.

Here's motivation, now we have to compare the regen levels of the enhanced beast healer affect from the boots.
no way you wanna do that manually.

Also, if we can confirm always level 99 jugs from monster gloves +2.. then I'll have fewer things holding me back from finishing the dd testing. I can confirm the exact base values (my current tests should be within 1 or 2 already)

I actually have a few samples I collected of fighting troll paladins in zhayolm and a few other mobs where I narrowed down their exact def and collected dd samples... btw, they have between 511 and 523 def w/ pro4 up. variance on troll level.

However, I haven't been able to figure out the exact attack values... I'll review kegsay's journal again (cuz I'm too lazy or too stupid to figure better methods for trying to determine the attack)

The thing is I'm not writing any brute force java applets to narrow the options down.

My samples so far leave the attack range for most jugs beween 600 and 1000

not nearly close enough.

Is there any NM or mob that has SUPER high def, but we know its NOT just damage reduction? Something I could identify the def, and hopefully its higher than our pets attack? However if its that high, it will be more challenging for me to identify exact def w/ my attack values on bst.

I'm kinda stumped

Edited, Dec 23rd 2011 9:03am by Xilk

Edited, Dec 23rd 2011 9:10am by Xilk

This makes me very happy. Any pet that caps 84+ can now be called at 99. Nursery Nazuna, Chopsuey Chucky, and Amigo Sabotender are now usable again, and I like having more pets.

Granted, of the three, only Nursery Nazuna is likely to see the light of day, but there's always room for a massive HP pet in my backpack, and AoE sleep has it's uses.

Here's to hoping for an "always level 99" confirmation!

Edited, Dec 23rd 2011 9:42am by Thydonon

Thanks for the testing guys! Monster Gaiters are +20%. Are the Monster gaiters +30% ontop of that or only a +10% boost. Can't wait to see more testing on the +2 hands.

+2 boots ogre gloves+1 ferine earring... 6-7% more reward gear and we wouldnt need to weapon swap.

Fantastic testing Bookmarku

I thought Falkirk may have posted already.

We teamed up on test server to check regen values of reward biscuits. Voracious trunk and osmosis on blu work just great.
I believe the duration is 3 min for all of them, but I have not checked this.

Alpha - 1hp/tic
beta - 3hp/tic
epsilon 11hp/tic
zeta 14hp/tic
eta 17hp/tic
theta 20hp/tic

I"m guessing 6hp/tic and 9 hp/tic for gamma and delta respectively, We didn't have them to check.
We also still need to test beast healer merits and the new augment on the monster gaiters +2. The beast healer description implies it will be +1 hp/tic for each merit. so you can add up to 5/tic. We'll confirm, and see how monster feet +2 affect this.


Also, for monster trousers +2... they do NOT increase the amount of hp of pet beyond the normal +10% from familiar.

I tested several more pets w/ the monster gloves +2. all level 99. I'm convinced that level variation is gone when using them.

Edited, Dec 24th 2011 2:42pm by Xilk

I went out and tested reward using theta and a few different values for mnd.

base mnd 80 (galka bst/blm level 99/49)

80 base mnd = 1700 reward
+35 = 1840
+40 = 1860
+75 = 1965

I want to say the formulat is this: 1600 + 4*(mnd - 55)

but one of my samples doesn't match it... I should test more, but I'm lazy now. I may have recorded soemthing wrong.

(fyiw/ +50% in gear those are 3k rewards in abyssea.. close outside abyssea if you've got alot of mnd)



Edited, Dec 26th 2011 4:19pm by Xilk