How can SE improve EES at higher levels?Follow

They can call it "Hundred Arrows", and make MNK turn in their grave lol.

Invincible and Astrol Flow are still highly effective and worth the 2 hour recast.

At least mijin gakure is a free warp...




To OP:

I'd rather see them fix ranged accuracy.

Blaming Racc in general for Slug Shot is stupid. Why? Because it's the nature of the WS to miss, read the description. And by the way, if you're missing 9/11 slug shots, maybe you should re-evaluate your WS equipment, because I sure as hell don't. Furthermore, if you want an accurate review of how Racc affects weaponskills, try using a WS without a racc penalty like Heavy Shot, I think you'll find it similar to a drk with spinning slash; sure you miss some, but sh*t happens.

Next, barrage. It's not Racc, it's luck. The Acc/Racc cap is 95%. That means you will miss 1 in 20 of your shots. Barrage works in that if you miss the first, you miss the next. I can confidently say if it was like a multi hit WS, and not as it is, you would not notice it at all. You don't see DRGs complaining everytime they hit a 4/5 hit pentathrust instead of 5/5+, that's all a completely missed barrage is - one missed shot. You didn't miss 5-6 shots, you missed 1. You're just unlucky that the shot that missed was the first. You can't blame a missed barrage on broken Racc.

And here's some news for you: It's not just Rng. My Drg has 8/8 as well, 2 traits, a higher ranked weapon, gets .75 acc per 1 dex instead of .5 racc per 1 agi, and has over 65 acc in gear in the acc set, and guess what? Yes! It's accuracy sucks as well! It's not Ranged Acc, it's all acc. Everything sucks. Get over it.

Seriously, get off the "racc is broken" bandwagon.

Why should they get off that bandwagon if it's true?

It IS broken compared to melee acc. It doesn't even have to be Slugwinder or Barrage or whatever. The fact is, a ranged attacker can load up on more r.acc than a standard melee would load up on melee acc (a LOT more r.acc, due to Accuracy Bonus traits, and the vast quantities of available r.acc from gear), and still potentially whiff as often or even more often than the melee.

Sadly, none of my parser data is useful in supporting this, as I use my parser to adapt my gear for acc rates etc when I'm leveling or trying new equipment, and when I'm happy, I turn it off - I really don't care how I parse compared to others, and as all the other info (racc/acc and damage, etc) should be constant, I don't bother parsing.

So, if you could show me some data to support what you're saying, then I'll concede, but I know that my Drg and Rng in their sky-god killing gear hit equally bad on gods (excl. genbu), and I'm pretty sure they have similar acc values.

My Mithra Drg/Sam has 72+12 Dex, 276+16 skill, 22 Acc in traits and 56 Acc (Link)
My Mithra Rng/Sam has 70+27 Agi, 269+8 skill, 48 Acc in traits and 61 Acc (Link)
So:
My Drg's total acc should be: 282.8+63+22+56= 423.8
My Rng's total racc should be: 269.3+48.5+61= 426.8

3 Acc difference. Both suck. Your Ranger has trouble hitting gods with meat, news: so does my rng, so does my drg, so do most other melees. It's not racc, it's just gods.

As I said, I have no parse data to back this up, however I can confidently say both my Rng and Drg hit sh*t on gods. It shouldn't be too hard to parse yourself, go RNG to your next god fight, ask an equally geared/merited melee to not eat sushi, parse yourselves, post acc rate and your total accuracy values. I've got acc values, but no proof of their equal acc rate in the field.

So you say "racc is broken, I can't hit gods with meat", I say "it's the same with melees". Prove me wrong?

Drg is an accurate melee class, and it's acc can rival a ranger's racc on paper. If it has trouble, you better believe other melees do to.

And if you're complaining about slug acc on gods, then you're stupid for using slug, use heavy/arching.

^I mean like... Invincible/Hundred Fists/Meikyo Shisui/Chainspell/Blood Weapon. I think you missed these few ones.

Oh yes, I'm sure some jobs other than RNG would like to see a more powerful 2hour.

invincible - you can still take dmg from magic and added effects.

Hundred fists - works till youre dead, and is accuracy based.

Meikyo shisui - This one does get more powerful due to the access of more powerful weapon skills and skill chains.

Chainspell - only works if you have MP.

Blood weapon - not only accuracy but delay based.


I agree EES does not scale well in comparison to some other 2 hours out there and should get a multiplier by level or something of the like.

other than the occasional "Miss" EES is still a good 2 hour. Could be better? sure. could be worse? OOOOOOOOOH yeh

Make EES a once per five minute uber shot.

Make 2 hr "Vanishing shot" "Extremely accurate that shot that removes all Emnity".

Oh look...it's useful.

Well, time to add my 2 cents to my own thread. I think EES could be fixed by making it direct damage. That part about it ignoring a targets defense really fails endgame. I'd settle for a nice, unresistable, unblockable 2k+ damage on kirin or fafnir etc. While it would be nice if the damage simply scaled up, i see too much potential for abusing it. If EES did 4-5k damage, we'd see entire alliances of Rangers 2-houring HNM's all at once for an instakill. This would turn us into a bandwagon job again and quite frankly i don't miss those days

Make EES's damage multiplier increase with level the way barrage's number of shots does.

I for 1 <3 how EES is, granted I'll take any boost to it as I can but I just luv having that instant claim button (not so nice when I die right after but thats what the rest of party/alliance is for w) yes the damage isn't as high as it could be but hell it still a very nice chunk of dmg.

For the racc issue iono what gear your drg has noodles but my sam rocks gods like no tomorrow with atk food, but my rng is a different story. I haven't used sushi on sam since the 2handers boost. I don't know what they can do to fix the racc issue but there is defiently a problem, Maybe give rngs A+ skill in archery/marksmanship or give us the 2hander boost. All I know is unless I have madrigal or Hunters Roll I'm reduced to sushi on Kirin where on sam I take minx2 and eat subs/HHP to light him up for 1k-1.6k dmg.

Well, something like this would be ok.

EES would ALWAYS HIT, guaranteed hit because well .. its a fricking 2 hour, you don't get an "do over" if it miss's. Also should be like a pre-nerf RNG shot and ignore level difference.

There a perfect, once-per-2h OMGWTF damage move. Not broken cause well ... it is ONE shot with a 120 min cool down. But useful when you need to kill something RFN, or need to shave off that last 2-3% HP on a HNM (or just flat KILL the XP mob).

Edited, Feb 24th 2009 2:27pm by saevellakshmi