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This started on the speculation of the boost, and we were talking 95. First, you could consider the 5 less levels of level correction. Next, you could at least use the next 5 levels worth of skill for Scythe and Dark Magic Skill. Those would be a start. That, or not trying to plug in hard numbers for an, as of now, imaginary what if situation that someone else was talking about, like a jackass.

Even if it's Kinematics, there are too many unknown variables to be sure enough to base numbers on. For all you know it could be a straight physical damage down trait in there making it seems higher level. The reason we could find levels before was we could use the exp formula and work backwards to determine the level of the mob. Abyssea brought in a new EXP formula. I'd rather wait until it comes out and just parse a few numbers and plug them in.



Well quantifying the HP bonus as damage bonus through SE is a bit simpler. Quantifying it as a bonus to dread spikes and surviving is harder. The 20% healing? I never said to quantify it, I wanted you to consider it.



I'll provide math when the update comes out instead of being a pure napkinmathing faggot on a comment someone else made. You didn't provide facts either: You provided guesstimations, based on assumptions of imaginary numbers in simplified, hypothetical situations. You're like a physics professor with your numbers.

it's FFXIbumfights, all over again.

no thanks, poking fun at retards is way too much fun. seriously, no one has more than a (semi) educated guess about how this is going to work at 95, or on what particular mob. folks are arguing to argue, and it's even gayer than normal.

hey if it's liberace-level faggotry to let people know they're sh*tting up a thread, then pass me some of that good good butt.

god, i love this board.

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ITT: Losing 25% of max HP has no affect on SE damage.




It doesn't lower WS frequency, it lowers the expected gain in WS frequency though.



ftfy



Only on mobs with high defense that you can't cap or get damn near it on, relatively rare in abyssea btw, and have a decent level correction function.



Wut? I guess you're saying GC is only close in trash mobs where Self SC isn't useable. It still provides large benefits on higher level mobs do to SE damage boost being a larger part of damage, and self SCs. Your own arguments turned against you.

That one mob you pointed out earlier, the 560 defense mob, with just dia II and LR you're capped on him 72% of the time with only minimal outside assistance, that you couldn't be doing without.

In abyssea you have a sh*tload of DD buffs from medicines and the methods of adding DEF down have spread since back in the day. BLUs are extremely common in Abyssea groups, as well as DNC and /DNC. Just sticking a frightful roar would pretty much put you at cap full time with lvl 95 stats. Making it -25% HP and 10% TA vs 20% WS damage. Oh, btw, GC is only 30 attack behind A&O.





I prefer speculation when dealing with speculation and math when dealing with controls. Even then I prefer math that isn't touted as the be all end all and absolutely right by a napkinmathing @#%^tard that leaves sh*t out left and right.

Lets just go over the errors in your "math":

1) You did an "exact" values test on a a speculation subject. That's just a douche move to start.

2) You did the test with lvl 90 stats when speaking of a level 95 weapon.

3) You don't have a real target. You have a "guess" at the "average" target's stats. Doing specific numbers off of guesstimated values is stupid.

4) You neglect part of the argument and a portion of the damage because you either don't know how to account for it, or because it doesn't fit your argument: SE damage boost and Dread Spikes.

5) You're neglecting "intangibles" because they can't be explained with napkin math, they must not exist.

6) You even did the numbers, the ones you bothered to do, wrong. You forgot to count the 10skill from GC.

7) If it were a 150% bonus, GC would be slaughtering A&O. It's a 50% bonus goddammit, a 1.50 multiplier. A 150% bonus would be a 2.50 multiplier.

I'm not going to respond with math on a speculative subject because it's @#%^ing stupid. You're trying to be exact while predicting the @#%^ing future. Can you really not see why it's stupid for you to math it up in this situation? You have no argument. I'm not nitpicking I'm pointing out your argument is a cluster @#%^ of fail.

Future changes that would invalidate all math done now completely:

Augments to Apoc.

Changes to Job Specific Merits.

Changes to stat growth.

Dark Celerity/Absorb buffs.

New Job Traits.

New Job Abilities.

New Gear.

Badass hidden effects figured out that change something.

WS rebalancing/changes: For example, all WSs could be made to crit.

Actual Abyssea stats put out.

Instead of playing with a gay calculator, I like using actual data. Parsing numbers, large sample sizes, and using all ja/jt/stats. This is why I refuse to run/post numbers before sh*t comes out.





I was wrong, but you can probably see what confused me.



Then you may have calculated wrong because GC should be something like 15% more SE damage.




DRK isn't the norm in abyssea. BRD s well. Also, Apoc is one good upgrade and DRK one update away from becoming powerhouse DDs in abyssea as well as outside. The 90 upgrade to Apoc gained a good amount of ground on the abyssea DDs.



No I was interested in a level 95 Apoc with at least +50% damage. I assumed people could figure out a 95 drk would be using the 95 Apoc.



Semantics. A 1.50 multiplier is a 50% damage bonus. You keep saying it's a 150% bonus, which is wrong.


I understand math just fine. You just don't seem to understand I don't care about math done on pure speculation.

Sorry, I just noticed this and I know it does not have anything to do with this thread but I am pretty sure I was in the LS that took the Guku. Just want to tell the whole story since you left some stuff out. If this was not you and another similar situation then I am sorry (I can only remember one guys name from the group).

So we were trying to finish a guys Almace in our shell and we were out camping Guku. We lost claim and decided to pop the two Sobek pops we had while we waited on repop. We kill our two Sobeks and think its probably time to start camping guku again. One guy needs to get time so as he is running back he notices guku near the flux still at like 70% (needless to say this is like 12-14 mins after it was claimed). We are like "WTF?!" so we go over there to see someone dead, Guku white, and no one doing anything to claim it again (it was white for a good 5-6 seconds after I got there). No, they did not do anything to try to claim after we got there. So we claim, proc within a minute and kill it. I honestly didn't know they would get KI but to be honest we were not really upset. We were just pissed at how much time they were wasting. I think it was BS that it took over 12 minutes to do something that takes 3-4. If you think that's a dick move then whatever, but seriously if you are going to waste peoples time like that then you are going to incite moves that people normally wouldn't do (that is literally the fist NM we have "stolen" that I can remember).

People need to get over faggot and "hate speech".

Faggot hasn't been hate speech in a long time. The only people still offended by it are people making money off of being offended or people covered head to toe in thousands of tiny vaginas.

Faggots are any dumbass that says something @#%^ing stupid or annoying.

Not following how you got 1-2% SE gain. Everyone understands the 10% TA stacks with WSs. If I estimated the HP high. (I sit at 2900 in abyssea) Then that favors GC so try again.


If thats what you got out of the convo, you should just leave me and Return1 alone, he atleast seems to understand the game.

Anything is hate when you use it to reinforce something negative. You are not as good at this because you are *blank*. This watch is *blank* so it does not work as well. You are wrong and not as smart as me because you are *blank*

You do not get to decide what people think is offensive, the things you say are and I think you are smart enough to realize.


Edit: Why is my box so big :(

Edited, Aug 30th 2011 2:45pm by Quinildorff

Oh ok, like I said I wasn't sure if that was you guys or not. But the name of the leader was Aldaris. I have seen him shouting in PJ for people to do Sobek.

Don't patronize me.[/quote]



Honestly wasn't trying to, was just reiterating a point you understand that others seem to want to argue.

Again read the thread. I provided an example of a mob with no lvl correction, capped att,acc,str,dex.

101 lvl mobs do exist in Abyssea and so do mobs with 560 (504 after dia) Def, its not as far fetched as you think. In the Heros zones its probably higher then that.

Already stated it was close on Fodder. AaO is the norm, GC would be the sidegrade. And thats all assuming we get a 1.5x damage boost to Cata. In the current game AaO is the best, unless you need the extra HP and even then SS would be a great option to consider.

Just ran the numbers 2% away from each other with the current multiplier. .

Yeah I think the real upgrades wont be disclosed until the update.

2-3 on Liberator will be pretty insane.

insurgency gets the same +30% damage boost that cata does on apoc 90, and at 75 Insurgency was already better single WS for damage over cata, its pitfall is that it cant self light, but the OA2-3 CAN PROC ON WS for mythics, which is @#%^ing pimp, why the @#%^ would you ever pop guillotine instead of insurgency on a 90 liberator

That's why a proper Ryunohige is the strongest weapon in the game Abyssea. Screw Ukon.

Edited, Sep 2nd 2011 4:59pm by Raelix

As much as I wish they'd add a multihit to Apocalypse, I doubt it'll ever happen.

Also, I thought the SD change was now we get 2 minutes to take damage, 1 minute of dealing damage, and 2 minutes of cool down. That's what my friend explained it as, and it seems like such a letdown.

Same damage as +2 tells me increased multihit rate. Sh*t just got real.
BULLSH*T! It gets -27 delay. Not worth upgrading if you have 5-hit 528.

Giving them a good bitching on the official forums. I'd expect a damage increase at least if they're not gonna give 2-5 or 2-6.

Edited, Sep 3rd 2011 12:20am by Raelix