Checking to see if anyone has tried an enmity down set for drk. I'm starting to get aggravated that every time i use last resort, or souleater that the mob instantly turns to me before i even WS due to the high VE on both abilities. 1300 for each, voke is 1800.
Here's my idea of fairly easy stuff to get with -enm on it to throw on just before i use LR or SE. (Of course no i wont be ws'ing in this crap, just swapping in for those abilities, then back to tp set)
Hedgehog Bomb Enmity -1
Buccaneer's Belt enmity -4
Beguiling Collar Enmity -3 and decreases enmity when taking dmg (part of my oshi set)
Heavy Gauntlets enmity -3 and phy dmg -3% (part of my oshi set)
Jet Seraweels Enmity -4
Novia earring enmity -7
Delta earring Enmity -3
Troopers ring Enmity -4
This would give me -29 enmity for LR and SE. It would only be on for 2 secs for the duration of the abilities.
I dont dare waste my merits on a foolish trait like Muted Soul, but if they unlocked the merit categories i'd love the -50% enm for SE.
Thoughts? Anyone tried a set like this before?
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Really though, the best way to do it is to pop those abilities before you touch the mob and thus have them generate 0 hate. For anything long enough for their recast to be up a good tank should have capped or near capped hate, but if you have the space/time/resources and want to make it easier on yourself I don't see any reason not to make this set.
pat helm -5
jet seraweels -4
Really though, the best way to do it is to pop those abilities before you touch the mob and thus have them generate 0 hate. For anything long enough for their recast to be up a good tank should have capped or near capped hate, but if you have the space/time/resources and want to make it easier on yourself I don't see any reason not to make this set.
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I gave up on the notion of not taking hate and just learned to tank instead.
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I gave up on the notion of not taking hate and just learned to tank instead.
Edited, Jul 7th 2010 1:12pm by xypin
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Checking to see if anyone has tried an enmity down set for drk. I'm starting to get aggravated that every time i use last resort, or souleater that the mob instantly turns to me before i even WS due to the high VE on both abilities. 1300 for each, voke is 1800.
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Fosgate :O didnt know you still existed. If you remember me at all. :s
Anyway, popping the abilities before the fight will save you from the emnity, but beginning a fight with Souleater up is sure to get you hate in less than 30seconds :< Last resort, maybe, with capped Desperate Blows.
But yeah, I use these abilities when I know I can tank. ie. Cast dread spikes / seigan up / mobs almost dead / Utsu: ni recast ready + shadows up / etc. I wouldn't bother with the effort for an emnity set that likely won't make a huge amount of difference ;;
Anyway, popping the abilities before the fight will save you from the emnity, but beginning a fight with Souleater up is sure to get you hate in less than 30seconds :< Last resort, maybe, with capped Desperate Blows.
But yeah, I use these abilities when I know I can tank. ie. Cast dread spikes / seigan up / mobs almost dead / Utsu: ni recast ready + shadows up / etc. I wouldn't bother with the effort for an emnity set that likely won't make a huge amount of difference ;;
drk = 80 sam = 76
pld = 79 thf= 80
nin = 80 drg = 75
mnk = 76 war = 52
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pld = 79 thf= 80
nin = 80 drg = 75
mnk = 76 war = 52
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Muted Soul would be awesome if it applied to the initial hate, but it doesn't.
General gist of any short fight for me:
Option 1:
Take hate on purpose for Dread Spikes
Option 2:
Kill mob before S+TE even thinks about dropping, rinse+repeat. Third Eye drops: Stun. Mob not dead yet: Weapon Bash -> Absorb-TP, WS again. Put Third Eye back up, laugh as it totally eats Vorpal Blade/Pecking Flurry/Eagle Eye Shot
Maybe I'll make a flowchart for lulz.
Anything under 30 seconds or so, Third Eye>Utsusemi because you can make the mob deader instead of picking your nose putting shadows up.
You'll have to beat it into people that /NIN is not a DRK's answer to hate issues.
Edited, Jul 7th 2010 12:24pm by Raelix
General gist of any short fight for me:
Option 1:
Option 2:
Maybe I'll make a flowchart for lulz.
Anything under 30 seconds or so, Third Eye>Utsusemi because you can make the mob deader instead of picking your nose putting shadows up.
You'll have to beat it into people that /NIN is not a DRK's answer to hate issues.
Skyra wrote:
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Edited, Jul 7th 2010 12:24pm by Raelix
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Not all fights last 30 seconds. Any fights that last 30 seconds I really could care less about to be honest. I am not much of a party/xp/merit grinder myself.
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Can anyone provide me with some math that would prove my enm set to not be as useful as i would think? Thats actually what im looking for. Math. Not advice on how to tank on Drk... thats just too damn easy.
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As for the rest... Tanking with /sam is damn super easy and any job including smn could do it. When ppl say "I just learned to tank" it makes me sigh....
If i have to tank a mob with Seigan up, that means im not using Hasso. Thats less acc, less str, and most of all, less haste. If an enmity down set works good for hate generation while popping these abilities, It would boost my damage up alot for things that dont die in 30 secs.
Turning certain mobs away from the tank can be a really bad idea in some situations. If i could get a 6-hit and 10% more haste with /thf i'd just TA the tank every time.
Cause think for all you wars out there... do you use provoke before you weapon skill? Of course not. I dont want to do it on Drk either.
I'm figuring where LR is 1300 VE, and i had -29 enm, I could drop my VE for that down to about 923, which would be half of a provoke instead of 72% of a provoke. Unless i'm doing the math wrong.
Short answer:
Can anyone provide me with some math that would prove my enm set to not be as useful as i would think? Thats actually what im looking for. Math. Not advice on how to tank on Drk... thats just too damn easy.
Longer answer:
As for the rest... Tanking with /sam is damn super easy and any job including smn could do it. When ppl say "I just learned to tank" it makes me sigh....
If i have to tank a mob with Seigan up, that means im not using Hasso. Thats less acc, less str, and most of all, less haste. If an enmity down set works good for hate generation while popping these abilities, It would boost my damage up alot for things that dont die in 30 secs.
Turning certain mobs away from the tank can be a really bad idea in some situations. If i could get a 6-hit and 10% more haste with /thf i'd just TA the tank every time.
Cause think for all you wars out there... do you use provoke before you weapon skill? Of course not. I dont want to do it on Drk either.
I'm figuring where LR is 1300 VE, and i had -29 enm, I could drop my VE for that down to about 923, which would be half of a provoke instead of 72% of a provoke. Unless i'm doing the math wrong.
enmity down/up modifiers are a direct %reduction or increase in enmity generated. while in theory you can hold down your enmity for a longer period of time before capping out, the problem with this is that you're doing less damage over time (generally speaking, as the gear w/ -enm isn't as good from a damage output perspective) and you're still eventually going to cap out on hate anyway. it doesn't matter if your tank is Jesus Titty@#%^ing Christ, if the fight goes on long enough any dd/support will cap out.
best advice: don't buff out early if you don't want hate. let the tanks establish enmity before cutting loose. if you're talking about in merits/einherjar/dynamis/whatever, well, good luck. using a -enm down set for SE/LR is sort of counterproductive as you often want hate in merits for dread spikes abuse (or you should, anyway). if you insist on turning down a free 700-1000 damage and want to carry around a -enm set just for lr/se, then work out.
best advice: don't buff out early if you don't want hate. let the tanks establish enmity before cutting loose. if you're talking about in merits/einherjar/dynamis/whatever, well, good luck. using a -enm down set for SE/LR is sort of counterproductive as you often want hate in merits for dread spikes abuse (or you should, anyway). if you insist on turning down a free 700-1000 damage and want to carry around a -enm set just for lr/se, then work out.
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The OP is just talking about a set for when he pops LR or SE, not fulltiming the set.
The idea is that if a fight goes on long enough that he's using this ability somewhere other than the start (where it's possible to avoid that initial hate boost), he will be able to reduce the effect of using said ability.
Also, dread spikes is not always viable.
Edited, Jul 7th 2010 5:50pm by xypin
The idea is that if a fight goes on long enough that he's using this ability somewhere other than the start (where it's possible to avoid that initial hate boost), he will be able to reduce the effect of using said ability.
Also, dread spikes is not always viable.
Edited, Jul 7th 2010 5:50pm by xypin
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right, and i told him 1) wait till hate is established, and that sh*t won't happen (as often/early) and 2) if he wants to carry around 10 or so pieces of gear just to use lr/se, then to do it but it's not that big of a deal vs the hassle of getting it/carrying it.
it sounds like a combination of the op's tanks maybe not being up to snuff, or the op's just annoyed (like nearly every gets at some point) at the way drk is set up as a job. i know i've bitched and moaned about it enough myself over the years.
edit: in very few situations will it matter that the mob turns towards a random DD and swats it once or twice before going back to the tank. this isn't warhammer where every mob has a spike-flail type move it uses when aggro shifts. don't stand on faffy's tail and do dumb stuff. really not a big deal, know the strat for w/e event you're doing and keep your spurs from jingling and jangling too early in the fight.
Edited, Jul 7th 2010 3:58pm by gigasnail
it sounds like a combination of the op's tanks maybe not being up to snuff, or the op's just annoyed (like nearly every gets at some point) at the way drk is set up as a job. i know i've bitched and moaned about it enough myself over the years.
edit: in very few situations will it matter that the mob turns towards a random DD and swats it once or twice before going back to the tank. this isn't warhammer where every mob has a spike-flail type move it uses when aggro shifts. don't stand on faffy's tail and do dumb stuff. really not a big deal, know the strat for w/e event you're doing and keep your spurs from jingling and jangling too early in the fight.
Edited, Jul 7th 2010 3:58pm by gigasnail
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Can anyone provide me with some math that would prove my enm set to not be as useful as i would think? Thats actually what im looking for. Math.
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Perhaps what im asking is a bit too in depth...It's maintenance so i did the math myself...
Lets say the target mob is lvl 90 and has a VE modifier of 3.93
With my enm down set, i'd have a reduction of 377 total VE.
VE = VE mod x damage dealt
377 = 3.93 x [some amount of damage amount of damage]
So i could do 80 more damage if i used this enm down set. If i do 79 more dmg from a WS, I just obtained my goal.
1500 hp (roughly) x 12%(SE) x4hit(guillotine) = extra 720 dmg.
Ya ok not even close enough.
1500hp x 12% x1(spinning slash) = 180 extra damage
No way.....
As for LR with those 2 ws, i'm not even going to do the math because both will give me +80 more dmg.
So basically, this would only work if you popped LR, and then didnt WS. You would do too much DMG after 1 swing with SE to make it worth it
This idea mathwise sucks ; ;
Edited, Jul 7th 2010 8:19pm by FosgateUnicorn
Lets say the target mob is lvl 90 and has a VE modifier of 3.93
With my enm down set, i'd have a reduction of 377 total VE.
VE = VE mod x damage dealt
377 = 3.93 x [some amount of damage amount of damage]
So i could do 80 more damage if i used this enm down set. If i do 79 more dmg from a WS, I just obtained my goal.
1500 hp (roughly) x 12%(SE) x4hit(guillotine) = extra 720 dmg.
Ya ok not even close enough.
1500hp x 12% x1(spinning slash) = 180 extra damage
No way.....
As for LR with those 2 ws, i'm not even going to do the math because both will give me +80 more dmg.
So basically, this would only work if you popped LR, and then didnt WS. You would do too much DMG after 1 swing with SE to make it worth it
This idea mathwise sucks ; ;
Edited, Jul 7th 2010 8:19pm by FosgateUnicorn
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LR/SE also generate VE, which will rapidly decay all by its lonesome over time, and fairly quickly at that.
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