im trying to plan my way through a pld setup, and i am having a hard time finding a good shield guide. from what i understand, plds can easily cap buckler shield proc rate, im wondering how much +shield skill ill need to cap round shield rate, and then again for kite shield on IT mobs. the most +skill i plan on having is 20 (with master shield) or 10 (af boots).
will i be in a catch22 situation where with the extra shield skill and smaller size im on shield overkill but moving up to a kite shield and losing that skill will put me well under cap?
please advise.
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Lv75 Elvaan Thief, Dragoon, Warrior, Black Mage, Ninja, Bard
Number of times I have reached 75 because of death: 100
Total Merits: 432 Levels until Maat Cap: 37
Why fight like a man when I can fight like a chick with a bear?
Number of times I have reached 75 because of death: 100
Total Merits: 432 Levels until Maat Cap: 37
Why fight like a man when I can fight like a chick with a bear?
Once I hit 50, my shield stayed roughly 5 under cap. And I used Kite shield the whole way up. Using a smaller shield will result in more skill ups (since you'll have more chances to block) but the damage you'll reduce will not be the same. You'll actually reduce more with a decent block rate by using Kite type shields.
My guide actually has what I would (obviously) consider to be an optimal shield path. Tanking With DD Gear - A Guide. You REALLY do want a Size 3 shield. In case I haven't stressed it enough.
P.S. Get a Size 3 Shield.
My guide actually has what I would (obviously) consider to be an optimal shield path. Tanking With DD Gear - A Guide. You REALLY do want a Size 3 shield. In case I haven't stressed it enough.
P.S. Get a Size 3 Shield.
Leviathan - PLD90, BLU90, MNK 90, DRG 78
i apprieciate the answer, but would you mind either pointing me to a link with the formulas/explaniations behind it or briefly gonig onver it here? i prefer to understand why rahter than simply doing as im told.
also; pointless karmabomb go! rate up to counter.
Edited, Apr 8th 2009 3:20pm by Buront
also; pointless karmabomb go! rate up to counter.
Edited, Apr 8th 2009 3:20pm by Buront
Lv75 Elvaan Thief, Dragoon, Warrior, Black Mage, Ninja, Bard
Number of times I have reached 75 because of death: 100
Total Merits: 432 Levels until Maat Cap: 37
Why fight like a man when I can fight like a chick with a bear?
Number of times I have reached 75 because of death: 100
Total Merits: 432 Levels until Maat Cap: 37
Why fight like a man when I can fight like a chick with a bear?
First, I'll direct you here: FFXIclopedia's entry on Shields.
Specifically, I'll quote two paragraphs from there:
I know that doesn't constitute unrefutable proof, but it doesn't take long to test it out yourself. Master Shield isn't that expensive. And, you should have received a Kite Shield, at least, when you unlocked PLD. If not, it's fairly cheap to get a good size 3 shield you can use. Go out, find some EM mobs, and go to town blocking them. You can eyeball the difference on this, really. Yeah, the Master Shield will block more often than the others due to higher shield gear, as well, so you could always grab a different buckler if you think it's the +shield skill gear affecting it, but the results end up the same.
There were a ton of posts about this shortly after the change occurred, but they're buried pretty far back. If you're looking for more information, you could go digging back through a few years worth of posts.
Edit: Here's a specific link I came across trying to find things to link for you. http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/jobs.html?fjob=5&mid=1180062662109938677
Edited, Apr 8th 2009 1:32pm by Dracoth
Specifically, I'll quote two paragraphs from there:
FFXIclopedia wrote:
The smaller shields will block more frequently, but will reduce the damage by a small amount whereas the larger shield will block more damage but will trigger less often.
FFXIclopedia wrote:
Size 3 shields generally offer the most efficient balance of block rate and damage reduction outside of the Aegis. A Paladin with enough Shield Skill can get close to the block rate cap with a size 3 shield, but not with a size 4.
I know that doesn't constitute unrefutable proof, but it doesn't take long to test it out yourself. Master Shield isn't that expensive. And, you should have received a Kite Shield, at least, when you unlocked PLD. If not, it's fairly cheap to get a good size 3 shield you can use. Go out, find some EM mobs, and go to town blocking them. You can eyeball the difference on this, really. Yeah, the Master Shield will block more often than the others due to higher shield gear, as well, so you could always grab a different buckler if you think it's the +shield skill gear affecting it, but the results end up the same.
There were a ton of posts about this shortly after the change occurred, but they're buried pretty far back. If you're looking for more information, you could go digging back through a few years worth of posts.
Edit: Here's a specific link I came across trying to find things to link for you. http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/jobs.html?fjob=5&mid=1180062662109938677
Edited, Apr 8th 2009 1:32pm by Dracoth
Leviathan - PLD90, BLU90, MNK 90, DRG 78
thank you for the reply. i wasn't aware of which is where alot of my misunderstanding was coming from.
Quote:
In addition to the type of the shield, the defense rating of the shield also affects the amount of damage absorbed during a shield block: each point of defense seems to be an additional 0.5% damage reduction.
Lv75 Elvaan Thief, Dragoon, Warrior, Black Mage, Ninja, Bard
Number of times I have reached 75 because of death: 100
Total Merits: 432 Levels until Maat Cap: 37
Why fight like a man when I can fight like a chick with a bear?
Number of times I have reached 75 because of death: 100
Total Merits: 432 Levels until Maat Cap: 37
Why fight like a man when I can fight like a chick with a bear?
Quote:
In addition to the type of the shield, the defense rating of the shield also affects the amount of damage absorbed during a shield block: each point of defense seems to be an additional 0.5% damage reduction.
I've asked this before but never got a response, so I'll try again. Does anyone have a link to any testing confirming the "DEF = block effectiveness" idea? When it was first proposed, people didn't seem to be able to reproduce the effects. It seemed like the idea was abandoned when no one could duplicate it, but I've seen it cited a few times recently. This makes me wonder whether there was conclusive testing that I missed, or it was simply added to wiki and taken at face value without ever having been verified.
Included in my earlier thread, Cae. It's a WAR doing the tests, but he shows the results - no actual data presented, though. There was some pretty heavy discussion about it, too.
Leviathan - PLD90, BLU90, MNK 90, DRG 78
I can only offer my own testing on the subject. It predates the whole Def theory, and honestly the numbers I got were so damned "neat" (everything falling cleanly into multiplies of 5) that I never bought into the theory since no data was actually presented.
http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/paladin/55139-shield-data-size-2-vs-size-3-a.html
Against DC mobs, Master Shield didn't present any actual improvement in proc rate over a different Size 2 shield. Between that and the fact that the proc rate of Size 3's in my tests was almost the same as Size 2's, I simply wouldn't bother.
P.S. Most of the info is summarized in posts 2 and 15.
Edited, Apr 13th 2009 2:05pm by Doval
http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/paladin/55139-shield-data-size-2-vs-size-3-a.html
Against DC mobs, Master Shield didn't present any actual improvement in proc rate over a different Size 2 shield. Between that and the fact that the proc rate of Size 3's in my tests was almost the same as Size 2's, I simply wouldn't bother.
P.S. Most of the info is summarized in posts 2 and 15.
Edited, Apr 13th 2009 2:05pm by Doval
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