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#1 Jun 01 2008 at 9:14 PM Rating: Decent
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Hey there. I currently have three Lv75 jobs: WHM, BRD, and BLU. SCH is my next job to 75 (hopefully), and I was wondering if I should merit enfeebling (or enhancing?) on WHM or whether I should just wait until SCH is 75 in order to merit elemental magic.

Possible scenarios:
Blue Magic 8/8
Elemental 8/8

Elemental 8/8
Enfeebling 8/8

Elemental 8/8
Singing 4/4
Wind 4/4



Basically my question is this: Is enfeebling or enhancing magic worth meriting for SCH?
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#2 Jun 02 2008 at 4:20 AM Rating: Good
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Illuminatus wrote:
Basically my question is this: Is enfeebling or enhancing magic worth meriting for SCH?


It depends on what you're doing as SCH. Elemental merits never hurt to have on SCH, but having two other mages at 75 will make it more difficult for you to specialize each job class.

If I were you, I'd not merit for SCH until you're 75 and have an idea of the roles you'll be asked to perform.
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#3 Jun 02 2008 at 7:25 AM Rating: Good
You actually are going to have to wait until your SCH is 75 to merit Elemental Magic, just so you know. You can only merit magic or combat skills that your current 75 job possesses. If you're going to be doing endgame as a magical DD then Elemental Magic merits are definitely the way to go, and will help regardless with your nuking.

Blue Magic will be useful only if your taking BLU to endgame activities (it's not typically considered to be very useful, you can probably forgo it.)

Singing/Wind/String are helpful if you get pushed up to a new tier for important buffs with them (check out the bard forums), or if you're getting resisted on debuffs. Depending on your particular gearset and which activities you do, it will be more or less useful, it's best to decide with what your linkshell wants or expects from you in mind, but they can also be helpful. I love my 8 Singing merits, but if all you intend to do is merit with bard, then they're very replaceable.

White Mage needs no magic merits, period. I'm sure you probably already know that, but it's worth stating. Enfeebling is an old favorite of White Mages who only have WHM at 75 and want to enhance WHM in any way possible, but it's thoroughly dispensible for White Mage itself.

For Scholar, Enfeebling Magic can be useful if your Linkshell relies on you for crowd control in events, but otherwise it can be replaced. I wouldn't probably try to think of Enfeebling in terms of competing with a Red Mage, you aren't trying to compete for single target enfeebles. Any Red Mage worth their salt should be able to run circles around you in that department. The jewel of Scholarly enfeebling is the ability to AoE certain enfeebles that other jobs cannot. If you see use in this department then those merits would be invaluable.

Overall, unless you need Singing (or instrument skills) or Blue Magic, I would probably recommend 8/8 Enfeebling Magic and 8/8 Elemental Magic. If you have to do without one or the other of those, really think of them in terms of crowd control versus nuking.
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#4 Jun 04 2008 at 4:27 AM Rating: Good
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AnaxagorasZ wrote:
Blue Magic will be useful only if your taking BLU to endgame activities (it's not typically considered to be very useful, you can probably forgo it.)


Actually... BLU skill is very very powerful for BLU.
-Raises att value for BLU physical spells.
-Affects base dmg of BLU physical spells.
-Affects potency of certain spells (diamondhide etc).
-Increases acc of BLU magic/breath spells.
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#5 Jun 04 2008 at 10:32 AM Rating: Decent
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I found this post to be both unhelpful and needlessly antagonistic.

AnaxagorasZ wrote:
You actually are going to have to wait until your SCH is 75 to merit Elemental Magic, just so you know. You can only merit magic or combat skills that your current 75 job possesses. If you're going to be doing endgame as a magical DD then Elemental Magic merits are definitely the way to go, and will help regardless with your nuking.

I know full well that you can't merit elemental as a white mage... Obviously that would be merited on SCH main. I have three Lv75 jobs, so I'd appreciate it if you didn't talk at me like a n00b. kthxbai

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Blue Magic will be useful only if your taking BLU to endgame activities (it's not typically considered to be very useful, you can probably forgo it.)

As the poster above me said, this is in fact a very useful skill. I use BLU for Nyzul/Assault, BCNM/KSNM, soloing various things for friends, campaign, besieged, ... the list goes on and on. It'd be very useful, that's why I listed it prominently in my possible scenarios. My question was whether meriting enhancing/enfeebling as SCH would be MORE beneficial than this.

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Singing/Wind/String are helpful if you get pushed up to a new tier for important buffs with them (check out the bard forums), or if you're getting resisted on debuffs. Depending on your particular gearset and which activities you do, it will be more or less useful, it's best to decide with what your linkshell wants or expects from you in mind, but they can also be helpful. I love my 8 Singing merits, but if all you intend to do is merit with bard, then they're very replaceable.

Again, fully meriting these is for an extra 1% haste is a waste, in my opinion. Mobs that resist my debuffs (HNMs) will still probably resist them with full merits. It'd help on EXP mobs for sure, but I don't want to dump merits into them just for the rare colibri that resists my lullaby. Again, I figure the other options can get more use out of these.

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White Mage needs no magic merits, period. I'm sure you probably already know that, but it's worth stating. Enfeebling is an old favorite of White Mages who only have WHM at 75 and want to enhance WHM in any way possible, but it's thoroughly dispensible for White Mage itself.

Uh, yeah, that's why I didn't mention it except to say that I can merit enfeebling/enhancing on it for SCH.

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For Scholar, Enfeebling Magic can be useful if your Linkshell relies on you for crowd control in events, but otherwise it can be replaced. I wouldn't probably try to think of Enfeebling in terms of competing with a Red Mage, you aren't trying to compete for single target enfeebles. Any Red Mage worth their salt should be able to run circles around you in that department. The jewel of Scholarly enfeebling is the ability to AoE certain enfeebles that other jobs cannot. If you see use in this department then those merits would be invaluable.

I figure that I'll be using manifestation+enfeebles quite often, especially for Einherjar and possibly some Limbus.

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Overall, unless you need Singing (or instrument skills) or Blue Magic, I would probably recommend 8/8 Enfeebling Magic and 8/8 Elemental Magic. If you have to do without one or the other of those, really think of them in terms of crowd control versus nuking.

I figure elemental magic would help, but I'm still unsure how much nuking I'll be doing endgame (versus AOE enfeebling).
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#6 Jun 05 2008 at 7:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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I found this post to be both unhelpful and needlessly antagonistic.

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AnaxagorasZ wrote:
You actually are going to have to wait until your SCH is 75 to merit Elemental Magic, just so you know. You can only merit magic or combat skills that your current 75 job possesses. If you're going to be doing endgame as a magical DD then Elemental Magic merits are definitely the way to go, and will help regardless with your nuking.
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I found this post to be both unhelpful and needlessly antagonistic.

Whats the point of your question? Apparently, you already have it all figured out anyways, so why even ask?

Your OP in no way asks anything but "is it worth it for SCH?" You dont mention what actiovities you do with BLU. You dont say what you do with BRD. You dont specifically ask whether meriting enfeebling or enhancing is BETTER than meriting for BLU or BRD. In fact, your opening statement is all fuddled, as you ask "Should you merit enfeeble, or wait till SCH 75 to merit elemental?" So... part one asks one question, your scenarios suggest another, and you end with a final question different from them both? Then, at the end of your chew-out post, you restate a scenario in which it SEEMS you are deciding between a nuking aspect and enfeeble aspect... Unsure of which you will use more.

How are we to know?

So, as you didnt give enough information in your post, you get a response that covers all possibilities. All told, the response you blasted was well formed and very polite. There was nothing in the post to even hint that the poster meant anything but to be helpful.

While your OP does state that you know you would have to wait till SCH 75 to merit elemental, I understand how a helpful poster might overlook that part. So what if he gives you knowledge you already have? Skip it and move on to the next part. There are level 75s out there that dont know some of the most basic aspects of the game, not because they are stupid or noobish, but because they have never had to face the situation. In the end, it doesnt hurt to repeat information already known, but it can hurt to not provide information not known.

As to the BLU merits, it seems the person was uninformed. BLU merits seem to be useful in more than just endgame... but regardless, the persons suggestion was to avoid BLU merits UNLESS you used it in endgame. It seems you do participate in endgame, so then MAKE UP YOUR OWN MIND ON IT!

The person talks of BRD merits. Says specifically "merits on BRD are to push yourself up a rank, or to improve debuff resists. Check the BRD forum." They then state that it is dependent on your gear and what you do with BRD, and what your LS mates might suggest. They never say you should put 8 points in anything, they merely state that they like their personal 8 singing skill. And nowhere did he say you should buff it for an extra 1% haste... He didnt make any specific call, as again YOU DIDNT PROVIDE ENOUGH INFORMATION.

WHM merits, the poster starts off with saying "WHM doesnt need em, AS YOU PROBABLY ALREADY KNOW." So, it turns out you know. As he figured.

For SCH, he points out the uses of enfeeble and elemental. He points out that in a one-on-one vs RDM, they are a waste. RDM wins everytime. But then states if you use AoE enfeebles, you beat the RDM there and meriting enfeeble would be well worth the effort. So, yet again, his opinion is very open and clear. He states the scenarios, I think accurately, and leaves it up to YOU to decide based on your playstyle.

He ends by stating his final opinion, which is "If you dont need the BRD and BLU, then he suggests enfeeble and elemental. If you do, then picking between elemental and enfeeble is dependent on what you perceive you will be doing more of."


All in all, Id say it was a very helpful opinion on matters, other than the apparent mistake in BLU merits.

Next time, give explicit and detailed information, or realize we cant read you mind ant take general advice. And when you are asking for advice, apparently you dont know everything. So how are we supposed to assume what you do and dont know? Again, be explicit, or deal. Dont get so bent out of shape, especially when you were the one that was asking for help, and the poster was trying to help you.


Either that, or stop asking for advice and just make up your own mind.

#7 Jun 05 2008 at 8:36 AM Rating: Default
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OP question: is enfeebling or enhancing magic worth meriting for SCH?

ambigiousness: one or the other, or both

short answerr: merit 8elemental skill and 8enfeebling skill for sch

obvious answer: merit 8elemental skill and 8enfeebling skill for sch

thought out answer: merit 8elemental skill and 8enfeebling skill for sch

considering your many 75s: merit what u feel u must, seriously. a forum isnt going to help you unless you honestly dont know which is better

#8 Jun 05 2008 at 9:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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I found this post to be both unhelpful and needlessly antagonistic.


You thought HIS post was antagonistic? The post that was the most well-written and thought out up to that point? Okay.

Are you a troll or something?

I don't think you know what antagonistic means, lol.

Also, if you do not want honest advice, maybe you should stop wasting everyone else's time by asking for it.

Edited, Jun 5th 2008 1:19pm by Fynlar
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