Enspellgas! Damn it they work!Follow

I was getting 2s with ice before the update too. I just assumed it didn't work, because colibri have obnoxious resistance. When he posted he was getting 7s, I tried it again at 63 and got 2s again (before the update as well). So I figured I'd wait 2-3 levels and try again. I don't think it was patched. Honestly, my gear is pretty gimped as far as INT/MND, so a lot could be improved in that department; that's why I'm curious as to what his gear stats were.

after reading this long and exhausting thread, really this is what it boils down to

just recapping. nothing new to hear.

aside from being super specific on resistances.

the fact is.
- 40mp~ for 400-600 damage
*more so for the melee one-hander parties.
name one spells thats that effective.

and aside from that, sch can still heal and do other things.

also note that just cause it doesnt work on one mob doesnt mean it sucks
god knows everyone shines in some areas,

if it worked on everything it would be broken.
esp. for 40mp~ and 400-600 damage.

most things are situational so is this. just like monks and skeleton.

im not saying anything new, just sayin i dont see how anyone could have anything bad to say about it when the damage to mp ratio is amazing.

I just want to point out that the fastest hitting jobs will love SCH/rdm enspells the most. MNK is the fastest hitting job. The best two earrings for MNK are Brutal (even more speed) and Hollow. Hollow will increase enspell damage. MNK parties with SCH in them (RDM, BRD, SCH, MNK, MNK, MNK) are going to be insane.

That is all.

Goblins are weak to light, that's why.

I know, I'm just saying it did 2s, even though they're pretty much neutral to all elements. It's weird that it jumps from 8s to 2s for everything. I've never seen it consistently do 4s on a mob.


EDIT: Enwater and enblizzard only did 2s on magmatic erucas (fire crawlers). Kinda strange.

Edited, Dec 7th 2007 7:46pm by Nateypoo

I find it even more astonishing that people are staring at their karma so much to even notice a rate down or two...

Ahaha... oh wait you were serious. Let me laugh harder. Ahahahahaha!

I was a refresh spammer too. Oh yes, I fondly remember being a lowbie RDM, lobbing Protection and Refresh spells in parties and soloing like crazy with my Phalanx, Stoneskin, Barspell, Refresh, Regen, Protect, Shell, Enspell, Spikes, Blink... You get the idea.

My enhancing skill upon reaching level 75 was a pitiful 196. Thats a massive 80 points below its cap. It took months of non stop spammage, soloing and merit parties to finally reach the cap. The skill up rates on Enhancing suck BADLY. Spam Refresh all you want, it won't cap your skill anytime soon. Try spamming barspells instead. The recast and casting time is much faster.

The only skill RDM will cap quickly is Enfeebling skill (or SHOULD, if they're doing their job) because (a) It targets enemies, and as everyone should know by now, actions on tough mobs give better skill ups, and (b) A RDM often opens with several important enfeebles in normal XP (Slow, Paralyze, Dia) as well as link control (Sleep, Sleep II).

Back on topic, though, I find it kinda worrying that the damage totals are so crap on Enspellgas.

Looking at it from my perspective, I can happily strike Tough-VT monsters for 15-20 damage per blow with enspells. Using my White Mage (Sub RDM) enhancing skill, I can still land a solid 13-17 damage on those same opponents. It seems the damage is watered down? Perhaps as a result of it becoming AoE?

If im not mistaken, a Scholar using it would have Light Arts active, which would raise their enhancing magic to a B ranked skill. Surely that should compensate for any resistance issues...

Edited, Dec 8th 2007 3:16am by Crystan

Someone good at math needs to figure this out: How much dmg does 1 RDM with a 15-20 enspell do compared to 3-4 DDs of varying sorts doing 6-8? I'm willing to bet the 3-4 DDs wins.

Right now we're seeing almost exactly half normal damage. From that alone you'd assume just 2 melees would equal the rdm, but also remember melees have better accuracy(en's don't proc on misses) and hit a LOT faster. You'd be putting these spells on things like wars, mnks, nins, thfs that attack very fast, have things like double/tripple attack traits, and multi-attacking weapons.

Even then though it's not really a competition cause you're just adding extra damage.

so a friend of mine was trying to see besides if like enfirega would work, what if like ice spikes could too. he tried it on both light and dark arts. it didnt work. but i just wondered if anyone else tried or ever thought of that. I also wondered maybe Phalanx would work too. also stoneskin and auqaviel. just some ideas to think on.

Everyone here already understands that enspells off a main job are around 14-20 damage per hit. We've already had a lengthy discussion on it, trying to figure out why we're getting exactly half this on certain mobs. You're either telling us something we already know in a completely convoluted manner, or you're just plain confused and talking out your ass.


orly? Thanks for the pro tip.

I was referring to the fact that damage jumps from critical resists up to half/full damage, if the person you cast it on has significant enhancing skill. For example, everyone could be hitting for 2s and a PLD with maxed enhancing could be hitting for 7s and 14s.

"Clearly" the spells would never be zero, since it's based on a fractional resist of the scholar's maximum damage. The minimum damage would instead be a 1/8th or 1/16th resist of the scholar's maximum damage. This is ~1-2 damage for a 14-20 damage enspell, which is exactly what we're seeing, unless the person cast on has enhancing skill. If you're trying to argue here, you best make sure you understand how fractional resists work, because it's the entire topic of this conversation.


It's not random. Over 90% of the hits are landing for 2s with one element and 7s with another. This corresponds to 1/8th and 1/2th resists respectively. If what saevellakshmi says is true, there may be a stat that pushes the floor damage from 2s to 7s (i.e. greater than a 50% resist would be impossible). The damage floor is definitely not "random". If 90% of the hits are landing for 7s, you will NEVER see damage below a 7.


I don't know what you're trying to prove, but you're being snotty and an airhead. That tends to upset people. Either you're a piss-poor communicator or you're really clueless -- I really don't care which, but it's annoying. Figure out wtf your problem is, and we'll be considerably less hostile. Also, don't say something is "clear" when it's either unclear or incorrect. Likewise, do not say we can "say for sure ... [bad info]". Arrogant blanket statements only work if you're precise and correct the majority of the time. It's very hard to tell if you're just sloppy with your terminology or whatever; but I'm highly suspicious that you really have no clue, and you have no business butting your head into a topic you're not educated on.

Don't worry he just talks out of his ass. He's the same guy who was telling rdms a couple weeks after sch had been out that sch gets aoe para, silence, slow, dia II, as well as raise II and cure V.

to provide a little data for this. I had a sch in my party against beetles in garlaige at L46. I told him to use enbliz-ga against the beetles, and we all hit for 5 every single time except the pld who hit a few 11s here and there.

Half resist exactly and I'm a dnc. No i'm not subbing a mage job.