RDM - The ultimate brew job?Follow

I'd probably lean toward a Wildfire COR as best. Properly geared/atma'd, they can literally break the damage cap for the chat log. Not sure if any other job is capable of that at the moment.

Anyway, how you brew your RDM would probably be a toss-up between AE and CS Blizz 4. Latter might do more, but you're obviously restricted to having CS up.

As for gear, both would basically be INT and MATK for both. For AE, you'd want to main-hand a Martial Knife while using Gales, Smiting Blow, and the third Minikin. Blizz you'll want the magian staff, Beyond, Minikin, and then a third good nuking atma like Ultimate, or in this case, maybe Undying for more Ice+.

Easily accessible gear would probably be Witchstone, AF3 head, feud pendant, moldy, INT earring, Augur body (teal if not), Eradico mitts, INT rings, potentia cape, AF3 legs, then whatever INT/MATK feet you can get your hands on. You can do better with +2 things, the earring from Rani, and so on, but most of that isn't too hard to get.

Edited, Mar 29th 2011 11:46am by Seriha

True, SB would be better. Tends to stay off my radar since it's sub-specific. Keeping AE as an option for dark resist mobs isn't a bad idea, though.

Since you still have to wait on spells during CS, I'd put more like 2 spells to 1 WS.

And yes, I'm not kidding about COR. The damage they can do exceeds 60k per WF if they're geared and atma'd right. It's a sickeningly strong magic WS even without brew.

Edited, Mar 29th 2011 4:44pm by Seriha

Brew just gives you +INT equal to whatever is required to get +999. If your naked then drink a brew you get +999, you put on gear and you can go over that.

Anyhow the reason I used MM atma was so that I could actually do something, honestly would of probably been better to use a MAB atma, but I think the same thing happens with those as does INT. Needs more research to figure out.

COR is without a doubt the king of the brew. As for RDM id say it is a toss up between SB and AE for most consistent damage via a brew, with chainspell being the best maximum burst damage when it is available and mob appropriate (ie. wont be healed by Blizz 4 spam). That being said I think the argument itself is pretty silly as Brews break most if not all jobs.

The reason COR is king is that you get 50TP/tick from Brew, so you can literally spam WSes until it wears off. Also, magic WS don't suffer from an fSTR cap like physical WS do, so SAM is out (Brewed Jinpu is decent, but not incredible). BLU certainly does put up a fight (a properly Atma'd BLU with Brew could probably 2-shot an entire zone worth of NMs with Charged Whisker > Thermal Pulse), but it can't spam spells like COR can spam WS. BST is surprisingly better than you'd think, due to Primal Rend being magical. BRD has Aeolian Edge, PLD has Sanguine Blade, so both are acceptable but not amazing.

Bear in mind, even if you don't have Wildfire, Leaden Salute will still rock just about any mob's socks under Brew, since it's a half-decent WS on its own and is magical.

They're not really created equal. % mods on WSes still matter (60% of 999 AGI[Wildfire] is much better than 30% of 999 AGI[Leaden Salute/Trueflight]), fTP still matters, MAB still matters, Element matters (due to Atma boosts, which I will cover in the next paragraph). Trueflight and Leaden Salute are incredibly similar, but COR gets better MAB gear (not to mention Wizard's Roll) than RNG does, on top of COR being useful in the rest of the evening's events (and remember due to TEs/Lights, switching jobs more often than is necessary is discouraged), whereas RNG is not much more than a lackluster DD otherwise.

Also bear in mind that the e-peen numbers come from a combination of Brew + Elemental Attack Atma. In order to get 60k Charged Whiskers, you need to have Lion/Blinding Horn set, whereas pimping Sanguine Blade (only 2.5 fTP at 100%TP compared to Wildfire's 5.5 fTP) will usually consist of Hell's Guardian/Ultimate/Cosmos. Leaden Salute is Dark, so setting Cosmos by itself boosts its damage by 40%. In order to get the same boost on Trueflight, you need to set Beyond + Sellsword, taking up two Atma slots instead of just one.



I couldn't say on the BST damage, because I've never seen a BST brew, but based on the mods, I'd guess it would do about as well as a RNG spamming Trueflight. I've brewed on NIN before (Shinryu), but I didn't try any San nukes due to not wanting to accidentally heal him (it's much easier to avoid with instant-use abilities like WS than with spells, which have a casting time).

Mainly it's due to Wildfire. I'm guessing since you're fairly new to Abyssea stuff, you've put Empyrean Weapons on the same "never gonna get one" shelf as Relic/Mythic, but they really are much more obtainable (particularly any that are Carabosse/Cirein-Croin, like Gun is) than their old-endgame counterparts, not to mention the WoE weapons that will become even more obtainable post-update (supposedly), which still give you the WS, just without Aftermath.

Edited, Apr 1st 2011 11:55am by Aliekber

What, exactly, is confusing you about Abyssea?

Sorry to nitpick, but RNG has access to the same MAB gear as COR. I'm fairly sure that RNG even has access to more AGI. The only reason COR can make better use of Wildfire is because of AF3+2 feet for the 20% damage boost.

Edited, Apr 1st 2011 4:44pm by Chewzer

Well, technically COR has access to a couple of pieces of MAB gear that RNG doesn't, but those pieces are outclassed by pieces that both RNG and COR can wear. The piece of COR gear that you're probably thinking of is AF head. It doesn't give MAB, but it gives a boost to your gun's base damage during Quick Draw.

Edited, Apr 1st 2011 5:14pm by Chewzer

Because COR can do this.

Ok need to stop the nonsense. A BLU wouldn't be doing charged whisker or ~ANY~ spells, the casting times are too long. Instead you'd be spamming WS either Sang Blade or Flash Nova (if target immune to dark damage). Not all magic WS's are created equal, especially with how they treat fINT and WSC's. Sang Blade has three stats that boost damage, 50% MND, 30% STR and roughly 2x fINT bonus without a cap. Anything gained from equipment would be nearly unnoticeable once a brew is activated because +20 is next to nothing when your looking at 999. This also applies to COR, you should be spamming Leaden Salute at point blank range. Chainspelling on RDM is a bad idea, instead use a sub that gives you S.blade and spam it, 35~45K every few seconds will beat out anything chainspell can do. You can even gather multiple NM's into the same area and spam A.Edge for 20~25K a pop.

There is no "best at brewing" job, all jobs can brew equally because you can kill any NM in 10s or less no matter the job. A BST can spam primal rend, a SMN can use cataclysm or garland of bliss, BRD can do a.edge or sang blade, a NIN has Yu. Many magic based WS that we think are weak sauce get supercharged during a brew due to how MAB / fINT work combined with the +damage atmas. And seriously why are we discussing this topic when any semi competent player with access to a magic WS can brew something dead in seconds while being naked and no subjob. There is no min/maxing required and only elemental atma's will make much of a difference.

What's this about stopping the nonsense? I already laid out the reasons why spamming a WS is better than casting spells (no recast, there is a single best Atma setup per WS so you don't have to use general MAB atma when an Elemental Attack one is available, no delay to screw you on mobs that heal from elemental damage during TP moves).

Certain jobs do better than others, and the difference does matter. 1-shotting a mob is better than 3-shotting it if you're using a Magian Log/Conflux/Martello to abuse your timer and kill batches of mobs, since you'll spend less time out-of-menu.

It wouldn't matter if people didn't still fail, even with brew. The fact that when I got my Rani win, the brewer used no less than FOUR BREWS to take her down is a testament that we at least need to nail down the most effective brewing methods for our job, so that doesn't happen.

Rate up +1

No matter what SE does, you can't cure "stupid". When I first got into my Abyssea shell they did a "once around the world" evening where we did almost every quest boss and every chesspiece NM in order to get all the new people to Shinryu. We didn't brew a single one of them and still managed to get all procs on each one (to teach the new people). You don't need to brew Rani... ever. It just makes the fight much quicker and safer.

Seriously ... four fcking brews...

The bonus from brew takes your stats to 999 regardless of your gear and stat levels. So stat bonus such as INT are redundant as the more you add the less the brew adjusts it. If you have +110 in nuking gear to INT that is 110 less that the brew does not add. This can be seen in the many screen shots of brew stats, with all stats having varying numbers depending on the required amount to get to 999. So no, gear is of minor consideration, unless it is MAB or ATK.

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Talk:Primeval_Brew

Stat picture half way down the page shows what I mean.

Edited, Apr 6th 2011 11:26am by rdmcandie

So which was your group, stupid or uninformed?

Of course a BLU would use spells, that's just not the only thing they should be doing. I've seen multiple screens of Charged Whisker doing 60k+ damage; you think they should just ignore that?Except when a WS like Wildfire comes along with a 60% modifier; double that of many elemental weaponskills. It also has the luxury of equipping 2 elemental damage atmas, which obviously not all WS can do. While finishing my Armageddon, I was able to kill 8 Isgebinds with each brew, and that's on a mob with natural -50% MDT. No other weaponskill can do that.I'm fairly sure that a brew doesn't adjust as you change gear, so you can use the brew naked, then equip gear. 110 on top of 999 does make a considerable difference.

Edit: quoting fail

Edited, Apr 8th 2011 3:07pm by Chewzer

It's likely that Brew determines how much it needs to buff you to take you to 999 at the time of use (and that it doesn't dynamically adjust itself whenever you gearswap), so if you used it naked and then put on your gear, theoretically it should give you both your gear bonus and Brew bonus. If that did work (I don't know for sure, so this is pure speculation), I'd be worried about adding more than +25 of a stat, because I'd think that STR, INT, and other stats would only go to a max of 1024 before wrapping around to 0 again. If that's not the case, though, then great.

Edited, Apr 8th 2011 1:51pm by Aliekber

OHHHHH I see what you mean, totally mistook what you put. you go naked and get to 999, then put gear on and break it. But ya, id watch out for the 1024 thing would be funny to nuke a brew because you went to 1025 and it effectively made your INT 1.

you mean getting naked?

Congrats, now get a twilight dagger!. Also does this mean I was right?

Ffirst time for everything I suppose.

Except WF out damages Sanguine, so it doesn't matter its stronger and therefore better case closed.

I dont get what you are arguing, or why. 1 Shot > 2 Shots. Even if it is only by a couple seconds ergo it is better. Period.