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Alright I am back to the game as of last week and have been farting around and am looking for adventure, be it old school or new school. Apart from AF3+2 items what can I change in my Sang build to give it more oomph.

Joy/Bubu-/witchstone
Hecates/Feud Pend./Phantom./Moldy
Teal/Duelist/Snow/Diamond
(um STR/INT=6 cape 86 can't recall name)/(=7INT belt can't recall name)/teal/deulist

Im thinking Zenith for hands, obviously Novio would be best, but maybe and INT ear, a Snow ring (or the INT/STR ring). Other than that is their much I can change outside of AF3+2?

um (currently does about 780 on Puppets in Ro'Meave.)

also does AE get affected by DEX? or should I just stack INT for it?.



Edited, Feb 22nd 2011 10:53pm by rdmcandie

Ya i been messing around with my various WS sets for AW and have found that pure MAB is the way to go (getting a little over 650 per mob atm in sky) I tried mixing DEX and INT and it was much less spectacular.

As for the sang gear, outside of AF3 am I overlooking anything for some reason I havent been able to access the Wiki for a couple days, so can't investigate INT/MAB comparisons on gear I can go for, and those items I listed are just off the top of my head from memory. Im thinking Zmitts are almost a must get considering the ease of sky gods now, but for the life of me I can't seem to find anything else that overly trumps what I have else where. (except novio of course and a ring upgrade.)

I have to admit though I am pleasantly surprised at AE. Ive been soloing away in Ro'Meave/Sky depending on popularity of the zones, and /BLU I just back my ass into a corner, tank the required mobs (ro'meave) or a majority of them (sky) and just AoE them down all at once, it has increase my kill time by tremendous amounts.

(makes me want to acquire Zmitts and Novio all the more, for the additional 12% MAB, and when I get 90 ill go up 16 more to something silly like 60%.)

Martial Knife definitely makes a BIG difference and unless you have that PW atma or you have the WotG earring with Store TP on it I'd imagine that either the TP bonus +100 or a MAB +30 atma would be the way to go. It would probably depend on your current MAB though. I know Thief's do more with the extra 30 MAB but I wouldn't be surprised if the TP bonus is better for Rdm since we already have so much MAB from gear.

Eradico mitts can replace the zenith mitts...and i think they are easier to get. For the body I would go for augur's jaseran (sp?) as it is a pretty nasty peice to wear. If you can get someone to help you brew rani you can get the hecates earring...a lot cheaper than novio (although both would be sex). And the af+1 pants are better than those crappy teal. There is also the possibility if you want to really up your int to get augurs gloves (forgot what they are called) +7 INT +7 mnd. Usually can do 800-1100 on ep mobs...havent tried any sky mobs yet. Dont know if this helps.

Awesome thanks guys Are the first two item in Scars/Heroes zones? or Visions? Currently I am back for "free" as I await my updated CC to arrive in the mail lost it at the bar and obviously canceled it until i get it in the mail no scars or heroes so looking for progress I can make now.

Ovni is in Abyssea La Theine (Visions), Ulhuadshi is in Attowha (Scars). May be worth noting that if you figure you'll wind up with a +2 body down the line, then the Augur's will be somewhat of a moot point.

If all you have is Visions, working on Serpentes stuff might not be a bad idea. JSE neck is also quite nice if you maintain a MND build.

Hating Adze is perfectly acceptable. :x

13 INT 13 MND and some other stats, so it's only 1 INT better than AF3+2 body, but it's orders of magnitude easier to get. Basically, when you have 2 MAB Atma on (Beyond/Ultimate), it will outdo Teal most of the time. Also, it looks cool, so there's that.

Sky pops were changed a few updates ago (I think coinciding with Scars release, but could have been Heroes).

On a side note because I do not feel like making a rant thread about it. My god have T4 spells ever increased in price. Some are over 200K that is just disgusting. I suppose it is high time I went farming for them, Ive avoided getting Aero and Fire, and jeeez, economy in this game is all over the place.

Makes me glad I had every spell learned aside from BRD's and Reprisal before the 75 cap was lifted. Shelling out for the newer spells kinda sucked, but at least most have an NPC vendor to either ceiling a scroll's price or give you a last resort if you really need something. At least gold chest farming in Kon can be moderately effective for NPC gil.

You think they are easy to farm until you get there and find out that those mobs are being camped heavier then some pop NMs for Emp weapons

>.>

Looking at you Warlocks and Prelates.

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Edited, Feb 24th 2011 1:57pm by SlashAnonymous

yes as long as it says "ice attack +blah blah" it will apply to that elements attack power. Stormbird would only apply to acc and not matk power. So If you are doing stun or gravity/silence I suppose it would help....but really if you get something like atma of the impregnable tower which covers total macc you wouldnt really need that.

just some suggestions to play around with:

Allure - Nice mnd boost
*SCARS* Minkin Monstrosity - INT + refresh = holy shhh*@#(*
beyond - you already have
*SCARS* Razed ruin - one of the sickest atmas for DD crits...and since rdm has cdc for a crit ws (if you decide to get that) you get the idea
VV - you already have
*Heroes +scars* atma of apoc (will take you some time to get)
ultimate
cloak and dagger if you are going for evasion set (bitch to get though)

Since I dont have ultimate yet (i know stupid easy to get now) my usual nuke setup is MM, beyond (+30 matk), and baying moon(+30 matk)

DD setup is usually - RR, MM, and either strong arm or allure (for death blossom)

enfeeb setup - MM, allure, impreg tower.

lately i am noticing something odd though...and perhaps you might see this too depending on if you nuke. If I use MM + beyond + baying i seem to get the same nuke #s as if i use MM + beyond + something else not matk related. Is there some sort of cap on this? Or a diminishing returns like INT ? My gear matk is + 29 so i dont know whats up.

sorry to blab on here...hope this helps in some way

i do have evis...but unfortunately my dagger skill is something like 256 which is definately not capped...and no AE yet either....which i dont know why the feck im not doing that as I could basically solo a whole hoard of mobs in abyssea. But I have been working on cdc almace...so that has been taking priority over everything else ws wise. ANNND on top of that I have been really getting into blu lately farming all the spells etc. But rdm is slowly being pimped out and can generally hit 2400-2800 nuke on mobs in abyssea that are ep or dc...something around 1800-2k on ITs...and this is without ascetics tonic. My db set i havenet updated in a while though...and was usually doing crappy dmg cause i havent had any of the atmas that i have now :o

yeah i know :| I can get back to rdm now that my blu is 90. And Razed Ruins sounds like it would work nice with Evis :o

well now that i have discernment I am definately shooting for everything that shinryu drops when i get around to it :D

No Its MND STR and INT. Each point of INT is roughly 2D Two points of MND is 1D, and 3pts STR is 1D. (give or take %'s meshing up earlier on the later two sometimes).

I haven't really messed around on RDM with AE inside abyssea. I've done quite a bit of work with sang blade though. My current OMGWTF atma load out was Ultima + Cosmos + MM as a BLU/NIN with MAB set, got 2268 or something on scorps in altepa. I've seen some DNC and NIN's use Gales + Ultima + RR (can't remember) and crank out some pretty impressive AE numbers along with nice DoT from melee hits.

INT is a hidden value I take it, all I know is that it adds more damage then MND or STR. The Totm 10% MAB +9 INT Actually adds 18D + 10%. So for say a 900D Sang before hand you end up with just over a 1K Sang (on neutral targets of course.)

if you want to compare gear sets here is a site i use its never failed me
http://myffxigear.kicks-ass.org/
Confused

Edited, Mar 22nd 2011 3:06pm by xconfusedx

Good to know that it's not a big deal. I'm thinking I still might need it for BLU though for some of our new lv85+ spells. Umm... what exactly does CDC mean? I'm not familiar with that term.

DEX only if wiki is to be believed - 3-hit crit with 60% DEX mod.

It's one of the best Empyrean WS, especially inside Abyssea given how supercharged crit WS are there with the right Atmas.

The main hurdle for getting a Badelaire is the WoE currency - which SE may address in the upcoming update (or you can just suffer through it, likely within a weekend or three). Biggest thing there is that the same currency is also used for the GAxe and Katana, which are also the better Empyrean WS, and thus in demand.


There are other alternatives if you're prioritizing other jobs for upgrading a weapon (as I am). Inside Abyssea, with good Atmas, focusing on crit WS is usually solid - Evisceration is good for RDM. Honestly, BLU's MP needs get so offset, that without CDC the focus is more on spells, though Vorpal is solid too.
Sanguine Blade is great for Amber, unless trying to AoE, in which case Aeolian Edge is more of the thing for RDM.

'course, also keep in mind that much of what applies to WS, also applies to nuking with good Atmas.

Far as daggers go: Blau < Clement Skean ("fake relic") < Twilight Knife. That's all RDM's really gotten in terms of dagger upgrades in the past 15 levels.

If you're going for an Empyrean, I'd suggest going for a Kannagi over Almace. NIN's just a lot more useful in Abyssea than RDM is and I still say people have a hard time wanting to help a RDM improve their melee, so assistance can be a bit more difficult to get. You're only going to first have issue in this process when you get to Sobek, as Gukumatz is a timed spawn for one of its pop KIs and can be highly contested, likely even botted depending on who you're competing against. Hopefully this is one of those congestion issues SE plans on addressing, but bare minimum, you're probably gonna need 30 of this @#%^er to unlock Blade: Hi or CDC. The next phase will only really be more difficult due to the mob itself and just needing more items. There might be some congestion there, too, but I doubt it's as much of a bottleneck as Guku.

I should of probably said that the Almace was for both my RDM and BLU. I realize RDM isn't the most widely accepted melee class so it was more for my BLU. As I understand it, BLU and NIN are both very useful in Abyssea. I think I'm close to the VNM stage on my Almace as well. I'm not sure though, I might of gone the OAT route.

INT isn't a hidden value its part of the magic damage formula. fINT is what magic WS use instead of fSTR.

Damage = (( Lv+2+WSC ) * fTP + fINT ) * Resist * Elemental Staves * Weather * MDIF * Magic Damage Adjustment

fINT on wiki is a bit out of date,
fINT : function of your INT and target's INT

for WS, fINT = 8 + ΔINT/2
ΔINT : difference between your INT and target’s INT (caps at 24 for WS), making fINT cap at 32.

This was the old info when magic WS were all low level and weak. New info has demonstrated,

fINT = 8 + ΔINT*M

M being a value that can change depending on WS. For most older WS it was 0.5 thus the /2 part of the original fINT. For Sang Blade its 2.0, this is how INT adds more then other base stats. The cap for fINT also is different on the newer WS's. We haven't found one yet for Sang Blade, A.Edge, Primal Rend, True Flight, Leaden Salute or Herc Slash. And its been demonstrated that INT doesn't even need to be the stat used for fINT. Trueflight and Leaden Salute both use fINT = 8 + (Player_AGI - Enemy_INT)*M where M is 2.0 on both WS. Just something to think about when looking over magic WS.

By that reasoning fSTR is a "hidden value" which is complete bunk. Its just like the people who try to say that sang blade is modded by "MAB".

Its not hidden, its standard and known.