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#1 Sep 23 2010 at 11:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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#2 Sep 23 2010 at 11:54 AM Rating: Decent
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#3 Sep 24 2010 at 10:07 AM Rating: Default
I am dissapoint.

All that power and the only thing he could think of doing was just using chainspell? I'd have everything up and having my swords out so my Auto-Attack would stack in the damage. At the very least I would want to see what it does to that as well as the nukes.

Guess I'm going to have to find out for myself.
#4 Sep 24 2010 at 10:21 AM Rating: Good
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You do know that using chainspell properly will essetially lock out any melee strikes for the period of time it is being used right. The delay after casting a spell in chainspell also causes your weapon delay to pause, so essentially you will never get a swing in. Especially since you will be spaming a blizz 3+ macro to get the nuke off as fast as possible, and thus be in your nuking gear full time. Unless of course you want to give up 15%(or more depending on what ToM staves you took) damage per nuke.
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#5 Sep 24 2010 at 11:02 AM Rating: Decent
It's a 3 minute food effect, my friend.

Chainspell is 60 seconds.

Also, depening on how the food effects it, it might actually be better to let a round slip by. Point is, we don't know cause he never even bothered.

So even if he has a perfect chainspell, what's he going to do with the other 2:00?


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...............................really?
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...............................really?


.........................nah.
#8 Sep 24 2010 at 11:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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So...why was he using Blizzard III? With 999 INT (Skill+499 mACC at minimum), surely you don't need the +mACC from your Ice merits, or lol10ElementalSkill from Aquilo's, and surely the 5 INT won't matter since you're already capped on INT (unless 999 is just the display maximum, not the hard cap on INT).

Why wasn't he using Aero IV?
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Hyrist, S.O.B. Superhero wrote:
Also, depening on how the food effects it, it might actually be better to let a round slip by. Point is, we don't know cause he never even bothered.
If you went in with 100% TP and used it to WS, maybe. Waiting a second to auto-melee is never better than a nuke during CS. I'd wait until after CS to even bother with it.
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#10 Sep 24 2010 at 11:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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Aliekber wrote:
So...why was he using Blizzard III? With 999 INT (Skill+499 mACC at minimum), surely you don't need the +mACC from your Ice merits, or lol10ElementalSkill from Aquilo's, and surely the 5 INT won't matter since you're already capped on INT (unless 999 is just the display maximum, not the hard cap on INT).

Why wasn't he using Aero IV?
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#11 Sep 24 2010 at 11:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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Hyrist, S.O.B. Superhero wrote:
So even if he has a perfect chainspell, what's he going to do with the other 2:00?
Use a revitalizer/wild card, and chainspell again.

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You do know that using chainspell properly will essetially lock out any melee strikes for the period of time it is being used right. The delay after casting a spell in chainspell also causes your weapon delay to pause, so essentially you will never get a swing in. Especially since you will be spaming a blizz 3+ macro to get the nuke off as fast as possible, and thus be in your nuking gear full time. Unless of course you want to give up 15%(or more depending on what ToM staves you took) damage per nuke.
Well you would still get a few swings over the course of 3 minutes. Of course since str and atk, both cap, you'd only do like 120 damage max, depending on your weapon. wsc doesn't cap though, so ws would probably do a few thousand, but consider you could do 7k with a nuke, that would be just retarded.

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#12 Sep 24 2010 at 1:15 PM Rating: Good
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Not to mention 3-5K DMG (usually about 25 casts) is 75K-125K in damage from chainspell, (over 1 minute). Most NM's/HNM's likely wouldn't see the end of your chainspell, let alone the last 2 minutes of said PEB. (granted Aero 4 would likely do double that.) On top of which, a 5 second Nuke for 3-5K+ is way more than you would hope to see from a melee swing (with highest D sword you will cap @ 114DMG) and taking 30 seconds or so to WS is a loss off an additional 18-30K DMG. That would have to be one of the best WS's ever.

Now Id love to see Quad C do some damage, already see some BLU DMG for over 8K without PEB. (granted they were on mobs that take double damage, but if a RDM can get a multi K Blizzard III, Im sure a 4K Quad could break 9000, heck maybe evn 10K (unless dmg caps at 9999).

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#13 Sep 24 2010 at 3:06 PM Rating: Default
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Use a revitalizer/wild card, and chainspell again.


Pervided that's available, though, if you're going to buy a PB you might as well make sure you do.

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Well you would still get a few swings over the course of 3 minutes. Of course since str and atk, both cap, you'd only do like 120 damage max, depending on your weapon. wsc doesn't cap though, so ws would probably do a few thousand, but consider you could do 7k with a nuke, that would be just retarded.


We have no idea whether or not PB breaks the cap, which is why I'm disapointed. It did not even occur to him to test this? No mention of possible Regain (which would mean, yes, you had WSes on hand.) No reports of WSD.

Sorry, this was a failure of a test. As a RDM, I would have been blowing everything up, not just the NM. And I'd be using every single bit of my job to test out various things that got improved. (Hell, if there was time, I'd even /RA!)

It was 2mil cruor down the drain for a brief thrillride.
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Sorry, this was a failure of a test.
Pretty sure he wasn't out there to test so much as blow stuff up.
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Hyrist, S.O.B. Superhero wrote:
No mention of possible Regain (which would mean, yes, you had WSes on hand.) No reports of WSD.
Read the thread, he said 10/tic regain.

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So? It was his cruor. If you've got 2m cruor lying around that you can use in the name of SCIENCE, then do it. He proved that no amount of int will ever get you to the cap on anything higher than tier 1 nukes (and maybe 2) which is valuable enough.
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#16 Sep 24 2010 at 6:22 PM Rating: Good
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Technically I wouldn't say it was down the drain they killed the NM got drops, seems like a good use to me. What else you going to do spend a couple K on some temp items and buffs? Spend some to buy gearsets then sell them?.

Here is an Idea, if you want head out and spend 2 mil cruor and test the weapon damage crap by all means do so. But I highly doubt that SE hs rewritten damage rules that have been in the game for a long long time simply to base it around 1 new item. Call it pessimistic but I don't have that much faith in SE. Now if my suspicion that you can't break the cratio cap (2.0/2.2) nor the crit cap (3.0/3.2) it would be you who wasted 2mil cruor for lol114DMG and a few K WS, just to get your melee hardon to bust a nut.
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#17 Sep 24 2010 at 6:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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Technically I wouldn't say it was down the drain they killed the NM got drops, seems like a good use to me. What else you going to do spend a couple K on some temp items and buffs? Spend some to buy gearsets then sell them?.
Considering they could have got around what? 6m for it selling to npc? They could have paid someone else to farm the pops, and kill it a few times for that.
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#18 Sep 24 2010 at 6:39 PM Rating: Good
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True they could have, but why bother when you can do it yourself. Id take that over paying people (i do not know) a sum of money. I distrust most people who aren't me so maybe thats just my view on it. (this is why I don't do endgame or any events, anything I can't do alone outside of exp, I don't do.)
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True they could have, but why bother when you can do it yourself. Id take that over paying people (i do not know) a sum of money. I distrust most people who aren't me so maybe thats just my view on it. (this is why I don't do endgame or any events, anything I can't do alone outside of exp, I don't do.)
Because traverser stones are quite valuable.
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#20 Sep 24 2010 at 6:48 PM Rating: Decent
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only to those who camp NM's everyday for and chew their stones up. I have fought 2-3 NM's since VoA was released, I have a giant pile of stones I haven't even looked at. But then again Ive never been one to go on out to the newest content and try and beat it in the first week. I like to take my time, another reason I hate endgame shells. I want to play and enjoy the game on my time, and not be punished because I feel like fishing in SSG instead of sitting in dragon aery for 3 hours. (poor examples but you get my point)
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#21 Sep 24 2010 at 6:49 PM Rating: Default
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Hell i still haven't bothered to purchases Scars, and if AFv3 is all thats there (color me unimpressed) I doubt I will bother getting it at all.
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only to those who camp NM's everyday for and chew their stones up. I have fought 2-3 NM's since VoA was released, I have a giant pile of stones I haven't even looked at. But then again Ive never been one to go on out to the newest content and try and beat it in the first week. I like to take my time, another reason I hate endgame shells. I want to play and enjoy the game on my time, and not be punished because I feel like fishing in SSG instead of sitting in dragon aery for 3 hours. (poor examples but you get my point)
Or ever? There's tons of sh*t in abyssea that can be done solo/duo. If you can't find a use for your stones by yourself, then you're not trying.
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#23 Sep 24 2010 at 6:57 PM Rating: Default
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Nah im not trying, it is true, Ive not bothered to explore abyssea much at all, nor have I really done much with my stones. Im not saying I couldn't burn through my pile of stones, im just saying, I don't have the ambition to burn through them. I gave up on the gear race a long long time ago (about 2 years ago when I "quit" the game) If I can't get it on the AH im probably not going to get it. I am unmotivated, it has been a long time since ive been wowed! to the point where I give a damn about 3MAB or 3INT or an extra tick of refresh. Guess we just have 2 different views of the game.

I mean hell, I don't even have Zmitts, (I thought i di have the abj though when i bought cursed the other day). For the low price of 100-150K I could go solo genbu for them, heck I even know where there is a guy who always has pop items. Fact is, I just don't care to, they are nice mitts, would be awesome in my Sanguine and Nuke sets, but Id rather just go to campaign or something and burn couple hours and get drunk.

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Sure, we have two different views of the game. And anyone with your view wouldn't bother trying to get the +2 anyway, so they not only wouldn't pay someone to do it for them, they also wouldn't kill it themselves. For anyone that cares about killing a difficult nm like that, time will be limited.
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#25 Sep 24 2010 at 7:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Id kill it just to laugh at CSing it to death. But the drop wouldn't be the reason for it.
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Well if all you care about is the thrill of spamming 10k damage nukes, by all means, waste the gil doing so. Personally though, if i didn't care about gear, i'd just rmt it for an easy $120+. I'm sure i could enjoy $120 more than i'd enjoy seeing a flood of 8k+ damage nukes spam my screen for 30 secs-3 mins.
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#27 Sep 24 2010 at 7:13 PM Rating: Decent
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possibly but if I rmt my account, Id have to give up the main purpose of FFXI, the chatroom. I mean it is a chatroom with awesome extra features right? right....=(
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possibly but if I rmt my account, Id have to give up the main purpose of FFXI, the chatroom. I mean it is a chatroom with awesome extra features right? right....=(
What? I said i'd rmt the gil, not my account...
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#29 Sep 24 2010 at 7:35 PM Rating: Good
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why would you RMT the gil? you could put it to so many better uses.....well maybe not, and 120 bucks is a few cases of beer. I like your thinking Rog.
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why would you RMT the gil? you could put it to so many better uses.....well maybe not, and 120 bucks is a few cases of beer. I like your thinking Rog.
Well I wouldn't, but hypothetically if i didn't care at all about my gear, i would sooner rmt it than throw it away for the "thrill" of being the best zerg job... for 30-180 seconds (depending on how many fights you've got lined up to do).

Really what i'm saying is that throwing away 6m/$120+ for 30 seconds of fun is retarded.
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#31 Sep 24 2010 at 7:52 PM Rating: Decent
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I throw away 12.95/mo for what feels like a second job at times is that retarded?
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I throw away 12.95/mo for what feels like a second job at times is that retarded?
If you don't enjoy it at all? Yes.
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#33 Sep 25 2010 at 11:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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Maybe just a bit of enjoyment? Let's say... worth about $2.95?
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#34 Sep 26 2010 at 2:07 AM Rating: Decent
some ppl play for the fun rather than spending hours on selling 700 pieces of gear to the NPC, not to mention u could prolly just sell the drops to random ppl also for as much gil, if not more

Edited, Sep 26th 2010 4:11am by BiggHowie
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out of curiosity (since some of you are obviously reading testing threads like the one linked in the OP), has anyone tested to see whether or not WSC caps for WSs? WSC is of course so-called "secondary mods" e.g. tachi: gekko's 75% STR mod. it's also one of the few things in the game that, for all we've known, doesn't cap. for obvious reasons, if you know your base damage to begin with (which is easy as long as you know your weapon's damage and what the modifier(s) on the WS is(are)), having 999 stats should tell you in just one WS whether or not there's a cap on WSC.

edit: also, the music i'm listening to reminds me to exhort all of you to buy the vision of escaflowne and watch it. sh*t is like $20 for the whole series.

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#36 Sep 26 2010 at 8:25 AM Rating: Good
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Dunno, this is the first time I have seen anyone thats used it period, and contrary to the belief of some in this thread, I hardly doubt it was a test.

The only problem with testing this on a WS or what not, is it may cap but we wouldn't know where. It could cap at 200, it could cap at 150, it could cap at 999 it could never cap. As soon as we go over our current level WSC levels we have no idea where it caps because we can't get higher to check it out, so really I think it would be impossible to know unless you can slowly equip and unequip about +910 in WSC gear.

(dunno if that made much sense I just woke up).
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#37 Sep 26 2010 at 12:49 PM Rating: Decent
far be it for SE to do anything that makes sense, but looking at the nukes in the SS it would appear that INT doesnt get capped. that makes me, personally, assume that WSC wouldnt cap also, of course that goes with thinking SE is logical about their formulas.
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