Question on subjobs... time related onlyFollow

45 mins, kindly stfu about things you don't understand now.

I feel /sch was optimal because i have 225 ele skill (including aquilo's), 213 enfeeb skill, and <210 dark skill, so being able to nuke easier due to shadows would have been pointless, since all my nukes would have been resisted anyway (not to mention poison resists).

...or do you mean why it would be optimal for someone with decent gear, and capped skills? The extra mp would allow more nukes, and possibly with a lower resist rate (not sure though, since i didn't get any resists with 272 skill, and 126 int, probably would still have a capped land rate without DA, with capped ele skill+good gear).

Well, when shadows can get you two or three extra nukes in between Converts, maybe you'll understand.

I'm saying it'd be easier, and you should be able to do it faster than I did, with my sh*tty gear (this is my nuke gear, except nq body). I also have no fc gear, could not land bind at all (259 enfeeb skill, and 126 int lol), and have no pdt gear except earth staff. I am not saying it'd be faster (it would be safer, but that doesn't really matter, since it's very safe anyway).

Edited, Jan 6th 2010 5:30am by ThePsychoticOne

wat

It hit me around 150-200 damage per hit...

Fyi, i have 850 hp, not 300.

Translation: if you only nuke while it's at a place where it's slowed down by the terrain, you're safe.

I was just using a random amount of time for an example. The point was, /sch can speed things up.



You're starting to sound like you've never solo'd something with DOTs and nukes while kiting. Sch improves your nukes and DOTs, so if you're not worried about getting hit while kiting, then no, you don't need /nin.

If you really need an example, take something like Boompadu. Yes, it's an extremely easy solo, because it's an acrolith with reduced movement speed. But it also resists a good amount of nukes, at least partially. There's little need for /nin, and the increased skill from /sch would be much better.

If you have wlegs, or the enemy is naturally gravitied, or you have the terrain on your side... Why not go /sch? As I said before, there are a bunch of ZNMs that could be solo'd easily with /sch.

But hey, sometimes it's also a matter of being skilled enough to just plain not get yourself hit. >.>




You know, this is Rog you're talking about. I lol'd.

Edited, Jan 6th 2010 2:31pm by NaokoAi

Late comer to the thread but I couldn't not comment.



Maybe you don't nuke enough, but you're doing it wrong. 90% of nms in this game are killed easier in a manaburn than melee. I almost exclusive run around in a rdm+blm duo. Regardless of subjob, rdm nuking isn't that far behind a blm, even with only limited to tier III's. I'm willing to bet that rdm/sch could out damage a blm in a lot of situations... hell, I know it comes really close in level 60 Up in Arms bcnm.




With 1100:1100 convert, 5/5 vert merits, etc.... I don't run out of mp while convert is down because I choose not too. Not because I couldn't possibly. More mp efficiency means more nukes/cycle, less resting, etc. It doesn't take long for rdm to nuke out it's entire mp pool. Can easily be done in the duration of just one gravity.

Woo that was a fun read. I don't know what Rog did in the past to knock his lolkarma down so far. I can't think of anything I've ever read of his that did not have every ounce of truth in it and a great deal more knowledge/tips/amazement.
Looks to me like TheSeated thought he was picking on some +1 post noob spouting w/e silly thought comes in his blue named head.
For the record, the moment soloing the GA /SCH idea came about, I knew Rog would get it done then and there without the gear.

As I've said before, knowledge and skill isn't a free ticket to jackassery.

Unfortunately for Seated, neither is ignorance.

Eh, why? If you want, i could go kill some easy ass nm with no gear, but i don't really see the point. Besides, i'm already working on something a lot more interesting.

Read the last two posts of my lj really.

Something like bune could be done easily, since it's incredibly easy to bind, and can be straight tanked if needed anyway. As you said, things like ix, genbu, gration, etc would be just as easy as with gear, since you never get hit anyway. Pretty much any straight tanked fight could also be done, as long as you could still land slow/para.

Except gear affects both subs differently. Having no fc gear made it difficult for me to nuke without getting hit. That's not a problem with /nin, and so doesn't really make much of a difference. Being able to bind also would not help very much /nin, since you can just nuke whenever you want to, with absolutely no risk. /sch on the other hand would greatly benefit from bind, since it does move faster than normal, you can't nuke quite as often (though wlegs, tabard, and af hat would make that much easier!), bind lets you nuke twice in a row (nuke when it's safe, bind, nuke again), or even three times, since you're now at 20'+. This is especially useful for /sch (and not at all useful for /nin), because with /sch you both have far more mp to nuke with, and also can't nuke as often, which leaves you with the potential to not use all your mp before vert is ready. There is no risk of that with /nin, because you can quickly, and safely nuke through your entire mp pool in a matter of 2-3 minutes.

Edited, Jan 21st 2010 12:47pm by ThePsychoticOne

Because my (lack of) gear prevented me from taking full advantage of /sch.

I think its funny that the only evidence he has is quoting you out of context. HE KNOWS WHAT YOU MEANT TO SAY, HAVE SAID, AND WILL EVER SAY. JUST GIVE UP!

That's not the issue. He seems to mostly understand what i said back then. The issue is that he refuses to consider what i am saying now: that without any fc/move speed gear, it's very difficult to take advantage of the advantages offered by /sch.