MND & Enfeebling SkillFollow

Ok, so I'm redoing all my macros and I was wondering, in regards to Enfeebling Magic, if it is better to have more MND on or more +Enfeebling Magic Skill equip on? This macro build is generally for Dynamis, any help would be appreciated!

This is for the spells Slow and Paralyze BTW!

Entirely mnd, unless you absolutely cannot land it, then switch to more enfeeb/macc. Even if you get resisted, it's usually better to just recast it until it lands, as long as you have at least a 30-50% chance or so. Of course anything that won't live long, you're better off landing it the first time, but there shouldn't be too many things that applies to.

EDIT: Learned something new, see thread below.

I tend to evaluate, as a general rule of thumb, MND and MACC as interchangable in terms of "worth". In other words, I see Omega ring as "worth" 6 points where Aqua is "worth" 5 points, so I see Omega as the better ring. Nashira pants vs Errant I see as both "worth" 8 points, so they are equal, etc...

It's just my system and if you want to do a better job than me, you can fine tune for everything you fight. I was looking for an over-all system that works for the majority of things I face, and this was the one I've settled on with fairly comfortable success. It lets me answer the qustions of "this or that" when I'm unsure on a slot.

The only exception is for things where the primary and most important factor is not potency but rather resist rate. Sleep, silence, bind, stun are all examples. In those cases, raw skill/macc take priority and stats I only apply when there isn't skill/macc to be had.

Edited, Nov 23rd 2009 7:03pm by NatePrawdzik

Oh interesting, 10 over? I hadn't realized that. Can you link me to where this is explained by any chance? Rate up regardless, information appreciated.

For Dynamis, if it's not Xarc (maybe Tav, I dunno, never done that one), then as a 75 RDM you need very little in the way of +skill. Depending on your group though, most mobs may only be living for a few seconds, making going all out enfeebling them sort of pointless.

I don't think it's quite the same. I mean, the actual mechanics? Sure, I think those are the same or very similar. In practice? Not so much.

To preemptively address it, the 320/120 thing isn't an end-all for BLM either. It may be a good general range for higher INT targets, but even then, one may want to tweak from there.

That being said, nuking has the additional factor of MAB. You do want to have more INT than the target, in order for the magic damage equation to not be gimped. Having ~10 over makes sense from an MAcc standpoint.
Past that INT can make less sense to keep adding. Either the BLM needs more accuracy, or they want to add damage. Point for point, +skill/MAcc or MAB will do more for them, though available gear may favor an INT option.

Enfeebling is a a two-way balance. Once you have sufficient accuracy, you just pile on stats. However, by doing that, you also continue to add a moderate amount of MAcc.

Another caveat is staves. For a nuking build, staves are basically a given. The same can't really be said for a heavy MND build. A small percent of RDMs have an Alkalurops, the majority will be either using wand/shield or staves. Obviously, dropping to a wand/shield setup means losing a sizable chunk of accuracy.
Making up for that either means that you just take advantage of the lower MP cost and try, try, try again - or it means that the bar is raised in terms of accuracy needed from other slots.

If BLMs have working numbers for a given mob, then those might be useful...but mirroring the stat balances probably isn't the way to go. It's a slightly different ballgame.

As far as I know, resist only affects duration of slow/para; potency is determined by a direct MND comparison, so it should be unaffected. I could be wrong, but I'm under the impression that a 1/2 resisted white enfeeble just means you need to recast it on the mob sooner.

Wow, 3 rated down posts, for what?

Anyway - my understanding was that duration would be effected by a resist, while potency of slow/para/etc would be effected by stats.

So basically there's a balance between the first part, which is all MACC:

"How much MP can I put into keeping the enfeeble on/how long can the tanks deal with it being off while I try again/how much time can I waste recasting this instead of other spells/how much enmity will I generate".

and the second, which is stats:

"How useful can I make the effect of this debuff"

I know I've had paralyze land, proc once, then never proc again until it wears off. The bad thing there is it stops someone else from trying to land theirs.

I'm thinking about going with a high MND para I setup. I mean wand/shield, the works... And a more standard Slow II setup. My reasoning is that you can afford not to have para on a target, but slow is critical. Additionally, slow II costs a great deal more MP and time to cast than para I.

It seems like paralyze is really the main spell where you can afford to play with trying to land the jack pot of ultra-high potency. It's such a beautiful thing when you get that wave of paralyze procs right in a row...

Thoughts?

Generally the intent is for it to mean that the majority would prefer you stop posting. I'll consent then and stop posting in the RDM forums after this.

http://www.ffxiah.com/item_sets.php?id=86974

Relevant merits: 4 Slow II, 1 Para II, 5 Ice, 8 Enfeeble

This is my current setup.I do get resists sometimes, but not really that often, this lands with 90%+ accuracy on probably 99% of the stuff you're going to encounter. There are some occasions where AF2 hat is useful to put on, and you learn when those are pretty easily. Upgrades for my set: MMJ earring, AF2+1 hat, Alkalurops, maybe a 5MND ring over Omega but other stuff first. There's a new 1MND 1INT r/ex tathlum drop that might be worth looking into if you have the inventory room.

Edited, Nov 30th 2009 3:22am by Ellatrix