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I know I want this:

Movement Speed +8%

And either:

Magic Attack Bonus +4

Or:

Haste +3%


And hopefully the item comes with some native INT.

So far i've used all my mini expansion gear for my melee rdm build but right now I'm caught between

Haste+3
Acc+7

or

Haste+3
DA+2

Hmmmm..

Good bye Kirin......and good riddance!

Our shell is 1/25 over the last few years on W legs on recorded Kirin's (and i've been to every one). Not for lack of trying, I have everything else from sky, this lets me say @#%^ it and use my points for other things, since there are people ahead of me anyway.

Movement speed is definitley the FIRST think I will be getting.

Edit: I don't have Zenith mitts or hat... hat because lolzenith hat, hands because genbu hates me.

Probably getting cure potency and movement speed.


Edited, Oct 29th 2009 12:56pm by LordMnementh

7 acc beats the hell out of 2% DA, especially if things like Joytoy and / or Justice are taken into account. If for some reason your parsed (ie not eyeballed) accuracy on V-VT is 95%, then switch to Pizza and use the +7 Acc.

This was THE piece I've been needing to polish out my RDM melee set. An incredibly powerful TP piece for my legs. As for DB piece, Dusk Pants are the best currently, seconded by those +7 MND / INT pants.

I'm pretty sure I'm getting Haste+3 on it for RDM for the first augment.

Were they only for RDM, ACC would be a real shoe-in for the second. As it is, I also have BLM and BRD that could wear the mage set, and don't have +movement for either (whereas I've had Crimson legs for years).

Given that I rarely melee anything over EM-T range on RDM, the ACC likely isn't critical (I already TP in hardly any ACC), and +movement on more jobs would be nice...so I may wind up coupling those together, despite that it'd be neither the best melee or best idle combo.

I'm going to reserve final decisions until I see what else they put in. The three presumably customizable sets may well have some overlap in stats. Depending on how hard they wind up being to get, that might change my outlook on what piece/augments to get entirely.

At 80% accuracy, double Marches will overcome double Madrigals.

(100 * 1.2) = 120 hits * 80% = 96 hits
(100 * 1) = 100 hits * 95% = 95 hits

Which means you need to get 76.5% accuracy before adding the pants. RDM can do that if they're serious period. You still need 93% Acc for the DA+2% to outdo the Acc+7.


Would you say the hate is mutual?

Edited, Oct 29th 2009 11:39am by jlejeune

MP+25 Enmity -4
Physical Damage -4%

OMG GOLIARD +1!






Seriously, though:

Haste +3%
Movement Speed +8%

Crimson Cosciales = WIN

So, if I get Haste +3% (and I'm planning on it, along with Movement Speed +8%), that puts my Utsusemi recast set at:

Sentinel Shield		1% Haste 
Walahra Turban		5% Haste 
Goliard Saio		4% Haste 
Dusk Gloves		3% Haste 
Swift Belt		4% Haste 
Tatsumaki Sitagoromo	3% Haste 
Dusk Ledelsens		2% Haste 
Haste Spell		15% Haste 
--------------------------------- 
Total:			37% Haste 
 
 
Fast Cast JT		-10% Recast 
Loquacious Earring*	-1% Recast 
---------------------------------- 
Total:			-11% Recast 
 
*43/75 ABCs 
 
(1 - 37% Haste) * (1 - 11% Recast) = 56% of normal Recast

I've heard it said that RDM can cap recasts without outside buffs, but even if I were to HQ both Dusk pieces and somehow get a V.Belt (+4% Haste total, hitting the 26% "real" equip Haste Cap), that would still leave me at 53% recast time (1 - 41% Haste) * (1 - 11% Recast) = 52.5% Recast. If this is the case, then no matter what I'll need a March to cap recasts, or did I screw up the math somewhere?

Not that 17 second Ichi/25 second Ni without outside buffs is anything to sneeze at, mind you.

I said that before I knew that FC and Haste stacked multiplicatively instead of additively. Also, TPO is a douchebag sometimes.

Edited, Oct 29th 2009 5:41pm by Ranzera

What is Conserve TP? o_O

Actually morri slops are the best.



This also changes nothing as far as using food goes. As most of the "Good" melee rdm outthere would have been using acc pants in there tp build anyway. Which consists of oily trousers (I use), vol legs, or P legs.

It just adds 3 haste to your tp build really. Which is as you say the best tp legs we can wear.

I'm stuck between that and MAB bursting peice/movement speed peice as i have blm and sch too.
But i do have morri and blood legs sooo mmmmmm.

Edited, Oct 29th 2009 10:22pm by charloxxx

Movement speed & cure potency is tempting, but it's too hard to resist the haste/acc setup for my blu+thf until I get homam ;;

Haste 3%
Physical Damage -4%

for Rdm/nin/blu

Considering our other options like Goliard Body's, Swift belt, Turban, etc., the best melee option is +7ACC 3% haste on the legs. I might actually get this augment if I get the final expansion. The +1% haste and +7ACC over my Nash legs is quite solid. And if anyone is curious, that setup trumps the Homam legs by +4acc. So if you really want the supreme melee piece for RDM, here you go.

Oh, and DA sucks for us. Doesn't work well at all with Joyeuse, K club, or Justice options. Stick to haste/acc., that's the best option by far no matter what you do.



Huh? This augment beats Homam legs by +4ACC. Yes you don't get the HP/MP and FC, however that's not an issue for a melee RDM anyway. Dusk, Phalawon(sp), Nash, Golaird(tanking/hybrid) are like the only real options anyways.


Edited, Oct 30th 2009 1:14am by ShadowedgeFFXI

The +MP is part of what would make Homam good for us, as using both a melee sub and most melee gear not having +MP, we wind up sacrificing a good 200+ unless you don't bother swapping for some added potency or accuracy on spells. Plus some would double as good Convert pieces for some races or with what the player may have access to.

I did the math comparing thte +7 MND legs to ATK +14 during DB and the Atk won by a good amount. I would say that Morrigans would most likely equal Dusk for WS piece's, but since their also a casting piece its one less inventory slot taken up.

For TP legs it really depends which I use. Princes are +6 Acc but Dusk are +14 Atk, if your at capped ACC (due to sushi and other good gear choices) then Dusk are a better option. Their about equal when your accuracy is around 80~85%, but any lower and the Acc legs win. But party buffs can change the balance dramatically.

What these legs do is add a good chunk of acc AND solid haste in one spot, that is the holy grail of all TP pieces. With these any my ACP body I might be able to push meat at some places. I'm already using Pizza+1 at MJSP south, but at north I need Sole Sushi. Need to redo my math on G.Colibri camp though.

Urgh not again.
Please if you say you did the math POST IT.
And to say you "Think" they would be equal without doing the math is just --- hello "Eyeballing"
Fact is 3 str and 10 mnd and 1.5 attack (From str) will beat 14 attack.



You need 407/409 acc to cap birds. Dunno how much mammols are but with differnt jobs and warmup its gotta be around the same.

With the best tp setup with haste i could get with full merits
Enh/joy or just/joy
haste/acc head from expansion or turban
2 acc ammo
PCC
Suppa hollow
ACP body DW and acc
duck hands
tor x 2
cul mantle
swift or speed
new legs
dusk feet

Going for the mostly acc options 80 acc
With 260 base 15 composure 32 odd from Dex
total of 387
You will need pizza minimum to cap acc.
You lose justice sword DA and 7 str
2 haste from head
15 attack from back which cancels out with enhancing sword attack.
To swapping to sushi 5 str and 5 dex.
Could also swap a ring out for rajas 5 str 5 dex store tp for sushi

So its Pizza build capped Acc with 51 attck sword base damage 40/35

Vs

Sushi build capped acc with Justice DA , 2 haste , 17 str Bumps sowrds base damage up to 39/38 with a 25% chance of 40/39 , 8 attack (from str) and 10 dex ,5 store tp , 5 subtle blow.

I cant see a pizza build on 407-409 acc ever beating a sushi build with better equip.
If mammols acc needed is lower then maybe.

Edited, Oct 30th 2009 11:29am by charloxxx

10 MND * .50 * .83 = +4.15D
3STR * .30 = 0.9D
3/4 = .75 fSTR

7 MND * .50 * .83 = +2.905

And +14 Atk depends on your current pDiff.

G.Colibri 8V 72 Def 327 Evd 339

75 Elvann RDM/NIN
75 STR 63 DEX 68 MND

WS Setup
ESword / Joy / T.Sting
O.Hat / Snow Gorget / Suppa / Brutal
ACP / Alky's / Rajas / Snow
Cuch / Warwolf / BLANK / Ogre +1

75 + 11 +5 +2 +4 +5 = 102 STR /2 = +51 ATK
63 + -6 +5 -2 +4 +5 = 69 DEX /2 = +34.5[34] ACC
68 + 5 +5 +5 = 83 MND

263 Acc from Skill
34 Acc from DEX
15 From JA
45 From Equipment
357 Before Food

46 = 357 * .13 (Crab sushi vs birds)
403 After Food, 409 required to cap on Lv 82's.
409-403 = 6/2 = 3, 95-3 = 92% Hit rate (95% on First Hit)

271 Atk from Skill
8 From Base
51 From STR
40 From equipment
370 Before Food
Food doesn't give attack for this demonstration.

Calculate fTSR and WSC
102 -67 +4 = 39/4 = 9.75 [9] fSTR
102 * .30 * .83 = 25.3 [25] STR WSC
83 * .50 * .82 = 34.4 [34] MND WSC

40 + 9 + 25 + 34 = 108
35 + 9 + 25 + 34 = 103
108 * 1.225 = 132.3
132 + 108 + 108 + 103 = 451 BD

cRatio = 370 / 327 = 1.131
LCF = (7 * .05 = 0.35)
1.131 - 0.35 = 0.78 (We are under 1.0, this is a very BAD thing)
451 * .78 = 351.7

Now lets do it for Dia III being on
327 * .85 = 277.95 (278 because its SE)
cRatio = 370 / 278 = 1.33
1.33 - 0.35 = 0.98 (still under 1.0 but not as badly)
451 * 0.98 = 441.98 (25.6% Increase in damage FYI)

Now lets add in 10 MND and 3 STR
MND WSC goes to 38.59 [38] (4D increase)
STR WSC goes to 26.14 [26] (1D increase)
fSTR goes to 10.5 [10] (1D increase)
ATK goes to 371
Total of 6D increase which across 4 hits is +24 BD. 451 + 24 = 475/451 = 1.053 (5.3% Increase)

Use the +14 Atk from Dusk Legs instead
370 + 14 = 384
384 / 278 = 1.381
1.381 - 0.35 = 1.03 (woot we're above 1.0)
1.03/0.98 = 1.051 (5.1% Increase)

Wow that is damn near even, and that is assuming Morigans is giving you a perfect +6D across three different stats. +5D makes Morigans weaker (by a fraction of a percentage). Basically dusk legs are equal to Morigans because we have crap attack to begin with, at least on birds. You could throw in the argument about a Minuet balancing it out, but we all know double march would be the best buffs for us and the rest of the PT.

Also that is my anti-bird set, I can easily go into my TP file and comment out / uncomment the appropriate lines to adjust my gear based on the camp. MJSP South has about the same evasion as birds do but also has Puks which are weak and they don't steal your food. In that place I like to use Pizza +1 but that's a different post.

As far as damage goes, I can't see Yigit hands and Zenith hands being much different.

The real purpose for getting them (assuming they're not HQ) would be for having higher MP while in your nuking set.

Why would they be inv +1? What are you using for mnd+ on hands? GET IT?!

rhetorical question is rhetorical

/shrug
Your loss. Lolibri are one of the more viable mobs for RDMs to melee on due to the fact we can't really cast much on them other than Dia, and they're piercing weaks.

Now kindly go find another thread to play in. The grown ups are talking here.

I guess if all the melee are NIN or /NIN, it wouldn't be all that difficult to do. If all the melee are dd'ing with reckless abandon as /WAR or /SAM, the RDM is going to have to compromise a lot more toward the support/healer side of things.

Personally, I haven't been in a merit/xp party in over 2 years now as I prefer to just solo (let's me play RDM the way I want without stepping on anyone's toes). But I'm curious just how much difference in xp/hr there would be between two identical parties, one with all /NIN DD's and a melee RDM (with a decent melee gear-set) and the other with all /WAR, /SAM DD's with the RDM focused only on healing.

I doubt the difference would be all that extreme, especially on birds.

I don't think a true hardcore meleeing RDM would mind having melee buffs on them >_>

And besides, as BRD in meripo, I'm already used to attaching Pianissimo to my Ballads, because there is almost always only one healer, and Pianissimo keeps me from having to run to the backline. If he was in the frontline, not much would change except for the fact that there would be a slight transition period in which the RDM would have no Ballads up. (In most cases, I would think that if a meleeing RDM needed the MP, he would want just Ballad 2 along with one other melee buff.)

Since I have crimson, this is definitely going to be a cure macro piece for me. I'm leaning toward Cure Potency +5% and either enmity -4 or haste+3 . . . either way, I'm selling blessed on WHM and will finally have something besides nashira to use while curing on RDM.