"Refresh please" might be gone forever. Follow

Upon checking out the new SMN update, it seems the days of RDM "Refreshers" might be behind us. Because with Ballad, Evoker, and now SMN's AoE refresh, we're losing that role, Thank God. Obviously I'm referring to endgame events like Dynamis, Einherjar, etc. So what do you all think?

Yeah, that's not going to happen. Not only are SMNs not typically going to leave Diabolos out just so maybe a few people can gain the benefit of Refresh (people are going to want Ifrit's DA or bust), Favors do not will stack with other preexisting effects anyway.

well that was a sh*tty typo

Edited, Oct 21st 2009 6:31pm by Fynlar

As long as it stacks, Refresh will still be asked for if there's a RDM in the party.

Which...



...should be the case.


Also keep in mind that SMNs can only do one effect, and will either compromise on other benefits, or the effect will not be full-time. The wording on it seems to indicate that offensive aspects of avatars may be nerfed when their JA is active. Even with that aside, using another avatar for anything will mean resetting the effectiveness after a period of not having it on anyway. Plus, figure, SMNs can't rest with an avatar out, so at times they may need to take a knee and, poof, no more effect for a bit. It'll also mean party members need to be within a certain range.

Compared to that, Refresh is pretty reliable. Really, Refresh remains the most dependable, least intrusive party MP recovery buff. Unlike Evoker's Roll, it's always 3MP/tick. It doesn't mean the RDM can't cast a different buff on you like Ballad(s) do. You (or the RDM) can wander off wherever you please, or stand where you need to, and it's still there. Just recast ever 2.5 minutes.

Given all that, I really don't see Refresh going away. If your party lacks a RDM, sure, there are going to be more options than ever for MP recovery buffs...but if a RDM is there, why wouldn't you want 'fresh (outside of Sublimation)?

It implies avatar auras will stack with magic spells with similar enhancements. Otherwise, there'd be no point in talking about avatar enhancements being used in conjunction with spells, rolls, and songs.

The main thing I take from this update is that COR SMN BLM BLM BLM SCH is now completely awesome. I'd probably transfer the RDM to another party where they can heal a DD party or the tank party since it will be much easier for RDMs to refresh PLDs than have a SMN keep an avatar out for them. This is a bit premature though, since we don't know how widethe aura range is, etc.

lol?

3/tic refresh
2-4/tic evoker's
7/tic ballad
2/tic gear
1/tic sanction/sigil/vampyr

= 15~17/tic refresh

We can already stack ridiculous amounts of refresh. Another 3/tic doesn't really change much, especially since you'd need to keep a smn in the pt, which means your pt is already rdm, cor, smn, brd at which point you only have 2 spots for blms to take advantage of that refresh (since healers don't need anywhere near that much), and 15-17/tic for 3 blms >> 18-20/tic (assuming 3/tic diabolos) for 2.

Ugh..another one of these posts.. lazy rdm is lazy..seriously if people leveling rdm and refuses to refresh, level another job... hell level summoner now that they can refresh...

Avatar's Favour wont replace refresh. lets say your in the blm party at x event
do you not refresh a blm just because they have ballad?
In a typical blm party my ls uses rdm brd 4xblm with ballads refresh and haste kept active on all,

if you swap the brd for a smn you're gonna have diabolosfavor haste and refresh on all blms. smns wont replace a redmages refresh, if anything they'll free up brds and cors for the dd parties.

alternatively yes you could swap the rdm for a smn and have smn cor/brd 4xblm for hastega daibolos favor and evokers/ballad, freeing up the rdm for the tank party to refresh the paladins / healers. either way you'll probably still be refreshing one party or another.

Favours will add in my opinion add a fair amount of flexibility to events with that extra option for a refresher maybe some of those ppl that get stuck on brd/cor/rdm week in week out will finally be given an opportunity to use there other jobs once in a while. not a problem for me personallyi get to use most my jobs alot but i know a few people in my shells that get stuck on brd week in week out so i see this update as potentially good for them. if taking my smn means 1 of our bards can go melee for a change then i'm all for it.

Edited, Oct 22nd 2009 7:01am by Dzian

on playonline it says that it will stack with songs, spells and phantom rolls. It's safe to assume that it will stack with refresh since that's the only spell that grants mp regeneration.