Hello everyone,
So, I've recently selected DNC/NIN as my job combination. I've got to tell you the truth though, I am having quite a bit of trouble and am hoping you can help me out. As of now, my DNC is level 31. I have been partying in Qufim Island doing Level Sync around level 19-23, although I try to solo after every level on Even Match prey to cap out my dagger skills.
I have tried putting together a set of gear that, I thought, was vesry nice. I'm really having a lot of trouble landing hits (particularly while in party, although I miss a lot solo too) and when they do land they seem to be very weak. I'm starting to think that perhaps I purchased the wrong type of gear, or something. I'm really not sure. Can anyone help me out? The following is what I currently have equipped:
2x Windurstian Knife (Dual wield/NIN)
Compound Eye Circlet
Spike Necklace
2x Beetle Earring +1
Beetle Harness +1
Battle Gloves
2x Courage ring
Exactitude mantle
Warrior's belt +1
Republic subligar
Leather highboots (Yeah, I know. Terrible)
With the above equipped, my normal hits while I'm hunting on Qufim Island seem to range from 0-7, IF they land. I'd really appreciate any help, I have no idea what to do to improve my poor little taru Dancer.
Thank you all for reading. If anyone has suggestions, please feel free to post.
Suggestions:
scchan: Swap out rings for +DEX/+ACC. Balance rings/Venerer Ring. Look into Rice Dumplings & Sushi for food.
Requim: [Expensive!] Emperor hairpin (24+), Leaping boots, Vision & Mighty Ring Enhancements. He also suggests using Pizza as the food of choice at all levels, instead of Sushi (before Colibri camps)!
Isiolia: Recommendations - Sync to your real level for the +ACC Bonus. Gear improves in the 40's. Sushi & Pizza becomes decent in the 40's. Basiclly, tough it out until then.
Dracoth: Confirmation - Mighty Rings DO stack enchantments.
Blankyy: Food suggestion - Jack-o-lantern (+10ACC)
Desoo: Subjob suggestion - Try using /RNG instead of /NIN while syncing to lower levels. The +ACC bonus trait that RNG has may be more useful than Dual Wielding.
Edited, May 10th 2010 5:35pm by Aeolius
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[Resolved] New DNC, Slow TP Gain, very low damage?Follow
It appears that accuracy is the main issue you are having. At that level, choices for accuracy in gear (at least when I was still playing) is somewhat limited. Try to use rings that give +DEX or +ACC (Balance Ring and Venerer Ring are reasonably priced good choice). Rice Dumpling is a good choice of food, sushi may also start to worth trying as well in the 30s.
One thing in the levels 30s and 40s that you may be doing quite a bit of beetle crushing. Those have evasion up. So it may be a good idea to have Red Mage or Scholar around (Bards will do as well, but they are harder to come by) for Dispel.
Edited, May 10th 2010 1:23am by scchan
One thing in the levels 30s and 40s that you may be doing quite a bit of beetle crushing. Those have evasion up. So it may be a good idea to have Red Mage or Scholar around (Bards will do as well, but they are harder to come by) for Dispel.
Edited, May 10th 2010 1:23am by scchan
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Thanks scchan, I appreciate the response.
I'll go ahead and swap out the Courage rings for some Balance rings and look into your food suggestions as well. I have been using Meat Mithkabobs but I suppose those won't be doing me any good if I'm not landing hits!
I'll go ahead and swap out the Courage rings for some Balance rings and look into your food suggestions as well. I have been using Meat Mithkabobs but I suppose those won't be doing me any good if I'm not landing hits!
For qufim you would want to be using rice dumplings or pizza, both are better than sushi for a long time. Attack wins in lower levels and coupling it with a decent amount of accuracy works out better than only slightly more accuracy and no attack.
For gear you only have several options to improve and they are more of a luxury. Emperor hairpin (when 24+) and leaping boots would be the main two upgrade, followed by the use of a vision ring (enchantment accuracy) and/or mighty ring (enchantment attack).
Outside of that you're just facing the harsh reality that daggers are crappy weapons for much of the game. You could potentially consider swapping to hand-to-hand if you had some merits in it but the ~5skill and 4acc/6atk from knives would probably make it a wash. DPS of dagger is 12/185=3.89 vs 15~16/225.5=4-4.25 so you do have higher potential damage if you could hit it.
For gear you only have several options to improve and they are more of a luxury. Emperor hairpin (when 24+) and leaping boots would be the main two upgrade, followed by the use of a vision ring (enchantment accuracy) and/or mighty ring (enchantment attack).
Outside of that you're just facing the harsh reality that daggers are crappy weapons for much of the game. You could potentially consider swapping to hand-to-hand if you had some merits in it but the ~5skill and 4acc/6atk from knives would probably make it a wash. DPS of dagger is 12/185=3.89 vs 15~16/225.5=4-4.25 so you do have higher potential damage if you could hit it.
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There's not a whole heck of a lot you can do that'd have a real measure of effectiveness.
As mentioned, you simply haven't gotten to the point where much in the way of accuracy gear is available. The generally preferred rings for low level are actually Mighty Rings, since you can stack the Enhancement between two of them for +10 ATT total. In terms of relative gain, it's greater than much else available for a while. If gil is really tight though, buying a couple enchantment items you can't sell once you use them may not be attractive.
Low level accuracy sucks. It just does. To compound onto that, most accuracy food - and really any of it that adds a sizable chunk - is percentage based. At low levels, it does very little, especially considering the cost. Rice Dumplings are a nice low level party food since they have 5 ACC and an ATT boost, though they are slightly on the pricey side and won't do -that- much better. Mithkabobs are still decent - though at low level there are other meats that will be pretty much as effective for less gil (Meat Jerky for example). Sushi will start really being more viable in the later 30s and onward. -Not- sync'ed to 20. That's just a waste of gil.
If you actually XP at your real level, things will be a little better as you have the first-level Accuracy Bonus at level 30. DNC gets ACC Bonus II at 60 as well.
To put things in perspective a little, the general thing for DNC will be 2 DEX to 1 point of Accuracy. 2 ACC tends to translate to 1% parsed accuracy. Low level, it's not exactly uncommon to see accuracy rates in the 60-70% range, which at high level would be terrible, but at low level you can't do much about other than get buffs from BRD n' COR.
Adding a few points of DEX, or even accuracy to that will not get you to high level performance. Nothing you can do with gear will. You might get your accuracy to 70% instead of 60%, which is fine, but it's still (in the grand scheme) pretty crappy.
At the same time, you want your hits to count. For DNC, it's not usually quite as big a deal since the job just plain isn't a heavy DD. That's not why it's invited. Still, damage is damage, and you aren't going to get TP if you hit for 0. That takes STR and ATT. Pulling that out to to put in small bits of DEX/ACC can be counterproductive.
Long-term, DNC tends to lack in ATT anyway. We have (relatively) low skill in Dagger, which is compensated for, to a point, by Accuracy Bonuses. Means we've got the accuracy of an A-ranked weapon, but lack a chunk of ATT.
Just push forward. Solo if you don't feel like you're adding much to parties. Options in the 40s will be far better. Sniper's Rings at 40, Bone Knife +1's at 46, Life Belt at 48...that's 30 ACC right there (I assume you don't have the gil for a Peacock Charm at 33). Plus Sushi (or Pizza) becomes decent. By that point, it'll be night and day to how things are now.
Changing out a little STR for DEX, or adding 3-4 ACC to what you have? Won't do much. But, that's all you really have at the moment. Best thing you can do to improve that (other than get buffers), is just press on so you can get to where there's decent ACC gear.
As mentioned, you simply haven't gotten to the point where much in the way of accuracy gear is available. The generally preferred rings for low level are actually Mighty Rings, since you can stack the Enhancement between two of them for +10 ATT total. In terms of relative gain, it's greater than much else available for a while. If gil is really tight though, buying a couple enchantment items you can't sell once you use them may not be attractive.
Low level accuracy sucks. It just does. To compound onto that, most accuracy food - and really any of it that adds a sizable chunk - is percentage based. At low levels, it does very little, especially considering the cost. Rice Dumplings are a nice low level party food since they have 5 ACC and an ATT boost, though they are slightly on the pricey side and won't do -that- much better. Mithkabobs are still decent - though at low level there are other meats that will be pretty much as effective for less gil (Meat Jerky for example). Sushi will start really being more viable in the later 30s and onward. -Not- sync'ed to 20. That's just a waste of gil.
If you actually XP at your real level, things will be a little better as you have the first-level Accuracy Bonus at level 30. DNC gets ACC Bonus II at 60 as well.
To put things in perspective a little, the general thing for DNC will be 2 DEX to 1 point of Accuracy. 2 ACC tends to translate to 1% parsed accuracy. Low level, it's not exactly uncommon to see accuracy rates in the 60-70% range, which at high level would be terrible, but at low level you can't do much about other than get buffs from BRD n' COR.
Adding a few points of DEX, or even accuracy to that will not get you to high level performance. Nothing you can do with gear will. You might get your accuracy to 70% instead of 60%, which is fine, but it's still (in the grand scheme) pretty crappy.
At the same time, you want your hits to count. For DNC, it's not usually quite as big a deal since the job just plain isn't a heavy DD. That's not why it's invited. Still, damage is damage, and you aren't going to get TP if you hit for 0. That takes STR and ATT. Pulling that out to to put in small bits of DEX/ACC can be counterproductive.
Long-term, DNC tends to lack in ATT anyway. We have (relatively) low skill in Dagger, which is compensated for, to a point, by Accuracy Bonuses. Means we've got the accuracy of an A-ranked weapon, but lack a chunk of ATT.
Just push forward. Solo if you don't feel like you're adding much to parties. Options in the 40s will be far better. Sniper's Rings at 40, Bone Knife +1's at 46, Life Belt at 48...that's 30 ACC right there (I assume you don't have the gil for a Peacock Charm at 33). Plus Sushi (or Pizza) becomes decent. By that point, it'll be night and day to how things are now.
Changing out a little STR for DEX, or adding 3-4 ACC to what you have? Won't do much. But, that's all you really have at the moment. Best thing you can do to improve that (other than get buffers), is just press on so you can get to where there's decent ACC gear.
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I did not know mighty rings stacked with themselves, have you verified that?
Also note that pizza is always good after level 10. Slightly less at/str for a decent amount of accuracy is a solid trade off, which is why Rice Dumplings used to be the best option til 40s.
Pizza +1 is 21% attack, cap 55 (base ~260) and 11% accuracy that lasts 4 hours, or 8 hours if you double-food duration in the past or white gate, which if you're partying for the day that only costs you 500 gil per hour. Meat kabobs are about the same cost, but will only last you 6 hours and aren't as good total damage.
At level 20 a pizza will be giving you at least 8 accuracy and around 20 attack. Rice dumplings are 5acc/3str/20%atk and 30 minutes, but twice as expensive as a pizza +1, so it depends on if you die often or party for brief periods of time. Sushi will probably only give you a couple more points of accuracy than pizza, but significantly less damage from lack of attack.
Because you're a dancer, TP is still important so you'll want to lean towards pizza or rice dumplings whereas others might just go kabobs. I wouldn't suggest going as far as sushi until 36 when you're doing past birds.
Also note that pizza is always good after level 10. Slightly less at/str for a decent amount of accuracy is a solid trade off, which is why Rice Dumplings used to be the best option til 40s.
Pizza +1 is 21% attack, cap 55 (base ~260) and 11% accuracy that lasts 4 hours, or 8 hours if you double-food duration in the past or white gate, which if you're partying for the day that only costs you 500 gil per hour. Meat kabobs are about the same cost, but will only last you 6 hours and aren't as good total damage.
At level 20 a pizza will be giving you at least 8 accuracy and around 20 attack. Rice dumplings are 5acc/3str/20%atk and 30 minutes, but twice as expensive as a pizza +1, so it depends on if you die often or party for brief periods of time. Sushi will probably only give you a couple more points of accuracy than pizza, but significantly less damage from lack of attack.
Because you're a dancer, TP is still important so you'll want to lean towards pizza or rice dumplings whereas others might just go kabobs. I wouldn't suggest going as far as sushi until 36 when you're doing past birds.
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Requim wrote:
I did not know mighty rings stacked with themselves, have you verified that?
I'll vouch for it. I sync a LOT and Mighty Rings are my rings of choice. Helps that I can craft them myself.
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Jack-o-lantern gives 10 acc and eva which might help you while in soloplay and the acc certanily beats the dumplings 5 if acc is THAT bad.
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Thanks everyone who replied. Your advice was all very helpful & appreciated. I've added all the suggestions to the bottom of my original post, in case other new Dancers have similar questions.
Props to you for incorporating the responses into the OP to help others.
For my bit, you should list pizza as the food of choice for basically anything at any level except birds. Sushi isn't worth using before colibri camps.
Pizza ftw
For my bit, you should list pizza as the food of choice for basically anything at any level except birds. Sushi isn't worth using before colibri camps.
Pizza ftw
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If you're syncing to 20-30, I'd highly recommend using /rng over /nin, unless you're dead set on dual wield (and to be honest, it's not that great at lower levels). The acc bonus trait from /rng can do a lot for you.
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Requim - Your note has been updated.
Desoo - Your suggestion has been added.
Thank you both.
Desoo - Your suggestion has been added.
Thank you both.
If you're hitting for 0-7 and not that often, it's my belief you're overcamping, which is a serious problem at lower levels. People think IT is the way to go and that's just not right.
Now, if you're hitting that weak/infrequently on VT, then something is wrong.
I forgot all about /RNG, but that's probably your best bet. As long as you're hitting enough to build adequate TP, damage isn't a problem. It's nice to do both at the same time, but your TP usage is more important.
Now, if you're hitting that weak/infrequently on VT, then something is wrong.
I forgot all about /RNG, but that's probably your best bet. As long as you're hitting enough to build adequate TP, damage isn't a problem. It's nice to do both at the same time, but your TP usage is more important.
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As others say qufim is generally a rough time for most melee, it just shows more on dnc when you absoultly need to gain TP. Just follow the advice given and id avoid syncing there when you dont have too
If your syncing to 25+ then this is worth picking up http://www.ffxiah.com/item.php?id=11493 no where near as expensive as emp pin and a great piece to use up until zeal cap. Worth every gil, i keep one around just incase im sync to any level below zeal cap.
If your syncing to 25+ then this is worth picking up http://www.ffxiah.com/item.php?id=11493 no where near as expensive as emp pin and a great piece to use up until zeal cap. Worth every gil, i keep one around just incase im sync to any level below zeal cap.
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Mentioned already, but h2h is good 'up to' the point of quifim. I used them 'through' qufim, but it really dies off right around there.
Daggers and h2h both pretty much blow for dnc mid 20s vs crabs.
Since I know 2 of the 3 options sucked at that level, the best bet is, sadly, probably swords. There are several good swords at that level and I had them in my bank at the time, but I 'usually' would use swords at that level range on any job that can equip them. Lower acc, but the skill cap doesn't hurt you much at that level and the dmg trade-off is very worth it. There are also swords with dex on them that you can duel-wield as well should you need it.
Once you dredge through that and hit 24-26 (whenever I'd start going to khazam pt) - things are fine with daggers again.
You will encounter many levels that dnc just feels 'blah' until you hit 40 and can contribute haste-samba consistently. From there it's pretty clean sailing vs birds, where your haste, acc bonus, quickstep, reverse flourish, and 'dmg bonus' from daggers really shine.
Edited, May 14th 2010 12:24pm by FUJILIVES
Daggers and h2h both pretty much blow for dnc mid 20s vs crabs.
Since I know 2 of the 3 options sucked at that level, the best bet is, sadly, probably swords. There are several good swords at that level and I had them in my bank at the time, but I 'usually' would use swords at that level range on any job that can equip them. Lower acc, but the skill cap doesn't hurt you much at that level and the dmg trade-off is very worth it. There are also swords with dex on them that you can duel-wield as well should you need it.
Once you dredge through that and hit 24-26 (whenever I'd start going to khazam pt) - things are fine with daggers again.
You will encounter many levels that dnc just feels 'blah' until you hit 40 and can contribute haste-samba consistently. From there it's pretty clean sailing vs birds, where your haste, acc bonus, quickstep, reverse flourish, and 'dmg bonus' from daggers really shine.
Edited, May 14th 2010 12:24pm by FUJILIVES
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