Can 2 dancers main heal in normal pt from 37-75?Follow

Yes, 2 DNCs is even slight overkill for main healing. The only problem is you won't have haste (or not a form that affects recast) so your NIN tanks will be pissed, and you won't have refresh so your PLD tanks will be pissed. Try to get a BRD or a good COR when possible so your PLD can get some love.

Depending on your party setup, one of you could at least sub COR for Hunter's Roll or Chaos Roll if you have a RNG or DRK in party. You will still get the job bonus for the roll. I had a friend that went DRK/COR (mid levels) and chaos roll was getting upto 17% for all DD.

I know what you mean, and I assume you know what you mean, but I'm going to get really nitpicky here so that there is no confusion.

Dual wield does not grant any haste. It grants delay reduction, which has much different effects than haste. The fact that you swing faster than you otherwise would is the only thing they have in common.

I lvled my DNC in a static with another DNC. We had no other mages or tanks and tag team tanked and split healing. It worked pretty well all the way up through 75. Got a little tricky on Colibris with pecking flurry sometimes, but other than that we didn't have much trouble.

Its still a form of haste, you attack faster getting more DoT and even with the changes to tp gain, your still increasing ws frequency, especially when haste is applied to the lower delay.



subbing COR for Chaos roll means you need to have a DRK in the pty for it to be any good, and it won't increase the pty DMG by 10%, it would increase their attack by ~10%. The DMG increase the pty receives would depend on the defence/lvl of the mob your fighting.

2xDNC pty's are great 15-40, but after that, it'd be much better to just find a RDM or WHM to accompany the DNC, and an actual COR to give full buffs.

In the OP's case, it would work, but its not the normal thing. Losing out on Haste spell means DD's will do around 17-20% less DMG overall depending on any Haste gear they might already have on during those lvl's (usually anywhere from 3-11% gear depending on which DD's you get, 11% being a good MNK). That loss, along with Dia-diaII, slow etc doesn't make 2xDNC practical post40.

Ofc it would work, its just no where near optimal. The whole /COR thing would only be worth it with the relevant job is in your pty too, even then, getting an actual COR would be a lot better. The whole pty would need rr as a death w/o a raise could/would completely slow you down.



This sounds a lot better, use your 2 DNC's to tank/heal your way to 75, get a support job, ideally BRD simply because of Elegy, then 3 DD.

Edited, Oct 13th 2009 1:14pm by Sandmasterr

No, it isn't, and now you're starting to piss me off because people who don't understand the difference are going to have false information because you keep insisting that they are more or less the same thing.

Haste

1) Decreases weapon delay
2) Does not decrease tp/hit
3) Increases DoT
4) Significantly increases WS frequency
5) Decreases recast timers for spells

Dual Wield

1) Decreases weapon delay
2) DOES decrease tp/hit
3) Increases DoT
4) Very slightly increases WS frequency sometimes, but sometimes decreases it.
5) Has no effect on recast timers for spells

There is absolutely no reason for you to ever refer to dual wield as a form of haste. It's not true, and it creates confusion among people who don't know the difference. All it does is help you be lazy in explaining your arguments.

Edit: spelling

Edited, Oct 13th 2009 9:49am by KaishenRamuh

#4 could be better phrased as what it changes your tp/hit to and what it was leaving you with your minimum hits to 100.

A) Yay if you over shooting to 105 tp beforehand
B) Boo if you were now hitting 99.7 tp afterhand

Generally speaking, DW doesn't change your WS frequency especially with such low tp weapons. The likelihood of a dagger user landing at odd numbers over 100 is common, factor in saber dance or joy/merc and you'll quite often over shoot 100.

IIRC, there are a couple dagger combos coupled with DW+suppa+mirke that hit scenario B.

aww, your getting pissed off @ correctness on an internet chat forum, how sad.

Haste and Dual Wield do very similar things. Anyone with half a brain knows they're independent of each other, but they are the only 2 things in the game that increase attack speed via reducing the delay of your weapon.




Both of which, for me as a DD, is their primary uses.

Getting pissed off over something so trivial is pathetic.

Actually 10% attack boost increases your damage by MORE than 10% provided you are fighting something beyond EM. The level correction function works like so:

Lets say you have something 6 levels above = -0.3 Level correction

Example #1 (200 att/200 def) -0.3(LC) = 0.7 PDIF

now add 10% attack (20 attack)

(220 att/200 def) -0.3(LC) = 0.8 PDIF

0.8/0.7 = 14.3% damage increase

Example #2 (100att/200 def) -0.3LC = 0.2 PDIF
110/200 -0.3LC = 0.25PDIF
0.25/0.2 = 25% damage increase


Example #3 300att/200 def -0.3 LC = 1.2 PDIF
330/200 -0.3 = 1.35
1.35/1.2 = 12.5% damage increase


So you are correct in saying it won't equal 10% damage, it will be MORE.




Yeah, I'd find someplace else besides the mire to go on dancer. Similar to BLM not fighting colibri.

The only thing I was wrong about was saying Haste increases the benefit of DW. Other than that, i'll carry on saying/thinking,writing that DW is just another form of haste.

I'm not the one who's full of myself, you started off saying your going to 'Nit Pick' something i said, then it went to full out getting pissed off by it. Its evident from your posting in general that you like to disagree/correct ppl. Each to their own.


On average, it'll be 12-13% DMG boost. Anything where your hitting around 0.25 won't be anything you exp on. Scissor guard and cocoon should be dispelled / overwritten instantly so they don't count.

Either way, there are better ways to Utilize 2xDNC than to have one of them sub COR 50-75.

Pty's 10-37~40 make good use out of having subjob's like /COR /DNC /BRD in their pty's, especially for Drain Samba, and Hunter's roll @ 22.

In the end, you can call it w/e you want, but it's as much a form of haste as double/triple attack is. They have different names for a reason, because they're not the same thing.