Dancer Improvements? Follow

Hey guys - lately I've been wondering abit about this myself so... If you could have any changes made to Dnc what would you want?

I love playing as DNC quite abit - its one of the most fun, engaging jobs I've played on FFXI and I feel like it has so much untapped potential just as it is. However, there are times I get abit frustrated about it. On my server I never really get to do a whole lot because DNC isn't a job that many people want doing events with them, so if I get to go its usually as a "tag-along" job if people aren't getting lucky getting as many people as they want. In Einherjar my LS puts me in the "left-overs" party, despite my pleas to go into a DD/tank party to keep everybody hasted with my fully merited Haste Samba or quickly heal a tank if they take a big hit. I feel that because DNC is a Hybrid job, it has abit more trouble finding a niche as some of the other jobs do. Even with the awesome new merits sometimes I feel like DNC could still use a power boost, cuz there are some times (especially in end game situations) where I feel like I'm not operating as efficiently as some of the other jobs (like handling a big AOE with an inability to cure faster due to linked timers.). It may just be the playerbase's ignorance about us, but if you guys could add some improvements to DNC what would you want?

-More Jigs?
-Lowered/seperate waltz/floruish recast timers?
-A new dance that would give an effect that would make its support more dramatic and desireable? (Like an AOE regain or something)
-Divine Waltz II/III?
-Auto-Regain/a larger TP bar? (maybe abit much...No Foot Rise makes getting TP abit easier now)
-Being made into the new Tank job? (Fan Dance and the +emnity on etoile gloves made me abit suspicious about what SE was planning with Dnc...)

It's more likely that none of the improvements we want would be implimented but if you had control what would you do to make dancer even better? Personally I used to joke around about an ability that toggles our HP waltzes to MP to be able to shoot 700+ MP into mages and tanks with a CW4 - broken as hell but it would be pretty interesting.



Edited, Apr 11th 2009 3:40pm by ShibayamaG

Well I think its be best if Watlz would be divided as follow: Healing alone, Divine alone, 4 curing togetter. Would allow us as healer to fill other roll than single target heavy healer, we'd also be able to managed status curing without endangering anyone because of timers.

Following the same logic, adding divine waltz II/III might allow us to deal more easily with massive AoE mobs. Also what I'd like to see is a AoE healing Waltz but with a bigger timer (something like 30 sec) Cause I sure hate going through all target when I'm healing the DD pt in limbus.

So thats what I'd like to see, 3 group for waltz with some added waltz to fill a bit more 2 of them.

Edited, Apr 11th 2009 5:40pm by Delarius

I only want two things.

1 - Give Healing Waltz a shorter recast or put it on it's own timer. It's really stupid that healing a status effect locks you out of cures for 15 seconds.

2 - Let us cure alliance members. I can live with not being able to cure random passers by, but at least let us cure within an alliance.

spend your time mastering the job instead of making threads like this.

Orin I rate you up for the amount of thought you put into that. But I also must agree that we should just push the limits of what we have some more.

milich, this has nothing to do with me not being good enough at DNC so I feel it needs to be "easier" - its just supposed to be a fun thread about what you would add to DNC to make it even better. Just about everybody has frustrations about thier job and little to big issues that they would tweak if they could. Hell look at pups - you could be a total master at that job but that dosnt mean you have to like the 20 minute pet recast, or wonky AI programming of the WHM frame that cures a status ailment over hp every time even when close to death.
Dnc dosn't have anything big going against them like that but still the job has afew limits that could be expanded upon. It's interesting to hear what everybody has to say.



This is something I've been thinking about too - an ability that cuts the tp cost of waltzes for abit. In places like Einherjar where my party has no healer class and I'm responsible for keeping everybody alive it becomes abit of a TP crunch with all the AOE's flying around (bones... *shudder*). If the ability also cut the recast time as well as the tp cost it would make using Curing Waltz IV less of a risk in high pressure situations.

In general the Dancer Acheivement thread *should* be for the things you mentioned, but for the most part it's a gear obtaining thread, which is unfortunate.

If you really take such umbridge with threads like this, you could easily make the thread dedicated to the things you wanted to talk about :) I think having a thread that compiles new strats for Dnc would be a great idea.

Edited, Apr 12th 2009 2:58pm by ShibayamaG

That CS was rather amazing - would be great if we could take out an army of orcs like she did XD

As far as X's Knife goes, isn't that because X herself is a THF/BST?

Some kind of Raise ability. That's all I can think of or would want. Call it "Dance of the Dead"

My ideas:

- a Job Ability that allows us to ignore defense (partially or not) in sacrifice of attack speed.
- "Refreshing Waltz" I know the idea has been shunned, but maybe say 70% tp for 100 mp. I know we have aspir samba, but some PLD's can't even hit well enough to make it worthwhile over Haste Samba.
- Conserve TP, works the same way as the mp equivalent.
- a Job ability that AoE's jigs.
- Tp Drain Samba (Not too strong, maximum of 5% tp for a Great Axe)
- Jig that boosts morale of party members in range (morale being a random increase of certain stats).
- Flourishes III: Savage Flourish: Creates a self level 2/3 skillchain.
- Rehersal: Doubles potency of next Waltz (In terms of healing waltz, potential to remove 2 status ailments).
- Troupé Performance: Enhances the effects of anything that requires teamwork while a dancer is present: Skillchains and Magic Bursts come to mind.

Just for fun :P



That; I remember when they were first released the back story to Dancer they mentioned some dark-ish Dance which sounded a bit like necromancey, could eaisly be interpreted to Raise.



II; definately. III; potential suicide, and probably an exceedingly high tp cost.

Anything tp gain related isn't necessary now.



Yes please, if not lower tp cost at least seperate timers. Especially with Healing Waltz.

AoE Healing waltz would be stepping on WHM & SCH's toes a bit. But a significantly less tp cost/recast as 20% tp is a LOT even if you only have to heal 3 people.

Tanking can be done by almost any job, and we have the tools for it, just need acceptance that we can actually do it.

Edit: Speeling misteaks

Edited, May 18th 2009 12:23pm by Dantai

Since the 3 steps available to Dancers only focus on their target's defensive capabilities, I'd like to see a higher tier of steps (perhaps 20 tp per step) that reduces the target's offensive capabilities (Accuracy, Attack, Magic Attack).

Also, I don't think it'd be a threat to other jobs that can heal if the Waltzes were on separate timers. We'd certainly burn our tp a lot faster, and the limits on our tp pool would still force a level of reservation on our part.

Shiba if you haven't noticed yet I made a thread on this on in the feedback forum on how to improve DNC in endgame. Here's the link. I made a master list of what could be added/improved with DNC.

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=29;mid=1241109594828545;num=95;page=1

Edited, May 20th 2009 6:46am by DymlosAileronBahamut

I don't think that we need shorter/split recasts on Waltzes.

I've always said that DNC was probably the most complete out-of-the-box job that SE ever came up with, and was pretty much spot-on balanced from the moment it was implemented. One of the reasons that DNC is so balanced, imo, is the exact thing that most people complain about; the fact that all of our cures are based on a single recast timer. We never ever have to rest because our healing potential is driven by adding to melee DoT, killing the mob at the same time.

WHM, on the other hand, needs to rest at times to restore their MP and can't contribute much more than tossing out hastes and a dia or two outside of healing. What really sets WHM apart and keeps them as the #1 healer is their ability to cure MASSIVE amounts of HP in a short amount of time. If you allow DNC to drop 3 or 4 CW4s back-to-back and you take away one of WHM's main advantages. Even the 300% cap on TP and the large TP cost for high-tier CWs isn't much of a hindrance when you consider things like NFR and merited Reverse Flourish.

If there's going to be any addition to waltzes, I think the idea someone had of having charges set up for them where you can drop 2-3 cures in a row before you start hitting recasts. Would be AWESOME for times when waltzes get para'd. Probably one of the most annoying thing about DNC imo.

But again, there's really nothing I think needs to be changed about DNC. Anything more and you start getting into the "OMG DNC IS OVERPOWERED!" area.

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Now, to the FUN part of the post....

I would love to have a larger selection of abilities for greater versatility. A better way to gain TP while idling outside of /SAM and NFR/RF would ROCK for things like BCs and high end stuff, and the ability to cure outside of your party would make us MUCH more desired.

Having a greater selection of Sambas would be fun (HASTE SAMBA II!!!!), and Raising Jig/Flourish/Waltz would be awesome.