Hey all.
I should get my Inferno Claws today after finally recording floor 100 yesterday. Funny thing is, now I have to figure out what makes for a good Stringing Pummel ws set.
To start with, here is my tp set:
main: Oxyurain (str/att)
ranged: Turbo Charger
ammo: Oil +3
ear 1: Brutal Earring
ear 2: Aesir Ear Pendant (should this be Kemas? I never am sure)
ring 1: Rajas Ring
ring 2: Epona's Ring
waist: Twilight Belt
back: Pantin Cape
armor: full af3+2 (including the feet, helps whm puppet stick debuffs when solo, and excellent acc for when punching hard stuff)
This sits me at 24% haste.
So, about Stringing Pummel, I have no idea what to use! I do have the Shadow Belt and Shadow Gorget already, so if elemental neck/belt are a good choice I'll use those. Also, should I be using Kemas in my tp set? And, do we do Stringing Pummel n the Epona's and hope for a proc? I'm completely lost here.
Thanks in advance for the advice.
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I currently use the below for my SP set :
Oxyurani (Fire)
Pantin Taj +2
Toci's Harness
Cirque Guanti +2
Ptn. Churidars +2
Cirque Scarpe +2
Flame Gorget
Soil Belt
Kemas Earring
Brutal Earring
Spiral Ring
Rajas Ring
Pantin Cape
This build gives me +56 Str +41 Dex and only +7 Vit and of course the bonus from belt/gorget.
I believe Spiral Ring is better than Epona's simply because the Mods are always guaranteed where as Epona's is not.
Kemas Earring once again has the mods for SP and a bit of Acc which always helps.
I used Cirque +2 until I got my Toci's.
Oxyurani (Fire)
Pantin Taj +2
Toci's Harness
Cirque Guanti +2
Ptn. Churidars +2
Cirque Scarpe +2
Flame Gorget
Soil Belt
Kemas Earring
Brutal Earring
Spiral Ring
Rajas Ring
Pantin Cape
This build gives me +56 Str +41 Dex and only +7 Vit and of course the bonus from belt/gorget.
I believe Spiral Ring is better than Epona's simply because the Mods are always guaranteed where as Epona's is not.
Kemas Earring once again has the mods for SP and a bit of Acc which always helps.
I used Cirque +2 until I got my Toci's.
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Dalans wrote:
I currently use the below for my SP set :
Oxyurani (Fire)
Pantin Taj +2
Toci's Harness
Cirque Guanti +2
Ptn. Churidars +2
Cirque Scarpe +2
Flame Gorget
Soil Belt
Kemas Earring
Brutal Earring
Spiral Ring
Rajas Ring
Pantin Cape
This build gives me +56 Str +41 Dex and only +7 Vit and of course the bonus from belt/gorget.
I believe Spiral Ring is better than Epona's simply because the Mods are always guaranteed where as Epona's is not.
Kemas Earring once again has the mods for SP and a bit of Acc which always helps.
I used Cirque +2 until I got my Toci's.
Oxyurani (Fire)
Pantin Taj +2
Toci's Harness
Cirque Guanti +2
Ptn. Churidars +2
Cirque Scarpe +2
Flame Gorget
Soil Belt
Kemas Earring
Brutal Earring
Spiral Ring
Rajas Ring
Pantin Cape
This build gives me +56 Str +41 Dex and only +7 Vit and of course the bonus from belt/gorget.
I believe Spiral Ring is better than Epona's simply because the Mods are always guaranteed where as Epona's is not.
Kemas Earring once again has the mods for SP and a bit of Acc which always helps.
I used Cirque +2 until I got my Toci's.
With epona's you'd have the equivalent of 17% double attack though. (3% triple attack being basically 6% double attack except better because it only needs to trigger once) That is roughly 1/6 hits. Stringing pummel is 6 hits, so it'd be very rare that you didn't get at least 1 double/triple attack. Using your logic you should do away with brutal in favor of a STR earring, since it's the same thing as epona's but weaker.
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I think an ideal SP set looks something like:
Ranged: Deluxe Animator > Animator +1 > Turbo Animator
Head: Ocelomeh +1 (paired with body). Athos, Pantin+2, and Anwig are viable next options. (EDIT: see below discussion of Athos, which does increase in utility the more pieces of the set you have to the point where it may be the #1 choice)
Neck: Flame/Shadow/Soil Gorget. Ire/+1 are also very close if you're capped on Acc with their penalty, but you better be very sure you're capped or else gorgets win. Rancor (max tonberry hate) is a great option here... IF you aren't using Rancorous Mantle, because the crit on each doesn't stack (and Mantle is a better fit for WS since it also has Atk+17). Other solid choices include Agasaya's and Faith.
Ears: Brutal/Aesir. Aesir/Kemas/Ghillie are all so close as to be sidegrades, so I'll say the Conserve TP on Aesir gets the nod.
Body: Toci's Harness. If you don't have that, Ocelomeh Harness/+1 are also fantastic, and Cirque+2 is very respectable.
Hands: Athos, followed by Cirque+2.
Rings: Epona's/Spiral. I know it's hard to give up Rajas out of habit, but Epona/Spiral is the best combination over time for SP. Pyrosoul is actually probably your next best bet, and Rajas is still in the mix as a respectable option.
Back: Rancorous Mantle (with full Tonberry hate). Vellaunus is next.
Waist: Prosillo, followed byAnguinus slightly ahead of (EDIT: PUP can't use, sorry!) Elemental belts.
Legs: Thaumas. Euxine +2/+3 still beat any of the rest, then comes Usukane, Athos, and the fairly tightly packed group of Cirque+2/Pantin+2/Alcide's+1/Barbarossa (EDIT: Again, see more on Athos below)
Feet: Cirque +2
Edited, May 18th 2012 4:32pm by Anza
Edited, May 29th 2012 3:26pm by Anza
Ranged: Deluxe Animator > Animator +1 > Turbo Animator
Head: Ocelomeh +1 (paired with body). Athos, Pantin+2, and Anwig are viable next options. (EDIT: see below discussion of Athos, which does increase in utility the more pieces of the set you have to the point where it may be the #1 choice)
Neck: Flame/Shadow/Soil Gorget. Ire/+1 are also very close if you're capped on Acc with their penalty, but you better be very sure you're capped or else gorgets win. Rancor (max tonberry hate) is a great option here... IF you aren't using Rancorous Mantle, because the crit on each doesn't stack (and Mantle is a better fit for WS since it also has Atk+17). Other solid choices include Agasaya's and Faith.
Ears: Brutal/Aesir. Aesir/Kemas/Ghillie are all so close as to be sidegrades, so I'll say the Conserve TP on Aesir gets the nod.
Body: Toci's Harness. If you don't have that, Ocelomeh Harness/+1 are also fantastic, and Cirque+2 is very respectable.
Hands: Athos, followed by Cirque+2.
Rings: Epona's/Spiral. I know it's hard to give up Rajas out of habit, but Epona/Spiral is the best combination over time for SP. Pyrosoul is actually probably your next best bet, and Rajas is still in the mix as a respectable option.
Back: Rancorous Mantle (with full Tonberry hate). Vellaunus is next.
Waist: Prosillo, followed by
Legs: Thaumas. Euxine +2/+3 still beat any of the rest, then comes Usukane, Athos, and the fairly tightly packed group of Cirque+2/Pantin+2/Alcide's+1/Barbarossa (EDIT: Again, see more on Athos below)
Feet: Cirque +2
Edited, May 18th 2012 4:32pm by Anza
Edited, May 29th 2012 3:26pm by Anza
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I just wish we knew where mustela gear comes from.
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Maybe if we wait long enough, he'll tell us about how he walked barefoot uphill through snow both ways in Uleregand and defeated the evil Snoll Tzar with nothing but a stack of pebbles. Men were men back then. Mithra were men, too, but they don't talk about that.
Mellowy is awesome, now.
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louispv wrote:
I just wish we knew where mustela gear comes from.
Ah, good point. Legion seems like a good bet. Maybe an early addition unlocked with Neo-Limbus?
But yeah, those pieces look like they contain some pretty high end options for Pummel/Smite/Spiral.
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Anza wrote:
louispv wrote:
I just wish we knew where mustela gear comes from.
Ah, good point. Legion seems like a good bet. Maybe an early addition unlocked with Neo-Limbus?
But yeah, those pieces look like they contain some pretty high end options for Pummel/Smite/Spiral.
Hopefully it's limbus, then there's be a reason to do it for jobs that can't use homam. (there's no augments that could possibly make nashiera useful)
Nevermind, it's legion points gear. 3k points per piece... You're lucky to get 100 points per run....
Edited, May 20th 2012 8:25pm by louispv
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Maybe if we wait long enough, he'll tell us about how he walked barefoot uphill through snow both ways in Uleregand and defeated the evil Snoll Tzar with nothing but a stack of pebbles. Men were men back then. Mithra were men, too, but they don't talk about that.
Mellowy is awesome, now.
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I'm sorry. My hoovercraft is full of Summoners. As soon as I claim a thread, they just flood out and cover the whole place. Slippery suckers, those Summoners.
louispv wrote:
Nevermind, it's legion points gear. 3k points per piece... You're lucky to get 100 points per run....
Well, usually S-E makes adjustments and improves some of these events to make them more reasonable. I see Legion as very much like Einherjar, which started out very difficult AND not giving any ampoules unless you win the chamber. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Legion also get adjusted so it becomes easier to get points for the legion point gear.
Anza: Titan 2004-2011 / Capuchin: Phoenix 2011-???
No love for crit damage + gear for pummel anza?
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The available options are overshadowed by better items in those slots. For example, on the body, Toci's is far superior to Athos', and in the legs, Thaumas and Cirque+2 are better than Athos', too.
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TaimMeich wrote:
The available options are overshadowed by better items in those slots. For example, on the body, Toci's is far superior to Athos', and in the legs, Thaumas and Cirque+2 are better than Athos', too.
10 acc and att is better then 5 dex and 4% crit hit rate bonus?(Plus 3% crit hit rate if your wearing the head)
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Laxedrane the Irrelevant wrote:
TaimMeich wrote:
The available options are overshadowed by better items in those slots. For example, on the body, Toci's is far superior to Athos', and in the legs, Thaumas and Cirque+2 are better than Athos', too.
10 acc and att is better then 5 dex and 4% crit hit rate bonus?(Plus 3% crit hit rate if your wearing the head)
I think I did overlook Athos' legs. Solely comparing the legs slot, Thaumas and Euxine +2/+3 still beat em, Usu still have a slight edge, but Athos are in that next cluster of good options.
You're right though that Athos become better if you're getting additional set bonus from also using Athos hands or head. On the other hand, have to also consider the Toci/Ocelomeh set bonus of 3% Triple Attack for head+body.
On closer examination, I think the best current SP set excluding Mustela gear would be:
Deluxe Animator
Athos head
Ele. Gorget
Brutal/Aesir
Toci's
Athos hands
Epona/Spiral
Rancorous Mantle
Prosillo Belt
Athos legs
Cirque +2 feet
Thaumus legs and Athos legs are pretty much a wash in that set, but without the Athos set bonus Thaumus would be the easy winner.
Anza: Titan 2004-2011 / Capuchin: Phoenix 2011-???
Whoops, let me just say I said those stats wrong. 4% crit hit damage, not rate.
Edit: While I am here, Why 7 attack over 2 str vit, acc4 earring? Thought acc and core stats> attack on sp?
Edit2: Agn belt isn't equippable by pup either.
Edited, May 26th 2012 8:22am by Laxedrane
Edited, May 26th 2012 8:28am by Laxedrane
Edit: While I am here, Why 7 attack over 2 str vit, acc4 earring? Thought acc and core stats> attack on sp?
Edit2: Agn belt isn't equippable by pup either.
Edited, May 26th 2012 8:22am by Laxedrane
Edited, May 26th 2012 8:28am by Laxedrane
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For the most part, what anza said, but there are a couple points I want to comment on;
With epona's you'd have the equivalent of 17% double attack though. (3% triple attack being basically 6% double attack except better because it only needs to trigger once) That is roughly 1/6 hits. Stringing pummel is 6 hits, so it'd be very rare that you didn't get at least 1 double/triple attack. Using your logic you should do away with brutal in favor of a STR earring, since it's the same thing as epona's but weaker.
While you're correct that Epona is stronger than spiral (and spiral is stronger than rajas, as anza pointed out), the bold part is inaccurate. No matter how many hits a ws has, only the first 2 attacks can proc DA/TA/QA, regardless of whether they hit or miss (though obviously relative to the total number of hits, since you can't proc QA on any of the ws that already have 6-8 hits, or get a 6th hit via DW), so the effectiveness of DA/TA for SP is diminished slightly by that fact. Extra hits, however, will always trump small stat boosts (for SP), because of how low the stat mods are.
because pup's attack is naturally lower, having a big chunk of attack like that is very handy. The acc is mostly washed out against anything except for the toughest mobs, and 2 str/vit are not a very big upgrade. Yes, we're always hurting for available str/vit options, but because of the way crits work, crit ws make atk a bit more valuable, and 7 atk > 2 str 2 vit when you account for that.
louispv wrote:
Dalans wrote:
I currently use the below for my SP set :
Oxyurani (Fire)
Pantin Taj +2
Toci's Harness
Cirque Guanti +2
Ptn. Churidars +2
Cirque Scarpe +2
Flame Gorget
Soil Belt
Kemas Earring
Brutal Earring
Spiral Ring
Rajas Ring
Pantin Cape
This build gives me +56 Str +41 Dex and only +7 Vit and of course the bonus from belt/gorget.
I believe Spiral Ring is better than Epona's simply because the Mods are always guaranteed where as Epona's is not.
Kemas Earring once again has the mods for SP and a bit of Acc which always helps.
I used Cirque +2 until I got my Toci's.
Oxyurani (Fire)
Pantin Taj +2
Toci's Harness
Cirque Guanti +2
Ptn. Churidars +2
Cirque Scarpe +2
Flame Gorget
Soil Belt
Kemas Earring
Brutal Earring
Spiral Ring
Rajas Ring
Pantin Cape
This build gives me +56 Str +41 Dex and only +7 Vit and of course the bonus from belt/gorget.
I believe Spiral Ring is better than Epona's simply because the Mods are always guaranteed where as Epona's is not.
Kemas Earring once again has the mods for SP and a bit of Acc which always helps.
I used Cirque +2 until I got my Toci's.
With epona's you'd have the equivalent of 17% double attack though. (3% triple attack being basically 6% double attack except better because it only needs to trigger once) That is roughly 1/6 hits. Stringing pummel is 6 hits, so it'd be very rare that you didn't get at least 1 double/triple attack. Using your logic you should do away with brutal in favor of a STR earring, since it's the same thing as epona's but weaker.
While you're correct that Epona is stronger than spiral (and spiral is stronger than rajas, as anza pointed out), the bold part is inaccurate. No matter how many hits a ws has, only the first 2 attacks can proc DA/TA/QA, regardless of whether they hit or miss (though obviously relative to the total number of hits, since you can't proc QA on any of the ws that already have 6-8 hits, or get a 6th hit via DW), so the effectiveness of DA/TA for SP is diminished slightly by that fact. Extra hits, however, will always trump small stat boosts (for SP), because of how low the stat mods are.
Laxedrane the Irrelevant wrote:
Whoops, let me just say I said those stats wrong. 4% crit hit damage, not rate.
Edit: While I am here, Why 7 attack over 2 str vit, acc4 earring? Thought acc and core stats> attack on sp?
Edit2: Agn belt isn't equippable by pup either.
Edited, May 26th 2012 8:22am by Laxedrane
Edited, May 26th 2012 8:28am by Laxedrane
Edit: While I am here, Why 7 attack over 2 str vit, acc4 earring? Thought acc and core stats> attack on sp?
Edit2: Agn belt isn't equippable by pup either.
Edited, May 26th 2012 8:22am by Laxedrane
Edited, May 26th 2012 8:28am by Laxedrane
because pup's attack is naturally lower, having a big chunk of attack like that is very handy. The acc is mostly washed out against anything except for the toughest mobs, and 2 str/vit are not a very big upgrade. Yes, we're always hurting for available str/vit options, but because of the way crits work, crit ws make atk a bit more valuable, and 7 atk > 2 str 2 vit when you account for that.
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