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#1 Dec 23 2011 at 8:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Trial 5039: Pantin Taj +2: Adds "Enhances 'Optimization' effect"
Trial 5040: Pantin Tobe +2: Adds "Enhances 'Overdrive' effect"
Trial 5041: Pantin Dastanas +2: Adds "Enhances 'Fine-Tuning' effect"
Trial 5042: Pantin Churidars +2: Adds "Enhances 'Ventriloquy' effect"
Trial 5043: Pantin Babouches +2: Adds "Enhances 'Role Reversal' effect"

Anyone been able to test how much enhancement each piece gives?
#2 Dec 24 2011 at 7:07 PM Rating: Decent
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well you need a decent amount of forgotten items then 20k each in the zone with the item equiped to upgrade it.

Id bet most haven't unlocked the pup ones yet. I have the +2 gloves, but havent started to farm the exp for the upgrade since i usually go mnk.
#3 Dec 26 2011 at 12:18 AM Rating: Good
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+15 second to overdrive duration on the body, role reversal is +50 static HP recovered to both pet and master per merit (1:1 +50 at 1/5, 1:1 +250 at 5/5)

Optimization hat is worthless because it doesn't affect pet: MAB at 1/5 merits or at 5/5, unless it's broken

Never got around to bothering with testing vent or FT. Also, diggin' the out and out copy pasta of my list of relic+2 Smiley: laugh

dustinfoley wrote:
well you need a decent amount of forgotten items then 20k each in the zone with the item equiped to upgrade it.

Id bet most haven't unlocked the pup ones yet. I have the +2 gloves, but havent started to farm the exp for the upgrade since i usually go mnk.


They added 'em all to the test server with the last test update. Storage Slip 13 has every single piece of augmented relic +2. Check BGwiki's list of Relic+2, the day of the update we belted out like... 1/3 of the pieces, including almost all of the 2hours.
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Am I the only one who clicked on this thread expecting actual baby photos [of Jinte]? o.O

Except if it were baby photos, it would be like looking at before and afters of Michael Jackson. Only instead of turning into a white guy, he changes into a chick!
#4 Dec 27 2011 at 6:19 AM Rating: Decent
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Very good info thank you,

Feet for role-reversal actually look good then, use it often to get my pet ready for deactivate->activate.

Too bad the optimization from the hat doesn't work.. could use a pet MAB/MAC+ for the headslot.

The hands i'm not worried about, won't wear them unless it's automaton only fighting, even if fine-tuning does work, i rarely use only my automaton as DD.
Guess could be nice for the Sharpshot frame. Even though i don't know if +13 STR/DEX/AGI from af3+2 would be beaten.

Lastly i'm interested how ventriloquy could even be enhanced... Would it reduce (or increase) hate on both pet and master after use? Does it interfere with dues-ex->ventrilquy->gone from hate list?




Edited, Dec 27th 2011 7:24am by OOOFloW
#5 Dec 27 2011 at 8:05 AM Rating: Good
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OOOFloW wrote:
Very good info thank you,

Feet for role-reversal actually look good then, use it often to get my pet ready for deactivate->activate.

Too bad the optimization from the hat doesn't work.. could use a pet MAB/MAC+ for the headslot.

The hands i'm not worried about, won't wear them unless it's automaton only fighting, even if fine-tuning does work, i rarely use only my automaton as DD.
Guess could be nice for the Sharpshot frame. Even though i don't know if +13 STR/DEX/AGI from af3+2 would be beaten.

Lastly i'm interested how ventriloquy could even be enhanced... Would it reduce (or increase) hate on both pet and master after use? Does it interfere with dues-ex->ventrilquy->gone from hate list?




Edited, Dec 27th 2011 7:24am by OOOFloW

I teamed up w/ a friend on test server to try to test this using libra on a sch... but really we couldn't figure which direction to even test. How would you enhance an enmity swap? why would you want to?

I would think you would not want to reduce or increase enmity. Sometimes you would want this to put hate on pet, sometimes to take hate from pet... any change in the behavior would most likely be problematic...
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#6 Dec 27 2011 at 9:49 AM Rating: Good
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well, the ultimate result is that if you want to store them, you have to augment them, because you can't use the storage slip until after they're augmented. Given that whatever the vent enhancement is, it'll be "increases based on # of merits), and vent will never leave 1/5, it's probably not worth bothering for the swap. Someone'll figure it out eventually when they're bored, but it's kind of like war relic feet, that only lessen the defense penalty on bersserk, and only while wearing the boots; utterly useless 99.5% of the time, barely helpful/situationally useful 0.5% of the time.
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Reiterpallasch wrote:
Glitterhands wrote:
Am I the only one who clicked on this thread expecting actual baby photos [of Jinte]? o.O

Except if it were baby photos, it would be like looking at before and afters of Michael Jackson. Only instead of turning into a white guy, he changes into a chick!
#7 Dec 27 2011 at 10:07 AM Rating: Decent
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Xilk wrote:
OOOFloW wrote:
Very good info thank you,

Feet for role-reversal actually look good then, use it often to get my pet ready for deactivate->activate.

Too bad the optimization from the hat doesn't work.. could use a pet MAB/MAC+ for the headslot.

The hands i'm not worried about, won't wear them unless it's automaton only fighting, even if fine-tuning does work, i rarely use only my automaton as DD.
Guess could be nice for the Sharpshot frame. Even though i don't know if +13 STR/DEX/AGI from af3+2 would be beaten.

Lastly i'm interested how ventriloquy could even be enhanced... Would it reduce (or increase) hate on both pet and master after use? Does it interfere with dues-ex->ventrilquy->gone from hate list?




Edited, Dec 27th 2011 7:24am by OOOFloW

I teamed up w/ a friend on test server to try to test this using libra on a sch... but really we couldn't figure which direction to even test. How would you enhance an enmity swap? why would you want to?

I would think you would not want to reduce or increase enmity. Sometimes you would want this to put hate on pet, sometimes to take hate from pet... any change in the behavior would most likely be problematic...


On a related note, +2 hands should be full time hands as they let you stay at capped haste and give your pet haste. There is no reason to not use them. Add in moepapa stone and zelus tiara and you get a decent amount of pet haste.

I haven't sat down to calculate it yet, but I think the DA you lose from head/belt more than are made up from the extra 5 % pet haste (if already using 4% pet haste gloves).
#8 Dec 27 2011 at 10:22 AM Rating: Good
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OOOFloW wrote:
Very good info thank you,

Feet for role-reversal actually look good then, use it often to get my pet ready for deactivate->activate.

Too bad the optimization from the hat doesn't work.. could use a pet MAB/MAC+ for the headslot.

The hands i'm not worried about, won't wear them unless it's automaton only fighting, even if fine-tuning does work, i rarely use only my automaton as DD.
Guess could be nice for the Sharpshot frame. Even though i don't know if +13 STR/DEX/AGI from af3+2 would be beaten.

Lastly i'm interested how ventriloquy could even be enhanced... Would it reduce (or increase) hate on both pet and master after use? Does it interfere with dues-ex->ventrilquy->gone from hate list?


Fine-tuning or not, unless you're using stormwaker frame (regardless of which head), Pantin +2 will trounce Cirque +2, because of the pet: haste. 4% haste completely destroys 13 str/dex/agi. You take a tiny hit to your DD, since pantin+2 loses 6 str, 1 dex, and 6 store TP, but the extra haste for valoredge's dot or sharpshot's TP gain (mostly sharpshot's TP gain) more than makes up for that. The only thing that keeps them competitive is the set effect on cirque, which if you're in a situation where you're heavily leaning towards master DD, will push cirque ahead, but honestly, given how pet damage works vs high-def mobs (remember kirin? VE pretty much ignores level difference penalties), and how going from 4/5 of the set to 3/5 (if you're TPing in cirque scarpe, you're doin' it wrong, or you've got a bizarre TP set up that allows you to hit the gear haste cap w/o haste boots) of the set isn't a massive decrease, and is actually a small decrease to a small % anyway, so you don't lose much.

dustinfoley wrote:
Xilk wrote:
OOOFloW wrote:
Very good info thank you,

Feet for role-reversal actually look good then, use it often to get my pet ready for deactivate->activate.

Too bad the optimization from the hat doesn't work.. could use a pet MAB/MAC+ for the headslot.

The hands i'm not worried about, won't wear them unless it's automaton only fighting, even if fine-tuning does work, i rarely use only my automaton as DD.
Guess could be nice for the Sharpshot frame. Even though i don't know if +13 STR/DEX/AGI from af3+2 would be beaten.

Lastly i'm interested how ventriloquy could even be enhanced... Would it reduce (or increase) hate on both pet and master after use? Does it interfere with dues-ex->ventrilquy->gone from hate list?




Edited, Dec 27th 2011 7:24am by OOOFloW

I teamed up w/ a friend on test server to try to test this using libra on a sch... but really we couldn't figure which direction to even test. How would you enhance an enmity swap? why would you want to?

I would think you would not want to reduce or increase enmity. Sometimes you would want this to put hate on pet, sometimes to take hate from pet... any change in the behavior would most likely be problematic...


On a related note, +2 hands should be full time hands as they let you stay at capped haste and give your pet haste. There is no reason to not use them. Add in moepapa stone and zelus tiara and you get a decent amount of pet haste.

I haven't sat down to calculate it yet, but I think the DA you lose from head/belt more than are made up from the extra 5 % pet haste (if already using 4% pet haste gloves).


I'd really like to see a haste set that can reach the cap and still incorporate Pantin Gloves +2, Moepapa Stone, and Spurrer's Beret. The day we get that, we will have a delicious feast.
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Reiterpallasch wrote:
Glitterhands wrote:
Am I the only one who clicked on this thread expecting actual baby photos [of Jinte]? o.O

Except if it were baby photos, it would be like looking at before and afters of Michael Jackson. Only instead of turning into a white guy, he changes into a chick!
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