Automaton new WSFollow

I'm just going to assume it's 300. Still upset that Burts is 1 tp. It's the same as the bst axe from level 77.

Hopefully Armor Shatterer is awesome.

Armor Shatterer was averaging 700 with the same Atma listed above. Probably gets higher damage with proper atma. And no visible SC, at least nothing level 3.

Also, bug found. Puppet's killshots (not WS kill shot) is giving ruby lights.

Tested. Thunder is the trigger. It replaces string clipper on prioty list.

Confirmed Armor shatter Drag, Ripper Distortion.

Anomaly: Despite the fact both these skill should chain with Sp if those are the As they aren't. I Just spent the better part of an hour trying to figure out if these can do level 3(Double light or dark) and haven't been able to. Not sure if quen timing it wrong or inhibator glitched with the new ws data. Right now it looks like the later.

Can confirm it. 2.5k String Shredder > 3.1k Stringing Pummel > 3.1k Darkness

how did you got a 2.5k string shreder? :O highest i've seen is 1700 or so.

Great news!!!! Um I was trolling in abyssea with VVRRSS on... Tsukushi did shredder so then I pummeled... 3.1k shredder>5.9k pummel (something happened during the update and pummel is now retardedly stronger)> a5.9k darkness, so about 15k dmg sc... Maybe SE doesn't totally hate us.

Whatever it was it had to have at least 9k in HP...

Some caps including crit hits got lifted!

After skilling up...(RNG was at 333 but melee was only 307) I can confirm that--at least for the melee WS, though I'm use they're the same--You get the WS at 324 skill. I thoguht it'd be 325 or 330 but that works. Didn't see it posted anywhere so I figured I'd post it.


EDIT: http://www.mediafire.com/?qcwss118zxu3bj5
Here's confirmation that hitting 324 made him get the WS, incase someone wants that proof. I was using +1 pants and full melee merits, so 309 + 15 = 324

Edited, May 10th 2011 1:50pm by Darknightleo

Edited, May 10th 2011 1:51pm by Darknightleo

324 skill makes perfect sense, its the skill cap for level 85 A-.

If i ahve time tonight ill determine the WSC and try to figure out the skillchain properties.

I know ripper is distortion at minimum:
Ripper -> Pummel = darkness.


To confirm it,
VS -> ripper should give distortion
ripper -> ascetics should give fusion

I havent had a chance to test the SS one.

Good to know... looks like we can narrow this down pretty soon.

I'm capped on melee skill, but without Cirque+1 legs I am at 324 on ranged... going out right now to test.

EDIT: Confirmed Armor Shatterer with 324 automaton ranged skill. And my first attempt... MISSED with 1 Wind Maneuver and Scope, on a Sylvestre in Buburimu >.<

Edited, May 10th 2011 4:44pm by Anza

I know this probably isn't the time and place but...gear/atma set up? ^^;
I can only get about 3k-4k average on my pummels ><; 4k if i'm lucky.

I hate to turn our attention away from how mind-blowingly awesome String Shredder is, but have we found out anything about Armor Shatterer's SC properties, if it has any?

AS > SP did Fragmentation. It closed light as well in beseiged but I can't figure out what made it do that, maybe dragon kick > AS ? sorry not much info here atm >< will continue to test, the burts nerf knocked me down a bit lol.

so I'm using inhibitor and not getting String Shredder, Genta only uses Bone Crusher . .. I have enough skill

not to nitpick and derail much but unless they changed something recently then I know from breaking latents on a load of weapons that if your closing weaponskill kills the mob then the skillchain part doesn't go off. That was the point I was trying to make.

I admit I assumed you were doing this against a Bog Body (Qutrub) as they're the only normal mob I can think of in Abyssea that has enough HP to see the skillchain with that much damage.

Or is this exclusive to Abyssea (where you can see the skillchain regardless)? I honestly don't know for sure and would like confirmation.

Good to hear I'm not losing it just yet then. Now I really should pick up a few choice Atmas that I am still missing. Was getting near constant 3-3500 Pummels (with the occasional 4k+ spike) on dolls using Stout Arm / RR / GH before this update, so curious to see what happens when I finally get round to getting SS for more crit damage.

Whats the general consensus on the best combination for melee DD Atmas for master + pet with these new changes? SS/RR/AoA seems to be thrown around in a lot of conversations.

I will test the wsc sometime this weekend if I am not beaten to it.

With the old WS:

AP was based on str (~50%) and dex (~20). It was possible to get 3k AP with SA.VV.Roaring laughter. That being said the best combo for master/pet:
VV/RR/Apoc hands down.

GH/RR/APOC would is ok for solo but will do less dmg,.

Edited, May 11th 2011 11:06am by dustinfoley

It's Wind

Drop drum, it's really only useful on skilling, keep scope and turbo. Drum magazine will make your barrages harder to get good barrages on, since if any hit on the barrage misses, the rest miss not to mention drum mag, drops your racc by a lot.

Hitting consistant 3k to the worms in la thiene. Loving this fix, the other WS is still hitting about 2-2.5k, though.

Just a quick confirmation that before unlocking String Shredder, thunder still triggers string clipper... This last 3 points of skill is taking forever....

Tried the new WSs outside of abyss, during a Nyzul run to get some trial weapons for friends:

String Shredder is pretty unimpressive, doing about 600-700 damage. SS + Darkness from skillchaining with SP did a combined damage of around 1500.

Armor shatterer on the other hand... Very solid 2-2.5k damage, and although the skillchain is not level 3, Fusion is potent enough to make for very impressive damage.


Haven't had a chance to go to abyss, and will be away for a pair weeks, so I'm curious about it: is Sharpshot still clearly better inside abyss, taking into account RR benefitting Valoredge melee more? (plus the increased SS damage, of course).

Solod tenzen last night, barrage then shatterer then double pummel. He didn't even get the chance to 2hour. What a joke

I've been using SS regularly in Dynamis and Abyssea in the past couple weeks, and I'm pretty happy with the below:

Turbo Charger
Barrage Turbine
Scope
Flame Holder
Tension Spring II
Tension Spring I
Coiler
Dynamo
Stabilizer (arguably not helping me if automaton acc is capped, but I'm being conservative here)
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Stealth Screen
Auto-Repair Kit II
Auto-Repair Kit I or Flashbulb or Steam Jacket
(Below the line don't affect offense and are really up to you as general utility/defensive choices. Really more up to personal preference.)

A couple notes:

- Barrage Turbine is strong, especially if you're able to get multiple Wind maneuvers up before deploy when it's ready. But the one downside is that if the puppet consumes wind maneuvers to Barrage mid-fight, and then has TP to WS, you may be left with Fire or Thunder dominant and get Arcuballista or Daze. Hard to avoid that happening at least occasionally if you're mixing in Fire/Thunder. Really too bad this wasn't an automaton JA on a timer (a la Flashbulb, Shock Absorber) that required a Wind maneuver up (and strength varied by amount of maneuvers) but didn't consume maneuvers when it was used. Oh well. Still worth using, but not as perfect as it could have been.

- I typically go very heavy on the Wind maneuvers. Haste, R.Acc, trigger for Armor Shatterer, and gives me more chance of having multiple wind up when Barrage triggers mid-fight. If you've been idle for a few minutes you can know to expect Barrage, so load up on Wind before you deploy. I try to mix in a Fire maneuver before pettp=100 for Flame Holder, and occasional Thunder.