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#1 Mar 10 2011 at 4:41 PM Rating: Good
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I'm still using Howling Fist. And, it's just not that great anymore. I'm debating doing one of these three:

1) Get Revenant Fists
2) Climb and get Stringing Pummel
3) Wait an see if better ws's (comparable to Victory Smite or Stringing Pummel) emerge



Thoughts? I'm only on floor 11 right now, but then, I'm also only on Helldiver.

Also, has anyone done the math of Revanant Fists +2 vs. Burattinaios with stringing pummel?

Edited, Mar 10th 2011 4:42pm by Thydonon
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#2 Mar 10 2011 at 4:49 PM Rating: Good
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Do the nyzul climb, its worth it.

I made a static and we did 20 floors every sunday till we got to 60. Then we did 10 on wed, and 20 on sundays. Took maybe 4-5 weeks total to get to 100.

I personally prefer SP + burts for outside of abyssea, and VS for in abyssea since i prefer to use a mage automaton just to make sure i dont coincidently ruby a mob and have to listen to bitching for 30 minutes.



Consider using backhand blow instead of howling fists in abyssea. With rr/gh/vv it will outperform howling.
#3 Mar 10 2011 at 5:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Burts vs RF+2 is basically the same thing when it comes to Stringing Pummel but the difference being the regain for your automaton.

As it is currently, Burts outside of Abyssea are ridiculous because nothing survives Armorer Piercer spam long enough to be much of a threat to your automaton. So Stringing Pummel is your best choice. In Abyssea, Victory Smite has a lot of room to do a damage because it's 4 hits vs Pummel's 6 so you're making more of DA/TA.

I'd say go for both when you have time and use them depending on the situation. Victory Smite is a better instant burst WS though because it self-chains making Light. put a SAM sub on and you can do 2 full light chains then Vent to your auto and switch to Burts to finish the job if need be, heh.
#4 Mar 11 2011 at 6:36 AM Rating: Decent
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Hmm, would it be realistic for a level 90 to solo the non-boss floors? Or would they likely be too slow to make it 5 floors in a single go?
#5 Mar 11 2011 at 6:38 AM Rating: Good
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You would still need two other people in order to actually enter the zone, but it can be done with as little as 3 (even boss floors)
#6 Mar 11 2011 at 7:52 AM Rating: Decent
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You cannot solo, and even with 3 it might be dificult with lamp floors.

No matter what you have 3-5 lamps.
You may need just 1 specific one (soloable),
All at the same time (possible with 3 people and 3 lamps, hard with 3 people and 5 lamps but doable i believe since you have like 20 sec to activate them all?)
Specific order (again possible with 3 people and 3 lamps, hard for all other combinations and potentially not doable in a lot of circumstances.
#7 Mar 11 2011 at 9:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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Picked up GH last night, finally. Now I can do VV/RR/GH. Thought about it some more, and for right now I think I'm going to work on Rev Fists because they will upgrade two more times.

I was on Orctrap, thankfully. 2/3 on it now.
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#8 Mar 11 2011 at 11:24 AM Rating: Good
Thydonon wrote:
Picked up GH last night, finally. Now I can do VV/RR/GH. Thought about it some more, and for right now I think I'm going to work on Rev Fists because they will upgrade two more times.

I was on Orctrap, thankfully. 2/3 on it now.


Commendable goal, just want to add a suggestion. Why not just work on both?

Now hear me out, keep chipping away at the ToM by all means(i plan to begin that line in earnest myself once i get my coins squared away), but that wont preclude you from chipping away at the required WSs need for Stringing Pummel when you are not camping ToM NMs. Call me a completion-ist or w/e but it couldn't hurt to have SP and VS as tools in the master's DD arsenal. Getting a group that actually stays together for Nyzul climbs is a pain, but the ws is just too good to just forget about.

Now take that suggestion with a grain of salt of course. I started working on SP access at floor 16 and unlocked it at 32, so my view is colored by the whole 'I did it so you can too' thing. And SP was the best that PUP could get at the time.

All that said, good luck on your choice and thanks in any event for actually giving a damn about the job and putting in the effort to improve your character.
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#9 Mar 12 2011 at 6:32 AM Rating: Decent
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Until you get SP, Backhandblow + Razed Ruins puts out some really solid numbers, and it's a str/dex mod, instead of str/vit like most h2h ws, so you can actually put together a decent build for it. I've gotten over 1500 with it
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Am I the only one who clicked on this thread expecting actual baby photos [of Jinte]? o.O

Except if it were baby photos, it would be like looking at before and afters of Michael Jackson. Only instead of turning into a white guy, he changes into a chick!
#10 Mar 12 2011 at 7:51 AM Rating: Decent
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In abyssea i avg 2k bhb, and have caped at 3.6k on a pup fighting IT buggards in grauberg

#11 Mar 12 2011 at 8:08 AM Rating: Decent
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dustinfoley wrote:
In abyssea i avg 2k bhb, and have caped at 3.6k on a pup fighting IT buggards in grauberg

...you have verethragna, you don't count.
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Reiterpallasch wrote:
Glitterhands wrote:
Am I the only one who clicked on this thread expecting actual baby photos [of Jinte]? o.O

Except if it were baby photos, it would be like looking at before and afters of Michael Jackson. Only instead of turning into a white guy, he changes into a chick!
#12 Mar 12 2011 at 9:19 AM Rating: Good
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That was while using burts ;-p

I still have like 90 points to skill up the ranged frame :-(

#13 Mar 16 2011 at 6:51 AM Rating: Decent
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Lady Jinte wrote:
Until you get SP, Backhandblow + Razed Ruins puts out some really solid numbers, and it's a str/dex mod, instead of str/vit like most h2h ws, so you can actually put together a decent build for it. I've gotten over 1500 with it

Try working on a nice pair of Savate Fists for this. You might get a sweet combination of crit hit rate + BHB dmg.

dustinfoley wrote:
I still have like 90 points to skill up the ranged frame :-(

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By now, you should be working on the bonus skill ranges...

Actually, I love using my ranged pet in Abyssea. I say who cares about ruby lights, just kill as fast as you can and the TE's will start to flow. Between spammage of AP's and frequent SP's you can take down any mob pretty quickly. I keep on Mounted Champion so I don't have to worry about cures and just go to town, murdering everything (who can count on healers anyway?). Skill rises quickly.

Another fun thing to do with your ranged puppet (+burts of course) is to use AP on NM's. I always used to nuke them but I'm starting to have a good time using AP. I toss on Stout Arm + Drifter + VV and go pew pew! Run into range, hit NM with 2k AP, run out for 20s, wait for tp, repeat...
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#14 Mar 16 2011 at 9:51 AM Rating: Decent
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Its not for lack of trying or use. Ranged attack just skills up rediculously slow.

Melee and magic are both in the bonus range now, its just ranged attack takes forever. Im almost at 400 for magic and melee. I was hoping when i got it to 270/360 it would pickup but it never has, even tried going back to original abyssea areas and manticore in cape terri (since you can get up to 290 skill on them) and no where seems any faster then the rest.
#15 Mar 16 2011 at 2:15 PM Rating: Good
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SelkaSeraph wrote:

By now, you should be working on the bonus skill ranges...


I seem to have missed something, there is a bonus skill range? /unenlightened
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#16 Mar 16 2011 at 2:30 PM Rating: Default
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With merits or af3 legs, you basically raise your current skill and skill cap to where the system glitches and always thinks you are uncapped.

As a result even after reaching 381 or w/e the cap is it will show 381/381 but you will continue getting skill ups. I want to say the cap was 361 (point at which the screen shows 381/381) for magic and you can continue to get skill ups after that.

I want to say I am at 379 magic, so i have 18 "bonus" points, meaning i will be capped for the next 3 levels of the level cap raise.
#17 Mar 16 2011 at 5:47 PM Rating: Decent
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SelkaSeraph wrote:
Lady Jinte wrote:
Until you get SP, Backhandblow + Razed Ruins puts out some really solid numbers, and it's a str/dex mod, instead of str/vit like most h2h ws, so you can actually put together a decent build for it. I've gotten over 1500 with it

Try working on a nice pair of Savate Fists for this. You might get a sweet combination of crit hit rate + BHB dmg.

I have been, but I haven't been able to get enough +dmg on a +BHB dmg weapon that can compete with Stringing Pummel and Taipan +2s

dustinfoley wrote:
Its not for lack of trying or use. Ranged attack just skills up rediculously slow.

Melee and magic are both in the bonus range now, its just ranged attack takes forever. Im almost at 400 for magic and melee. I was hoping when i got it to 270/360 it would pickup but it never has, even tried going back to original abyssea areas and manticore in cape terri (since you can get up to 290 skill on them) and no where seems any faster then the rest.

I know that feeling. I had a bit of a scary realization on the night before the servers went down when I started getting melee skill ups on Spiritreaver...

In my defense, I basically only ever use Spiritreaver or Soulsoother any more, since if I'm DDing, I usually get better results with my war or my monk (mostly because mnk can tank and trigger blue !!s and war can trigger red !!s)

Edited, Mar 16th 2011 6:51pm by Jinte
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Reiterpallasch wrote:
Glitterhands wrote:
Am I the only one who clicked on this thread expecting actual baby photos [of Jinte]? o.O

Except if it were baby photos, it would be like looking at before and afters of Michael Jackson. Only instead of turning into a white guy, he changes into a chick!
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