Analyzer - Testing ResultsFollow

Analyzer Attachment - "Increases chance of mitigating the effects of special attacks previously used by the enemy."




Now, I don't know how to precisely translate this description for you, but I have found evidence that it alters the damage taken from at least one TP move. I tested this on DC, EM, and T crabs by observing the weaponskill "bubble shower". Bubble shower is an AoE attack that does a fixed damage to the entire party if unresisted. It can be altered by a magical resistance check as well as magical reduction. Magic defense bonus seems to have no effect.

Apparently bubble shower is HP based, like a breath attack. The crabs in the "without analyzer" testing all thought it would be really funny to wait until they had 1% health to use it. -.- I think breath attacks ignore magic defense, which bubble shower agrees with, since mana jammers and fine tuning merits had no effect. (They did, however, lower the damage appropriately when tested on cursed sphere.)

Another note: I have a magic damage taken -2% earring that I swap for weaponskills. There's a chance that numbers for the master could have been thrown off by 2% because of this. No more than 1-2 numbers should be off, since it doesn't happen that frequently.




The data below is a listing of how much damage the puppet and master take per bubble shower, listed as puppet/master.

For example: 38/43 means that the puppet took 38 damage and the master took 43.






Without Analyzer Bubble Showers
(Results are consistent. The puppet takes the same damage as the master in all cases. The cases where damage wasn't identical were obvious 50% fractional resists.)

0 Earth: 117/117
1 Earth: 2/2
0 Earth: 1/1
1 Earth: 176/176
0 Earth: 1/1
0 Earth: 167/167
0 Earth: 178/178
0 Earth: 55/55
1 Earth: 29/29
0 Earth: 74/149 (Puppet 50% resist?)
0 Earth: 23/23
1 Earth: 34/34
1 Earth: 18/18
2 Earth: 130/130

The following were done on firesday:
0 Earth: 191/191
0 Earth: 72/36 (Master 50% resist?)




Analyzer Equipped Bubble Showers - With Earth Maneuvers
(Almost all cases showed the amount of damage to the puppet has been reduced comparatively to the master. There seems to be a chance, however, that the attachment had no effect. I know that the alteration is due to the analyzer, because no other attachments were changed; the analyzer was simply removed for the previous test.)

0 Earth: 38/43
? Earth: 46/52
? Earth: 59/66
2 Earth: 101/145
1 Earth: 152/191
1 Earth: 25/32
0 Earth: 17/19
0 Earth: 20/23
0 Earth: 55/62
0 Earth: 27/30
Overload 78/87
1 Earth: 95/95 (No effect?)
0 Earth: 151/168
0 Earth: 16/16 (No effect?)
1 Earth: 4/5




Analyzer Equipped Bubble Showers - Without Earth Maneuvers
(Tested without using earth manuevers, even at the start of the fight. The day may have also turned to firesday at some point during this section; I'm not sure what impact that has on the test. This was done as an afterthought, to test the consistency of the attachment. This test proves that an earth maneuver does not have to be used for the attachment to at least have some effect on reducing the automaton's damage taken. The first two results were strange. Perhaps resist rates increased due to firesday.)

0 Earth: 137/68 (Master 50% resist?)
0 Earth: 16/9 (Master 50% resist?)
0 Earth: 19/22
0 Earth: 28/56
0 Earth: 162/181
0 Earth: 162/181
0 Earth: 54/61
0 Earth: 98/98 (No effect?)
0 Earth: 97/108
0 Earth: 60/67
0 Earth: 38/43




Conclusion
The middle section of data shows that without the analyzer, the puppet takes the same amount of damage as the master (not counting fractional resists). There seems to be a connection between the damage taken and equipping the analyzer. I think the earth maneuvers are slightly increasing its effectiveness, although I'm not sure if the effect increases over time (horologocial?) or if the maneuvers simply have to be present when the TP move goes off.

It's also worth noting that this may be the only way to reduce damage from certain TP moves. As I stated before, bubble shower is unaffected by magic defense bonus; mana jammers and merits have no effect. For example, you're probably going to want this equipped if you're fighting against goblins, due to bomb toss, or enemies with breath attacks.

Also, if this attachment alters the damage taken from TP moves, then it's highly unlikely that it also has anything to do with shield bash. I hear a lot of rumors that this somehow increases the activation and success rate of shield bash, with little or no justification. There's no reason to believe this is the case anymore. This attachment has nothing to do with shield bash. Myth busted.

Edited, Jun 22nd 2007 9:05pm by Nateypoo

Edited, Jun 22nd 2007 10:25pm by Nateypoo

i've always been under the impression that the effects are horological. though we still don't know exactly how those work. we don't know if that's over the entire time that the maton is out (doubtful) or if it is per battle (the way i'm leaning). i think that the attachment lowers spammed TP moves... a la Cursed Sphere on flies that tear us to shreds. that's just my thought though. there is also the shieldbash theory, but idk about it.

I wouldn't worry about firesday effecting your results. Since water is strong against fire, the day would have no effect on your tests with bubble shower. Thunder day would effect it (weaker), as well as watersday (stronger)

If this works on Citadel Buster, may need to get a few LSmates to come PUP to proto-ultima instead :o

Analyzer Attachment - "Increases chance of mitigating the effects of special attacks previously used by the enemy."

I did some more testing on this. I guess there's a catch to the attachment, and it's just as it lists. The reason I was getting unusual numbers in my testing was due to the "previously used by the enemy" part. Apparently the analyzer keeps track of the last TP move the puppet was hit by. If the puppet is hit by the same special move multiple times in a row, the damage is reduced. If the puppet is hit by a different special move, it takes full damage. I haven't totally confirmed this, but I think this is the way it works:

100% damage - The puppet is hit by a special move for the first time.
90% damage - The puppet is hit by the same special move 2x in a row.
80% damage - The puppet is hit by the same special move 3x in a row and an earth maneuver is up.
70% damage - The puppet is hit by the same special move 4x in a row and 2x earth maneuvers are up.
60% damage - The puppet is hit by the same special move 5x in a row and 3x earth maneuvers are up.



Observations:
What's unusual about this attachment is it has nothing to do with durations, time, or the mob. The attachment only keeps track of the last special move you were hit with, and how many times you were hit with it previously. If you are hit with a different special move, it completely forgets everything, and only keeps track of the most recently used special move. Reactivation makes the puppet lose all knowledge of previously used special moves. I assume zoning has the same effect.



Example:
Bubble shower, no earth, puppet takes 100% damage. Full damage on first encounter with a special move.
Bubble shower, no earth, puppet takes 90% damage. Second encounter, damage is reduced by 10%, even with no earth maneuvers used.
Bubble shower, no earth, puppet takes 90% damage. Third encounter, but damage taken is still 90% because no earth maneuvers were used.
Bubble shower, 1x earth, puppet takes 80% damage. Earth maneuver lowers the damage by another 10%, but only after 3x special moves in succession.
Fly uses cursed sphere, puppet takes 100% damage. Analyzer count is reset, due to a new special move.
Crab uses bubble shower, 1x earth, puppet takes 100% damage. Full damage, all knowledge of previous bubble showers was erased by cursed sphere.
Crab uses bubble shower, 1x earth, puppet takes 90% damage. Bubble 2x in a row, earth maneuver still has no effect.
Crab uses bubble shower, 1x earth, puppet takes 80% damage. Bubble 3x in a row, earth maneuver finally kicks in.
Crab uses bubble shower, 1x earth, puppet takes 80% damage. Bubble 4x in a row, but remains at 80% for one earth maneuver.
Crab uses bubble shower, no earth, puppet takes 90% damage. Earth maneuver drops, damage taken jumps back to 90%.
Deactivate and activate a new puppet.
Crab uses bubble shower, no earth, puppet takes 100% damage. Reactivation resets the count, full damage is taken.
Crab uses bubble shower, no earth, puppet takes 90% damage.
A fly is killed, but the puppet is not hit with any special moves.
Crab uses bubble shower, no earth, puppet takes 90% damage. The count carries across multiple mobs.
Take a 20 minute break.
Crab uses bubble shower, no earth, puppet takes 90% damage. The count is unaffected by the amount of time in between uses of the special move.



Testing needed:

The 100% and 90% marks I'm pretty certain about.

The 80% mark I'm somewhat sure; the damage taken definitely spikes back to 90% if an earth maneuver drops. I haven't totally confirmed that the puppet has to be hit three times to achieve 80%, but from a very limited amount of data it looks to be the case.

The 70% mark I haven't tested well, but I have seen the damage taken drop to 70% with two earth maneuvers present. I assume the special move needs to be used four times in a row, but that part is completely untested.

The 60% mark I'm totally unsure of, it's just an assumption based on the other numbers.



Further notes:
So far, I know this attachment definitely works on bubble shower, cursed sphere, and venom. It's apparent by a precise drop in percentage of damage taken. The numbers work out to be exactly 90%, 80%, and 70% (60% unconfirmed); there is no estimation on these. Also unconfirmed, but I have a hunch that this works on status effects as well. I was hit with a mandragora's dream flower, which put both myself and the puppet to sleep. The effect wore off my puppet a few seconds before it wore off me. If it had been a partial resist, then the sleep duration would have been cut by half, not just by a few seconds. I believe a 10% reduction was applied to the status effect duration as well.



Conclusions:
This attachment is situational, but the situations in which it's useful come up a lot. I would say it's best used whenever AoEs are present, especially if the puppet is going to be hit by the same AoE move repeatedly. It may still be worth equipping even if there are multiple AoEs in a scenario, on the offchance a move gets used twice in a row. You have to know your enemy to protect yourself against AoEs. If you're in a party, your puppet is not likely to get hit directly by the enemy; defense attachments may not be needed unless physical AoEs are a threat. Likewise, evasion attachments only work on physical attacks that are capable of being dodged, and mana jammers only work on some forms of magic damage. The analyzer appears to protect against all damage types, and may be the only attachment capable of reducing certain types of damage. For example, only the analyzer can reduce the damage taken from bubble shower and breath attacks. Also, if the analyzer is proven to work against status effects, it may be desirable in other situations as well. The same rules apply. If only one or two moves are used repeatedly, the cut duration on a status effect would be worth it. I'll have to test that one again, because it could be quite useful in situations where the eraser is undesirable.








The puppet would have to be hit with it more than once, so probably not. Although, I suppose with mana jammer I and II plus some water maneuvers, you could push the damage down to 70%, or 60% with merits. With auto-repair I and II on, the puppet may actually survive. You could try it with the sharpshot head and valoredge body for more water + light slots. Were you implying to use puppet sacrifices? lol

The analyzer has no knowledge of mobs. It only knows what special moves it was hit with. You can fight all the mobs in the world, and it will still retain the count so long as the puppet is only hit by the same special move. In fact, your puppet does not even have to be engaged to the mob. The analyzer will still take effect if you're just standing there, out of combat, and the puppet gets hit with an AoE or cone attack. It remembers what it was hit by. If you're hit by a different special attack, all analysis is reset, and it begins analyzing the new special move.





I'm already getting exact numbers. The largest damage source was 200, and the percentages from that were precisely 90% (180/200) and 80% (160/200). All other percentages of damage are within the error amount of 90% and 80%. The damage trends are repeatable and predictable. The numbers are clear enough that it's easy to tell the difference between tiers of 10% reductions, unless the damage is exceptionally low (under 30 damage or so).

i wonder if this would work on that one puk move that has the push back on it... that would be really useful as it tends to drain my auto's hp very quickly for some reason. testing time for myself (even if it is only a 10% reduction... that's still a reduction)

Was there any confusion about how this ateachment works before?

My english isn't the best so I won't say that I really understand the english description of the Analyser. But the german translation for the Analyser is pretty clear saying that once enemy used an special attack there is a chance to resist that attack the next time it's used.

Oh and before somene gets offended by this now: It was a simple qeustion, nothing more.

To the two above posters, yes there was a lot of confusion. The "popular theory" was that it increased shield bash rates/trigger.

In fact the wiki page still has that as an unconfirmed explanation.

I think Natey has given us some "Without-a-doubt" type info here that will hopefully quiet the shield bash rumors.

Lotan

Nice work! AOE damage has always been the bane of Pet Jobs in a party environment. Sounds like a good attachment to have on when fighting Goblins since the memory carries over from one mob in the chain to the next. Same for Cursed Sphere, if you keep your Auto out of the path of Venom.

Tactical Processer: "Verkürzt Entscheidungszeit, begünstigt Überladung" That's not different from the english description and I also don't really understand what it is used for.


Turbo Animater: "Die verbesserte version des herkömlichen Animators. Dank der höheren Übertragungsrate werden Befehle schneller übermittelt." That only describes the 2 second faster maneuver casting.

There's no known difference other than the +2 DEX on the turbo animator. Maneuver recast time is still 10 seconds, regardless of the animator used.

Never mind, my mistake. I apologize.

Edited, Aug 4th 2007 10:52am by Janacy