Fire Staff v R.Acc knives?Follow

It depends on your other gear and what your playstyle is like. If you don't have much r.acc in other spots or find yourself missing shots/ss then you could go with the dagger. If your other gear has enough r.acc and your shots/ss are landing then go with the staff. With the staff you'll be shooting full time, with a dagger you will be able to melee for tp, but if you are going /RNG I'm not sure why you would want to do that in the first place unless you pull hate and the mob comes to you and you happen to get a hit or two in.

Also, meleeing will not get you quicker tp than shooting until you get a multi hit weapon like joy toy or m.kris. It's just cheaper.

The only time a COR should be wielding Fire/Vulcan's Staff is for Quick Draw.

Even with sushi and /RNG, your ranged accuracy will not be high enough to justify wielding a staff.

I used Fire staff a ton from 60-70. With Sushi and Hunter's roll and /RNG my Racc wasn't terrible at all.

never ever ever melee w/ RACC daggers >.>. You should only really be meleeing anyway if you have a multi hit weapon like Joy or M.kris. As for Fire staff/Vulcans in the mid 60's if your eating sushi and using Hunters roll it's not that bad really.

Pot-Au-Fue + hunters I fulltime my vulcans, and it works just fine. I also have 8/8 Marks, but thats just me

How much accy do we need to cap on the lvl 70-73 Colibri anyways? I know how much we need for Lesser and Greater Colibri.

I use Fire staff for every zerg i goto on COR. If feint is involved and shooting is the game, fire staff wins. You should be able to unload slugs, barrages, fire shots, i wing and 2hrs and RDs all during hte duration of feint and SS making racc a non issue (good time for a killer att food, or at least a sub).

Lv60 vs. Colibri = massive overcamping. You'd need 346 accuracy at that point to cap (316 for 80%).

At lv60, you probably have (and considering the huge amount of accuracy in question, I'm assuming RAcc rather than melee acc) 190 from skill + ~30 from AGI = 220 base. 84 more puts you at 304, which should give you a ~74% hit rate.

RAcc food might be worth looking into (probably Squid or Sole Sushi are your best bets, depending on just how much money you want to potentially throw at it and whether or not you want to increase your damage at the same time).

For what it's worth, Squid Sushi should give you an extra ~48 RAcc, letting you drop (at least) 6 RAcc in gear.

EDIT: Minor note that you could, in fact, get away with dropping more RAcc if you're not planning on going for capped hit rate.

Edited, Jul 31st 2009 12:29pm by MDenham

Very much false. First, meripo/exp isn't everything.

At endgame, there are plenty of times where mobs are low level and have very low evasion, but they have nasty AoE attacks, potentially making it more useful to stand at a distance and shoot for tp. Einherjar, certain Limbus zones, etc. In that case, Fire/Vulcan's (with something like a Coffinmaker or Martial) is a great choice.

Quite a few mission fights are the same thing. ACP final fights is a great example, as is the CoP 6-4 Airship fight (Ultima and Omega have both very low evasion and very nasty AoE).

Even in exp/merit parties, sometimes you'll find that you're very much able to trade R.Acc for R.Atk. Good example is any pre-merit party level 54+ with a RNG where you use Hunter's Roll. It's a good roll anyway in that situation, as Chaos/Hunter's are clearly the most beneficial rolls to the RNG, whereas the RNG wouldn't get anything out of something like Fighter's. The R.Acc bonus will be huge from the roll, allowing you to give up some R.Acc (possibly from food, but from the weapon slot is certainly a reasonable choice).

And sometimes you'll be fighting something like Imps, with their annoying Amnesia. I find it easier to stand at range and shoot them, only running in to buff the melees. If you're not overcamping, you may indeed find your R.Acc good enough to warrant switching your weapon for more R.Atk.

Remember Axe Grip too. That's an additional STR+3 when you're using a staff, and a really nice benefit is that it even retains the STR bonus when you sync down (from the lv65 grip). In the 50s, it still has the full +3 to STR.



What about running in to buff the melees when you've been shooting for tp with your weapon out (for WS), and you hit the mob once or twice with your dagger and get some tp while you're rolling ;)

Seriously, I agree with the general principle. You shouldn't be standing next to the mob full time and hacking away with your Archer's/Trailer's. I'm just being difficult though - never say NEVER.

Edited, Jul 31st 2009 3:34pm by Anza

No. Meleeing with r.acc daggers is so disgustingly offensive that you should disengage the mob before running in to buff the melees, for the sole purpose of avoiding being labeled gimp by me if I happen to run by on a chocobo at the time you are buffing the melees.

I'm not touching whether that's really capping R.Acc, but I will note that he's using Pallas Bracelets (actually hurting R.Acc) and a Rajas Ring, so you could get even more R.Acc out of those slots. Say, another R.Acc ring and Deadeye gloves.

I agree with RVW and Anza at the same time. I think RVW is right in that fire/vulcan staff should find very little use with a COR who is aware of where his racc actually stands. I agree with Anza though that there are a lot of situations where it's better to stand back and DD. I've really come to appreciate what a massive advantage it is to be able to DD respectably from outside the range of bad AOEs. That's also why my Coffinmaker has been seeing a lot of action lately. It may not top joyeuse/mkris meleeing w/ ranged WS for damage, but it's pretty darn close and a small price to pay for not being a liability. A dead DDs damage is pretty bad after all.

PS. I'm not talking about merit parties, because seriously...who cares about merit parties.

Capping merits takes more time than pretty much any other activity in this game, so I care about merit parties a great deal.

Well I mistakenly got into a level sync party at 65 tonite (Damn me for forgetting to put Level Sync No Thanks in my Seacom). Decided to go ahead as I had some old iron bullets to use up.

So my gear sucked. Basically AF with a marksman ring and woodsman ring as well as specs and a gun belt. Subbing RNG. Target was Colibri at 65. FIre staff with Axe grip. 4 roll rotation: Hunters, Chaos, Evokers, Healers. No RNG in party. Squid Sushi for food. Full marksmanship merits.

For 2 stacks of Iron bullets: 9 misses on reg shots. 2 missed slugs (no sharpshot or Hunters up at the time and fired at ~110 tp).

So while I had the advantage of gun merits, I had the disadvantage of crap gear and no TP bonus on the gun.

So fire staff is perfectly reasonable for COR in xp at certain levels. just need sushi and /RNG really.

Here's a simple question: Why do you merit?

Do you merit to spend points on your character to improve it so it's better at meritting? Then you can merit faster and get more merits to spend to make you even better at meritting? Meritting can be the biggest timesink if you let it, but what's the point if you're not actually enjoying the game?

I disagree that meritting and improving yourself has less of an impact on situations outside of merit parties, particularly alliance-based ones. First of all, you look at it through the scope of one well-meritted person instead of everyone being meritted. There is more at stake when you're burning a rare pop item or claiming a difficult NM or doing a timed event. Nobody wipes on Colibri and if they did, nobody would care.

You want to profile me, so I'll tell you what I know about "people like you" too: You get uppity when someone says they don't care about meritting because you care just a little too much and it's one of your main sources of pride to be able to merit well and share your knowledge. You're so eager to share your knowledge that you just ripped out a rant about the finer points of meritting and common misconceptions when I didn't even ask for it. You even insult such people by implying they're ignorant when you don't know them at all because it's human nature to attempt to discredit anyone who disagrees with you. It's also really lame. You love to go around dispelling myths about meritting and how awesome you can be at meritting, but I repeat: Who cares?

I can get 20-30k/hour largely depending on who I merit with and I'm happy with that. I don't care if you can get 40k/hour. If exp/hour was the only thing that fueled my existence, I would level SMN and do SMN burns in Korroloka and blow all your numbers out of the water. If I wanted to be anal about meritting and eking out every last micron of performance, I could. I'm happy with being in the top 10 or 20% and it's not really hard to get there. I only merit when I feel like it or when I have friends to do it with or when I know I can do it without my brain melting from repetition and boredom. Being good at merits does not make you a good player.

Of course, if you actually enjoy meritting more than any other activity in the game, that's another case entirely.

So in summary: Who cares about meritting?

Edited, Aug 5th 2009 8:08am by Filian

So you enjoy merits and I don't, that's what it comes down to and nobody can argue preference. To me, this game is about enjoying the broad variety of activities and being able to do it with people whose company you enjoy. To me, being good at this game means being adaptable and useful in virtually any situation and that's what I strive to improve at. In other words, I want to be good at everything, not just a one-trick pony. In my opinion, striving to be uber at merits is like doing drills all day or bouncing a ball on your head 100 times, but then when an actual soccer game breaks out you're completely lost. I'll do the drills and practice, but I mostly just want to be good at soccer.

By the way, the main things that prevent me from being any better at merits at this point are things that are largely out of my control. I'm sure if I invited all my relic friends and the best mage, bard and corsair I knew, and the bird camp was completely empty on both levels I could put up yourlegendary exp/hour rates, but there's a point where the effort invested doesn't make up for the potential return, and that's where I stop caring.

Edited, Aug 5th 2009 10:13am by Filian

you don't have to be 60 to go /RNG. /NIN is a pulling things faster than you type sub only. And there are many better pullers pre meripo than COR.

I leveled my Corsair with /nin using dual archer's knives using squid sushi and hunter's roll. I was able to maintain well over 85 percent ranged accuracy from level 60 through to 75. This leads me to believe that with Accuracy bonus traits and the extra accuracy gained from gun belt, a corsair could easily use a fire staff and maintain the same level of accuracy.

Now, during merits or events I usually sub warrior or ninja and eat pot-au-feu. With hunter's roll I am still able to maintain a high ranged accuracy percentage.
It could be better, but I have not yet merited my marksmanship.