COR AF+1 vs Skadi gearFollow

The reason that validates the gil spent on Skadi's Cuirie is that it's one of the premier pieces for all of melee TP, ranged TP, and weaponskill (not to mention QD if you don't have a QD Mirke or Denali). Those diminuative gains make for something pretty legitimate when the cumulative effect is shown. That said, it is definitely a luxury piece, as it won't provide anything significantly different from things far easier to obtain.

I think Skadi's Cuirie is more PCC than Ancient Torque, if that kind of analogy helps. A few points there, a few points here, helping in more than one way.

It's not a waste of gil when the only other ways to improve are the Dusk +1 / 6% belt / Ancient Torque / -1 abjuration stuff. It's certainly a poor gil/performance gained ratio (which is why it's considered a luxury item), but do you really feel it's a bad decision in comparison to 18m for 1% Haste, or 9m for 1 Acc?

I'm about as far from lazy as you can get with macro swaps, and I certainly don't have a white-box syndrome just for the sake of HQ.

Do you enjoy arguing? Because posting a 'guide' comparing two sets that everyone knows about already and then writing a book to respond to someone who has a different opinion on what constitutes a reasonable upgrade kinda seems like a waste of energy.


Skadi body is 14 acc/5 attack. That's better for TP than the 10 acc of SH or the 12 acc of antares harness (the two that you mentioned). An extra 4 accuracy and 5 attack is an upgrade whether you want to admit it or not. Synth up a ring that gives 4 acc and 5 attack more than toredor's and see what it sells for.


Skadi hands are the most powerful WS hands a COR has. Very nice in nyzul or feint situations. They are also the highest AGI hands a COR has for QD iirc.


Skadi feet keep a COR from shelling out 1.5M for hermes if they want to solo znm/fortitude/gration/etc.


Legs are hands down the best TP piece and situationally the best ws piece.



The only trash is the head. It really just sounds like you are trying to justify not doing salvage because 4/5 pieces are upgrades in at least one of a Cor's gearsets.

1. Skadi is for 4 jobs.
2. Hands are in every way on any mob you can ws the best hands for detonator, and great in all but the worst acc situations on Slugs.
3.Yeah skadi hat is worthless on COR, but its the best solo TA or SA thf armor for the head in the game.
4.Body is awesome. TP gain can be more important than anything else (see COR/DNC) and its sexy.
5.1% haste > 3 att imo. I hate denali turban when used for TP gain.
6.Hauby style ACP rewards where not chosen by many people for many reasons.

Who cares if things are expensive, situational upgrades > not having it in my book. (plus its something to do.

Seems like this is a waste of a thread. Just a I hate skadi bitch and moan session.

No it's not by a long shot. Mirke Hauby trumps every body including Skadi body. The reason I got Mirke is because it's for my other jobs, not COR. So no, it's not fail, but epic win. As for Salvage, I'm looking at which gear I want for functional uses, not town gear. I have gear picked out that is worth upgrading, only 2 of them happen to have a Skadi tag on it.

I understand your point. I was just disappointed is all. SE pisses me off sometimes sorry.

Mirke Hauby doesn't even trump DW Mirke, so I'm not sure where you're going.


If using gear on other jobs counts, then you just completely obliterated your entire argument. Skadi body is peerless for THF, Skadi legs are the best leg piece in the game for THF and RNG, Skadi head is great for THF, Skadi hands are the most damaging hand armor in the game for RNG, and Skadi feet are the only +movement item in the game for BST.

Wut... That doesn't make any sense. Because if we're talking about COR like I think we are, /war and /rng are the best subs, not /nin. DW Mirke is dedicated only for NIN and /nin setups. In other words, very situational. But that doesn't even matter to me. A Mirke Hauby regardless of other options still beats out Skadi body by the numbers. The refusal of those who can't seem to accept this fact only proves some people are noobs. Skadi body has +3 more dex, but -5 ATK and -5str. In a TP situation, +5 ATK and +5 STR helps more than 1.5% ACC.



I'm not using other gear to win an argument. I was only explaining to Kerb why I don't have a QD Mirke. Stop reading into stuff. My explanation in regard to the Mirke Hauby proves that the Skadi body can be beaten and is not the ultimate TP piece. It's the ultimate hybrid piece, that's true at least. Basically I'm looking for some non biased comments here. I'm disappointed in a armor set and you guys are yelling at me because I can prove it to be inferior for 'most' slots. Don't argue with the numbers, that's all I ask. It doesn't make a difference is someone picked a different ACP body than you, the numbers are still there.

Exactly, which is why I'm not doing that. I only used the Mirke body to prove that the Skadi wasn't the best TP body out there. Nothing more, nothing less.


If you have other jobs that can use it, that's a pro. I chose my Mirke because it works for almost all of my jobs and it's the best WS gear in the game for BLU. So no, I'm not arguing this point at all. The only thing I continue to say is that the Skadi gear in general sucks for COR. Especially a seasoned endgame player that has access to other gear. The time, effort, and skill needed to pull it off isn't worth it. That's my problem. In actuality, I agree with you 100% on the lolmarduk for SMN. That's exactly the same way I feel about Skadi. However, a BRD might disagree with me for slandering the gear. That's exactly how I feel right now. People want to make up any excuse to justify the purchase and failing to address how ho-hum the gear really is in reality.

Basically my gripes are just rants. That doesn't mean people are free to skew facts trying to discredit me. I'm just disappointed in how the gear stats don't help my BST and COR that much. The body is totally useless for my BST because Osode has MP and more CHR. And we all know kitty pants >> Skadi legs. For a THF or RNG, I see some potential.


Edited, Jun 15th 2009 6:48am by ShadowedgeFFXI

i just don't see the point of why some people bash on skadi body saying its not worth investment and all. personally i have the full skadi set myself and its awesome for TP having the body more accuracy and all, and just because people get the body piece does not mean they don't use macro and all... though as someone mentioned up there that its a small gain/upgrade from what you may already have but still it is a upgrade.

if you ask me did i regret spending 12mil on that body piece?? hell no never will look back at it cause i know its good

You are forgetting Haste. heca hat/+1's slow takes it out quickly for solo SAs for sure, there is no better agl/att option on TA(sept maats). Relic hat will do what 4-6 more damage at the loss of haste. Maats might be enought str+dex combo to overcome the difference in haste but it would be damn close over time. The partial loss of an attack round easily costs more DOT than the minimal increases in dex for SAs can provide. Only HQ Dragon hat has more agl (i think besides maats which might would win just the same as with sa) but its less attack and of course less haste. Denali hat vs skadi hat for solo TAs is also really close. 3 attack vs 1 haste on a super crit... for dot idk.

Haste still matters on solo JAs for thf. Losing attack rounds after the JA loses damage and TP. If you lose more damage from slow (or removing haste) than you gain from the dex/agl/str/att you are HARMING your DOT.


Sorry for this much THF discuss in the COR forum, but I hate being incorrected.



Edited, Jun 15th 2009 10:56am by LordTrey

This, this, this.

Remember this is the same guy who almost canceled his account because Composure was speculated to suck before it was released. If you don't want to get it, then don't. Nobody's forcing you to do salvage and spend million of gils. Just take the game as is, if you don't like it, cancel your account.

I'm not suggesting that the QD Mirke is bad. All I've stated time and time again Mirke Hauby is better for our TP build, that's it. So let's look at the facts for a moment shall we. Those that have a QD Mirke have the best QD body in the game. Those that have the Skadi body have the best WS piece. And those that have the Mirke Hauby have the best TP piece for COR. All those statements are facts, can we please move beyond this.

The only good piece for a BST is the Skadi feet. The rest is crap. I see more uses for THF and RNG though than COR.

removed double post.

Edited, Jun 15th 2009 3:24pm by redvenomweb

Sorry, forgot about BLU actually using sword WS. In that case, is it really worth setting Mirke to ACC/ATK when you could get, say, Enkidu's Harness instead?


Again, once the question of "What does this gear do for other jobs?" is on the table, your entire line of argument is annihilated.

So if you're trying to prove a point, you probably shouldn't be touting Hauby Mirke for COR. The only job for which Hauby Mirke is a legitimately unique and significant upgrade is DRG; every other job either:

a) can wear a real Hauby+1
b) can wear Enkidu's Harness
c) uses DW prominently
d) more than one of the above

Edited, Jun 15th 2009 4:51pm by redvenomweb

If hauby mirke is the "best" tp body (which i debate, as sometimes[often] tp > damage) then wouldn't mirke RACC/RATT be the best WS piece? And mirke MAB/QD-5 is the best QD (damage) piece, as well as MACC/QD is the best light/dark shot piece. ACC/DW best COR/NIN that needs to melee TP piece.

Using it as a reason something else is "useless" is inane. Its a million things, its for every job, hell its 3 different bodies.




Depending on what your soloing, Mirke Hauby is worthless. Unless you are fighting T= mobs, hauby is unlikely to actually cost you any evasion at all, your acc/att are already capped, as well as crit rate and fstr. Your AF body would be a better DD body for nin solo for everything except T+ mobs and a slim few nms (or no nms... I am unsure of what nms nin solos, I assume it to be similar to what i solo on thf, and few of those require evasion to be at cap (tho for nin a guess more my than THF))

For solo, attacking faster generally results in the best outcomes in my experience.

Edited, Jun 15th 2009 8:55pm by LordTrey

NVM, not worth it.

Edited, Jun 16th 2009 9:28pm by ShadowedgeFFXI

Well, COR does have the probably easier to acquire option of Hermes' Sandals if speed was your desire...




Yeah, because anyone who posts here should gear themselves for COR only. It's not like people have other jobs or anything... idiot.




Do you really think the difference between these two pieces is great enough such that you should whip out your potty mouth over it? What are you, twelve?

I just wanted to thank everyone who posted in the thread. While there will always be differences of opinion, you never should post when you're in a pissed off mood. That's something I still have to work on. In the meantime, I plan on taking a break from the game. Too much stress lately. Thanks again.

To be fair, using an inferior item by choice is grounds for a critical response. There is no reason to use Denali instead of Walahra on COR.

Since you got ranty, it's open ranty season. Time for my ranty. (Is ranty even a word? I dunno but I'm about to get all ranty up on you.)

The real problem with why people are like this is because of refusal on the part of people to accept truth and fact. Yes, many posters on here do come across as overly-critical. I do sometimes as well. Can't tell you how often I complain about some moron on Ventrilo to my social ls crew. For example the completely idiotic leader who set up an Alexander AU Mission fight with pld nin whm blm smn cor. I'm the cor and left being the only "stunner" with light shot. I managed to be the only person who did not die the entire fight because of merits and movement speed. Generally the nin would re-engage a slept mob immediately upon re-raising. Completely red hp, less than 100 total hp. Oooookay. Then the SMN would send it's pet in to attack slept Raubahn. No doubt the product of one of these pet burns.

The real problem becomes when these people simply will not accept that W. Turban is > the Denali Bonnet (or in the case of this thread that Hauby Mirke was a good choice overall for their "other" jobs but that Skadi is worthless for Corsair. Riiiiggght.)

I hate all of the following things about certain subsets of alla posters more than I do overly critical of gear posters:

-people who talk about "the abuse of /nin" /nin is not, never was and never will be "abused" You can't "abuse" a defensive ability. It's like saying "cure" is being abused. Please just shut up and go back to subbing /pup and tell us how that works out if you really want to be your own little special snowflake. If anything, the widespread use of /nin was better than people who can't stay alive or even reliably contribute damage subbing /sam, or /dnc and not knowing how to use it (or..../thf).

-people who think campaign is harder than endgame activities. seriously, i thought i stepped onto a WoW forum when I read the main board today. There was some quote about how campaign is so equally deserving because it requires you to actually show up, whereas endgame does not. Seriously??? How can people be this completely and utterly blind? Well I guess if all they have ever done is leeched exp through being a gimp in campaign... Let's just give out fully completed relics for campaign. OMG, it's so hard and noteworthy to get allied notes.

-people who ever think CoP needed to be adjusted. Seriously, why do later generations of FFXIers always believe that everything needs to be handed to them on a silver platter. FFS, it's like 1000% easier to do everything in this game than it was when I started and people still complain.

-people who wear rogue's cullotes. get that subligar on you non-contributing pos

Its what some people are really good at.

I will just say, if TP is your only concern when Meleeing, then yes, Skadi Body (or Mirke DW when /nin) is far and away your best choice for this slot.

However, if DoT is also a factor in your decision, Mirke Hauby, Enkidu's, and Mirke DW(Even when not /nin) produce enough extra DoT to negate or even overcome the extra WSs you would get with Skadi.

Edit: added (Mirke DW when /nin) to initial statement.

Edited, Jun 24th 2009 11:10am by Meldi