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Edit: please don't put a party chat line in your macros. If you need to be reminded of the lucky numbers, use /echo, I'm begging you all.

Edited, Sep 19th 2008 1:06pm by Klaire

I agree with the above. A little education never hurts, people don't understand COR very well. A lot of people don't even realize we have lucky numbers. That being said, you don't need this stuff when you're at merit party levels. And keep it simple and informative, no need for two lines of stupid comments. Tell them what the roll is, what it does, lucky number... that's about all you need.

I don't put /p lines in my macros normally, but if the party is acting confused (can't get a BLU who wants Evoker's to stand near the mages, etc.) I put a party line in as a helpful reminder until they catch on.

/p {Evoker's Roll} >>> {Refresh}

OR a pre-emptive warning like:

/p {Evoker's Roll} in 3sec
/wait 3
/ja "Evoker's Roll" <me>



Edited, Sep 19th 2008 1:49pm by Anza

I think you can use them if you want. A single line of text in party chat, only once every minute, is hardly spam.

I know I pay attention to other people's party chat macros the first couple times they use them, then I hardly even notice them anymore. The only times I get annoyed with macros are if they take up multiple lines, are full of a lot of ~~~###***###~~~, are bad puns/pop-culture references, or if they use them every few seconds.

You're not likely to get a bad reputation/kicked out of the party for minimal party chat in your Phantom Roll macros. And if they ask you to stop, just change it to /echo for the rest of the party.

There are some times when people will use the roll a few seconds early, and you may see it multiple times. Also, if people want to know what the rolls do, they'll know beforehand, otherwise they can just ask, and after 1 time they'll know instead of a chat line every minute.

I've levelled RDM, PLD and NIN as well, and sometimes the amount of lines BRDs and CORs can take up(especially CORs because they have to double-up) can make some lines go by too fast that i may want to watch for.

Try {Clear Mind}.


And to steer this a slightly different way, what about Quick Draw macros? I find that people REALLY don't understand that QD has other effects besides damage. I think it's helpful to add a /p line for Dark Shot to let people know I'm dispelling the mob. Just one simple line:

/p {Dark Shot} {Dispel} >>> <t>

I waver on what to do about light shot, as it's truly helpful to alert parties that you've slept a link mob. However, I also use light shot for other things, so sometimes telling them "{Light Shot} {Sleep} >>> <t>" is confusing to others if I'm trying to enhance Dia, or stun a spell.

I normally don't do this, but I've also on occasion used one line with Ice and Earth Shots to encourage the mages to enfeeble. I found that saying "{Earth Shot} *** {Slow}+" makes the point very clearly, and that trying to actually explain the concept of improving enfeebles sometimes doesn't get through to people as easily. This has been particularly effective when playing with other people who speak a different language (yes, even lots of JP tend to not get this concept).

Edited, Sep 19th 2008 5:25pm by Anza

Things my party needs to know that should have macros:

My TP
When I'm using a WS



What else requires a macro? "Educating" people about rolls? If they don't know what the rolls do, let them ask or look it up. Lucky numbers? They don't care and the won't remember. I can ALMOST justify QD effects, but in the end those tend to be superfluous too, unless it's Sleep. No one can overwrite you QD effect and for dispel, either you're the main dispeller or you're not. If you are, then people aren't going to be trying to follow it up and if you aren't then save your damn QD timer.

I have just started corsair and I have all the information about each roll on my macros. I haven't had a party yet. I am soloing to 20.

However, after reading this, it has reminded me of how much I hate useless information when I am tanking on my ninja from other people's macro.

It seriously fills up the screen with useless information that you don't need. Specially during endgame that you need to be paying attention 100% to your shadows, timers and everything and my screen gets filled with stupid lines.

So, I guess I will change all of mine to echo and urge everyone to do as well.

If you don't agree with us just go level ninja and try to count your shadows when someone is spamming the screen with useless information.

I do not need to know you are curing me, refreshing someone, dispelling, singing, calling out your goddess of an avatar, etc.

Most people that invite corsairs already know what they are inviting it for.

^this

When I was COR, probably till around 60, my macros had /p in then too. went a little something like this:

/ja "Chaos Roll" <me>
/p {Chaos Roll} {Attack Bonus} L:4 U:8

I came to realize, a lot people didn't know what L and U were, and when I told them, they didn't know what they did. But generally, most people didn't care. It was just another /p line that they didn't need to know, because they know it's my job to get good results, and they didn't need to worry about it.

And why'd my first post get rated down? It's the only post with a link the OP was asking for.

Incorrect.

I put a /p line so people would stop @#%^ing running off when I buff.

/echo, definately.

Phantom Rolls are already enough spam without putting /party in your macro. Have you ever seen how our rolls flood the chat log on a PS2?! Dear lord. I'm glad I play on the (slightly better) xbox.

I have never used /party in my macros, and no one has ever questioned my rolling. I think most people trust Corsairs to know what they're doing... for better or for worse.

I do agree with the poster above. If someone misses one of my rolls, its either my fault or their fault. If it's my fault, I fix it via double-up. If it's their fault... well, tough cookies. My time is just as valuable as anyone else's.

If they really wanted to know what a roll did couldn't they just read the description from the little icon it gives at the top?

Save a taru, don't spam us with useless lines in a macro.

"Double-up! Come on lucky number!"

Just a bit of nit-picking: There are 14 CORs on my server, with 10 being lvl 75. There are twice as many PUPs on my server than CORs. I would venture to say partying with a COR is rare for most people (I've yet to party with a COR besides myself, even when ToA was new and everyone was lvling COR).

But yes, there are a lot of BRDs that people should know about positioning.



I hate parties that don't say anything, even if someone messes up. The first time I hit an 11 I'll say something like "ooooohh" in party chat, or if I bust I'll express my disappointment, or if something like I get three ones in a row I'll say wtf, to try the party talking, but if no one responds (which hasn't happened yet) I'll stop.

I have party lines in my macros on the off-chance I play with someone fairly new that knows next to nothing about COR (like I did yesterday. Granted by the first few minuets they understood at least the basics of my rolls, but they still showed a lot of interest in COR) and so I don't feel like a robot and get bored 10x as quick. At least I'm trying to say something that way. I'll gladly remove the party line if people want me to, but unless I'm specifically asked to remove them, then I'll keep them (I fail to see how 1 line every minute is spam, but I'm not going to argue with my party members if they feel it's spam/something we could do without. In something like Dynamis or other things that cause a lot of lag and 1 line a minute could actually cause someone to miss something important, then I'll have removed the party lines before the event even began.)





I agree on both parts to a degree. If someone for some reason is out of range when I first hit the roll but get back into range, I'll DA for them even if it was a lucky. The only time I won't do this is if my running tally is fairly high for some reason. I try to hit everyone that needs the roll with it, but if I say {gather together}{buffs} and they don't get in range I'll ask them in /tell. The next step would be to call them out in /party and say "Hey <name>, would you please remember to stay close to the others for the buffs?" If for some reason they don't respond to that then I'll roll without them. If they complain, well I asked them and they didn't respond, at that point it's completely their fault. I'll remind them politely again and be willing to fit them in the roll next time, but if they still don't start standing in range then I'll get angry and leave them out of the roll until they start standing in range.

Repeatedly ignoring me asking them to stand in range is the only time I'll deny someone a buff.

EDIT for spacing my points out.


Edited, Sep 22nd 2008 9:53pm by Xkallybhur

Yeah, I'd say people very often DON'T understand our rolls, and they can't seem to read the description to figure out what they do or why we would do something different from Chaos/Hunter's.

I had a party which included a SAM and DNC the other day that was initially uncomfortable with me giving the melees Samurai Roll, just because it wasn't Chaos/Hunter's. (I used Samurai/Chaos, there was no issue with accuracy as the melees were eating sushi and we had a BRD for quite a while giving Madrigal)

I've also had a party with RDM COR BRD where the RDM was getting mega-refreshed and never sitting down. The RDM was confused when I gave him Evoker's/Warlock's instead of Evoker's/Healer's.

I'm also pretty sure 95%+ of the people I play with have no idea that Quick Draw can enhance enfeebles. I've also had many people tell me "Oh, I didn't know COR could Dispel".