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#1 Jan 10 2013 at 4:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Okay, I know I need the HQ head (its my next big purchase) and the twilight belt (still need that clear as well, egads!)... I am just wondering what else makes a Toci's harness work for TP... I am wondering if it even makes sense to switch out my AF3+2 in TP before I can replace the lost haste. Does the loss of haste on the body destroy me for TPing until I get a few more key pieces?

Currently using

-Ocelmoh head (NQ)
-Toci/AF3 +2 body
-AF3 +2 legs
-Athos boots
-Atheling Mantle
-Epona's Ring
-Tyrants Ring (not sure if this is the best I can do atm either)
- NQ +attack earrings (forget their names)/ X1+ Hecate's earring if I will be using a lot of magic in quick succession
-Pwer belt (I know the meeble belt is better but I'm kind of hoping to actually quest that myself and put the money towards other upgrades or just get twilight)
-Aurora Gloves (going to update this to dusk +1, that makes sense in the short term, right? Since other higher haste gloves are pricey/non-existent)
-Mantis Eye in ammo slot (could this be better? Is hasty pinion at all worth it given my desperate need for haste?) - I also have the throwing weapon dropped by Pil, some satchets and random other ammo items from other jobs, feel free to recommend something different.

I know there is some quested stuff I need, that's on the list for when I finish it (CoP/Zilart)... feel free to recommend for or against those as well though.

I also need to admit this, I am not sure what stats etc. I should be gearing for in TP phase? Like, is attack only for WS? Basic basic advice would be appreciated.

Also keep in mind while it's fine to recommend uber stuff, I'm not in the market for thaumas stuff etc... basically I'd appreciate advice on items that I can get from AH/meeble/Abyssea/Voidwatch over r/ex stuff from legion/neo-nyzul. Looking at neo-salvage it seems at least somewhat feasible that it is something I could get into in the near future (reports have it not being too terribly hard) - so some side recommendations from that would be fine but I'm finding it super hard to even get people on meeble so, more near term solutions would be welcome (along with say... "this is better when you can get it")

Also apart from a magian fire sword (which I should get working on) - what's a few easier to obtain swords that are half decent?

Edited, Jan 10th 2013 2:29pm by Olorinus
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#2 Jan 11 2013 at 5:06 AM Rating: Decent
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two suggestions

NNI legs or arch omega legs give +6 haste. Omega give fast cast as well.
This second one may sound weird but morta VW has a body +5% haste, most haste you can get on a body.
Gloves: old omega, 3% dyna tav diablos 4%

Those two combined would give you +4 haste. HQ head +1 = +5% Add the hands + 8-9%
#3 Jan 11 2013 at 12:07 PM Rating: Decent
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huh those diablos gloves are nice. They aren't something I'll be able to get in the short term though. What I really need is a real endgame shell I think. It's just too hard trying to get decent gear while in casual shells. My one shell is decent but has less than 10 people active at any time, and people go on breaks all the time, leaving me hanging. The other one is way too casual and I don't know anyone well enough to do anything serious. I'd love to make an empy for example, but I just don't have time to shout up people every step of the way.
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#4 Jan 11 2013 at 2:48 PM Rating: Default
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huh those diablos gloves are nice. They aren't something I'll be able to get in the short term though. What I really need is a real endgame shell I think. It's just too hard trying to get decent gear while in casual shells. My one shell is decent but has less than 10 people active at any time, and people go on breaks all the time, leaving me hanging. The other one is way too casual and I don't know anyone well enough to do anything serious. I'd love to make an empy for example, but I just don't have time to shout up people every step of the way.


Seeing as your a blu you could farm most the empy triggers yourself, and make gil in the process.

Go to abby La thiena. and burn the toads for KI's While you do this you can offer afk people a spot for a Bri set. Even if they don't have one, they ca n stay non afk until you get them one. To make it even better you can build lights at worm in a exp party, and then just you and a key man can kill the toads. You will still get all their lights and Te's. Same for them. And you will be killing the same amount of mobs. That's what I did for bri. AoE toads with Charged whisker. To kill bri, get a friend or atma zombie it. Even while weakened blu spells do insane dmg and he will fall.

You can do the same thing for sobek. Or if you have a ch friend, they can kaustra one shot him. Then empy will be yours. And you may have made gil along the way.
#5 Jan 12 2013 at 6:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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Don't use the hastely pin its worthless, the extra 1% haste isn't worth the -stp. Really the only easy things in the short term are the Dusk +1 and maybe go after the haste sword from Aello either the HQ would replace the lost haste on it's own or the NQ will make up the lost haste with the dusk + gloves. Only other options you already know about is arch omega. Arch omega is of the easiest of the V2 mobs and any decent limbus shell can clear him with out to much trouble.

IIRC you have bst, could solo the emp mobs on bst. Procs would suck but if you got time and lights in a worm party you could kill till you get the KIs. I did that on blu soloing the KIs proc when I could and if I didn't have the proc just killed and hoped that was at 95. It would be slow no doubt about it but it's better then no progress at all.
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I have considered it but I am pretty sure doing that would burn me out on the game almost immediately. If I could convince myself to be ok with only getting a handful of items each month and having it take 2 years I could do it... lol, but if I could manage that I probably would be working on a relic already since they are way more soloable most of the way.
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#7 Jan 17 2013 at 1:23 PM Rating: Good
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Personally, I really recommend putting a high priority to complete your missions for Suppanomimi, Rajas and Brutal for TPing. (Actually most of them can also be kept in slot for WSing)

I'd think those are some of the easier options for you to pursue solo/low-man, and should be pretty significant upgrades compared to what you wear in those slots.

For the sword question, you could work on AGI+Evasion or Vit+PDT swords that you could off-hand until you get better. Agi's one looks ridiculously easy to make during the summer months thanks to near constant wind in the Thickets.

Also could look for the INT+MAB ones if you really want an easy one to make. Constant ice weather makes it a breeze, and gives a nice boost to Sanguine Blade.

Edited, Jan 17th 2013 2:30pm by Docent42
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#8 Jan 19 2013 at 8:22 AM Rating: Decent
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With how easy NNI floor 80 farming is I'd highly recommend getting Thaumas sets. I use

Ocy Head (HQ)
Thaumas Body
Thaumas Hands
Thaumas Legs
Thaumas Feet
Twilight Belt

And that caps me on Haste and gives me a ton of +TA/DA.

If you can't get Thaumas then you can use Ocy + Toci with Athos Legs / Feet and Twilight. Get some form of Haste +4% hands and your set.

As your already working on a magian fire sword you might want to look into getting into a Prov Watcher run and nab the Crystal Sword. They drop like candy and are always going FL so shouldn't be hard to get one. It's got decent stats and STR+13 MND+13 which works well until you finish your Almace (assuming your still working on this). Almace + Fire is your best setup, Fire + Sanus (precluding double fire swords) is a solid place holder and makes Req a pretty good WS.
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#9 Jan 21 2013 at 1:06 PM Rating: Decent
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saevellakshmi wrote:
With how easy NNI floor 80 farming is I'd highly recommend getting Thaumas sets.


Easy... yeah not really easy for a non R/M/E player... I specifically noted I wasn't going for NNI sets. Until that event doesn't practically require cheating, I won't be doing it. I'm well aware that thaujamas are considered the best of the best. I can read everyone drooling all over them. I was asking for suggested gear from lower tier events (WoE, Abyssea, Trial of the Magians, meeble, middle tier voidwatch etc) I actually specifically noted that I am not in the market for Thaumas stuff.

I'd like the pretty blue sword but I haven't unlocked providence watcher yet. Nevermind the fact that no one ever shouts for it anymore anyway. Maybe once they allow weakening items it will pick up again.

I've also stated above that I am -not- working on an Almace. If I can get enough of the items from WoE I will probably make the WoE sword, but I don't have anyone to help with empy farming and I don't have time to solo it (well I guess if I wanted to do nothing but farm an empy in my limited spare time I could do it, but real life is more important to me than a game, also the game would cease to be fun if I was trying to burn up an empy - which I said above but you clearly didn't read it)

Iron Chef Olorinus wrote:


Also keep in mind while it's fine to recommend uber stuff, I'm not in the market for thaumas stuff etc... basically I'd appreciate advice on items that I can get from AH/meeble/Abyssea/Voidwatch over r/ex stuff from legion/neo-nyzul. Looking at neo-salvage it seems at least somewhat feasible that it is something I could get into in the near future (reports have it not being too terribly hard) - so some side recommendations from that would be fine but I'm finding it super hard to even get people on meeble so, more near term solutions would be welcome (along with say... "this is better when you can get it")

Also apart from a magian fire sword (which I should get working on) - what's a few easier to obtain swords that are half decent?





Edited, Jan 21st 2013 11:09am by Olorinus
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#10 Jan 22 2013 at 8:11 AM Rating: Good
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Depending on your server, you could always merc for a win on floor 100. It's not the greatest option but some groups are pretty reliable(80%+ win rate) and let you keep every drops since they are mostly cap for their members.
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#11 Jan 24 2013 at 1:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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While you didn't actually state you refused to make Almace (in fact you actually said you wanted advice on gear from Abyssea), you're not going to find anything "easy" that's better than STRx2 or STR+Sanus.

For TP, Saeval's advice is the best you'll find on Toci's and Haste. TP stats are generally Haste, TA/DA, STR/Att, and Acc, roughly in that order depending on what you're targeting (Pil and Ig-Alima favor Acc for example).

As for Neo Nyzul, getting 80 can be expected with a good group, in good gear, without cheating. With the previous update, you only need 5 wins per piece, so don't just discount Thaumas quite yet.

And you really should think about getting an Almace.
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#12Iron Chef Olorinus, Posted: Jan 24 2013 at 6:39 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I've thought a lot about getting an Almace. However, I am a casual player. I currently play maybe 3 times a week for between 1 and 3 hours. If I'm really having fun I might play a bit more on the weekend, but grinding out an empy doesn't count as "fun." I'm not in a serious LS, or even in a casual LS where I know people well enough to ask them to help me out.
#13 Jan 24 2013 at 7:46 PM Rating: Good
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You are vastly overestimating the difficulty of getting an Empy weapon, considering I did it on that same schedule of 3-4 nights a week with 1-3 hours a night. I, too, did not want to bore myself with farming it, so instead of burning it out in a few days, I did it once a week or every other week and it was still only over the course of a few months. All that's "needed" is a NIN friend, and if you don't have that (or a MNK friend), good luck getting anything easy in Abyssea.

No one can make you get an Almace, and no one cares if you don't, but stop pretending like a level 90 Empy is a herculean feat. This isn't epeen, it's pride in your job you chose to level.
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#14 Jan 28 2013 at 4:15 PM Rating: Good
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I actually don't have any close friends who are decently geared on any jobs currently playing much. Unfortunately they all took breaks. And contrary to what you say above, it's a lot easier shouting up someone for an item that is a single drop or can be farmed in a single run than doing it day after day for months. I'm pretty sure I can get a ninja or a monk for one run of something, but for months of runs? No thanks.

Look, I understand that the empy sword is -the best- sword. I am not disputing that. I'm not some derp that's going to argue math with people who know better than me.

I just don't understand why folks can't actually help with the question being asked instead of going and stating the obvious. Contrary to popular belief, it's extremely obvious what most of the BEST OF THE BEST gear is. Even if not just from looking at it, but from obsessively reading this board/ffxiah/bg constantly. However people often don't talk about a host of decent gear that while it isn't the best, is certainly better than other options available.

I don't actually need anyone's help determining that an empy sword is better than the rest of them. I could use suggestions for other swords that aren't terribad and will get the job done. Mmmkay? Sort of like how when I ask how I can get full haste or close to it while wearing a toci's body, I am not asking people to tell me the NNI body is better.

I understand that in your mind, my disinterest in farming an empy means I'm either stupid or I don't take pride in my "job" - that's fine. You can judge me if it provides you some relief, some entertainment, or just cause you can't help it. I don't particularly care.

I'm just not particularly bothered about being the best. When I ask questions like this I am asking for advice in constraints. I mean, it's fine if you want to state the obvious "THE SUPER MEGA WEAPON IS BETTER THAN THIS, BUT X IS PRETTY OK" for example, but to completely ignore my actual question - which is not related to being "THE BEST" but related to "hey what gear should I shoot for, these are the events I would like to do, or I like to do"



Edited, Jan 28th 2013 2:16pm by Olorinus
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#15 Jan 28 2013 at 7:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Almace and Thaumas were brought up because getting it is easier than you claimed, not because you didn't know it was the best. Two seperate issues. "Wah, I have no friends." isn't actually a good counter-argument for the former. I already ignored the latter because you obviously got that.

And the two people that brought up Almace and Thaumas did answer your questions with alternatives or with basic stat advice. You can step off your soapbox with the whole "can't actually help with the question" line of reasoning.
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#16 Jan 28 2013 at 8:33 PM Rating: Good
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"Wah, I have no friends." isn't actually a good counter-argument for the former."

I didn't say I have no friends, I said my -well geared- friends are on a break or playing very infrequently right now. Also, when I spoke of offering alternatives I was referring to you, and funny, I don't see you offering any advice on specific pieces other than to point me to Saevel who was not answering the question I asked though I do appreciate you listed stats in priority order.

As for a soapbox... I didn't barge into your thread asking advice on how to build an empy saying "oh it's too hard." You did come into my thread asking a very specific question (which wasn't 'is getting an empy difficult?') and berated me for not being interested in making one. I don't think it is unreasonable to wish that folks would actually answer the ACTUAL question I had - which was - out of X events, what are some pieces of gear worth chasing after?

I also don't think getting an empy is hard. It's boring and time consuming. There -is- a difference. I am very sorry if the way I like to spend my in game time (and the way I don't like to spend my in game time) offends you, but it's a game, not a job.

After seeing a good number of my friends quit the game shortly after getting theirs, I don't see getting one as a way to making the game more enjoyable... I see it as a grindy time sink that burns people right out. Given that:

a) I don't actually need one to play the game, especially the content I am interested in
b) There is a lot of things I'd rather do
c) There is plenty I can do that would improve my character without making one
d) there is likely to be another super weapon set introduced with the new expansion, which may have a better sword anyway
e) I play more than one job, and out of the jobs I have BLU is not the one that needs an empy the most if I was going to make one



Edited, Jan 28th 2013 6:52pm by Olorinus
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Iron Chef Olorinus wrote:
I also need to admit this, I am not sure what stats etc. I should be gearing for in TP phase? Like, is attack only for WS? Basic basic advice would be appreciated.


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you're not going to find anything "easy" that's better than STRx2 or STR+Sanus. (...) TP stats are generally Haste, TA/DA, STR/Att, and Acc, roughly in that order depending on what you're targeting (Pil and Ig-Alima favor Acc for example).


You're right, next time I'll try to answer a specific question with a specific answer.

Edited, Jan 28th 2013 7:45pm by jlejeune
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#18 Jan 28 2013 at 8:53 PM Rating: Decent
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I thanked you for that bit, specifically about the TP phase. And I'll thank you again, I appreciate it for real.

Can you understand though how I'd be a bit annoyed when I asked about specific events and no one suggested a single bit of gear from almost any of them (no suggestions for meeble, no suggestions for neo salvage) and instead everyone suggested gear I specifically noted I didn't need recommended?

Especially when I noted that I understood that gear from those events wasn't going to be "the best," but that I was still interested in what upgrades I might find there?

Edited, Jan 28th 2013 6:55pm by Olorinus
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There's a hat from Meebles that looks dreadful, but has incredible stats for blu. Nemetona Cap: Haste +6%, 13str, 7acc, 7att. Also a 5% haste body option, cheruski needle ammo for 3str/2dex, and a ring with 6str/3acc.

I played Meebles for the first time last night and had a blast. I'll try to send you a tell next time
I get the chance to play it. Very short runs, exciting fights/challenges, and some very nice rewards. Also still trying to get a group together for NNI.
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#20 Jan 29 2013 at 4:24 PM Rating: Good
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I'll give NNI a shot for sure when we can get it together. I love meebles, even though I just did first set (but not goldwing, have a book ready to pop goldwing)

My playtime is generally in evenings though I have this friday off work, so I can possibly do something earlier (still need to finish cleaning but it's at the point where I can do other things too)
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I've been really relaxed with doing trials on STR sword since I started it early december, as in logging as usual and seeing darkday up and deciding to burn a few mobs on fireday in abyssea mostly, never sheduling ahead for it, and I just finished the 250 manticores trial so it's not that bad to do, especially when you can kill 50-80 solo easily per day, many more if ppl team up so it's worth considering too :)

And for NNI equip, I have some weird playtimes that don't really fit with the usual weekday evening/weekends statics so I just bought the wins in the end (been doing dynamis/limbus/VW for money when I play alone) and I must say that i'm not disappointed with the results(6 wins on 8 runs,got 12/15 pieces, all those I needed too) so don't discount NNI gear yet :)
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Just knocked out 300 birds in 3/4 of a Fireday, was in a party of 6 and we started at 0:00 and finished around 20h00 for everyone, so they go pretty fast when you team up with ppl to do them :)
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I was able to cw down 200 birds solo in about 3/4 of a vana day.
Cw burning makes most trials very quick.
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That's what I meant, being real casual with the best cleaving job for trials make STR sword a breze to do compared to other jobs :)
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thanks for the input guys. Unfortunately I haven't been able to play -at all- for the last week. It's a long weekend and I have a wicked toothache (so not going to be good for much) so maybe I'll be able to get on and get to work on some stuff.
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I just want to randomly add some anecdotal tidbits.

I recently completed my first Shikargar, the Agi/evasion path one (since those geodes and garudites are way easier to obtain than the 38 fire geodes I'm missing for my Str/Attack path one)

The wind trials were ridiculously easy to do. I got most of them done within 50 minutes each, thanks to the frequent wind weather in appropriate locations. The only one I used windsday kills were vermin (I went to kill hornets in Aby LaTheine). The rest was very simple thanks to Grauberg, Vunkerl, Wajaom and Buburimu having very reliable wind weather.

The only trick is that you have to make sure you do your wind trials during spring, summer or fall. Check http://ff11info.com/bazaar/en/weather.php to see how long, how frequent and which months of the year each weather happens in different zones. (As you can see, Grauberg [S] is windy all year long)

That entire experience was so positive (compared to fire path one) that I'm feeling like making a second evasion sword -- I'm sure I can think of a number of events where I can benefit from more evasion.
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