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#1 Sep 05 2012 at 2:57 PM Rating: Good
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I'm main handing an unfinished dark element magian trial (I go into gusgen mines and sync with what little time I'm on if it's darksday, or buy out all the shadow geodes and fenrite in the meantime if it's not, do something else for 30mins and then log out of FFXI), and offhanding a sapara of trials (because I haven't the time to grind out the ws points).

What should I use? I'm looking to finish the magian sword and maybe get a party together to get an Isador, provided I have time. Are there any alternatives for endgame that aren't Almace or Tizona? What are clubs like?

Edited, Sep 5th 2012 5:01pm by Demoncard
#2 Sep 05 2012 at 8:28 PM Rating: Excellent
Clubs are essentially worthless, since for the most part we don't really get any high damage clubs. The +Str Magian swords are really the only non-Empyrean, non-Mythic options for swords. The magic accuracy Magian swords, other than their base damage, really offer nothing to Blue Mage, since the magic accuracy would only affect additional effects on spells and not the actual spell accuracy, so it really doesn't have much use.

Edited, Sep 5th 2012 10:29pm by Vlorsutes
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#3 Sep 05 2012 at 10:58 PM Rating: Good
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Magic accuracy swords are awful. There's no reason to ever offhand sapara of trials. Augmented firmaments are a step up, but still pretty bad compared to a str sword. The trials aren't that grueling for blu, honestly. Isador isn't worth a real time investment.
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fire path magian swords, two of them. Mageblade is an ok sword that's quick and easy to get. Eva magian swords are handy.
Clubs are a no go sadly.
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#5kimjongil76, Posted: Sep 06 2012 at 9:08 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Well the fire swords are nice.
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My ******* brain hurts after reading this, what game are you playing? Uck.
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Just stop, man, for ****'s sake. It's one thing to just chime in with inaccuracies and fish tales, but it's another, far less tolerable act to pass it off as advice to someone humbly requesting answers.

You should probably see a doctor about your very severe case of BNS, by the way. Maybe he could prescribe an appropriate parser, or at least a damage formula.
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#8 Sep 06 2012 at 1:27 PM Rating: Good
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I've got a half finished fire elemental sword in storage. It's getting the geodes and Ifritite that I'm not looking forward to. The fire geodes are 90k a pop on the Bahamut ah, and fire weather seems to avoid me. :3


Do I need two of them or can I cope with one fire and one dark?

Edited, Sep 6th 2012 3:36pm by Demoncard
#10 Sep 06 2012 at 2:14 PM Rating: Excellent
If you don't want to spend the gil to make another Fire sword, there are options such as the Sanus Ensis as far as non-Magians go, or the DEX sword as an alternative. Outside of Almace and Tizona though, Fire swords are the best way to go for Blue Mage.

kimjongil76, you'll have to pardon my skepticism, but given the gear you've shown that you have on your Blue Mage, I doubt the numbers you're giving. In Legion, even with that sort of combo, you're going to have a hard time pulling off numbers anywhere close to that, and given how Blue Mage works, you'd be hard pressed to come even close to useful numbers, with full DD buffs. Legion is best suited for two-handed DD jobs, and Blue Mage, even /Thf, is going to fall so short that it's not going to matter. Not to mention, if your other DD are doing things right, there's no way you should be able to get off a skillchain on your own. If any Legion group is bringing you as Blue Mage, then I would assume that either they don't know just how inefficient Blu is over two-handed DD jobs, or they have so many people there that they can compensate for you on Blu, because Blu is one of the worst melee jobs for Legion by far.

As for 2-4 hit swords, those are among the worst swords for Blue Mage, because the delay on them is substantial in comparison to other swords Blu should be using, and you're losing out on a lot of damage to your spells and weaponskill damage by using those over Shikargar or Almace. Almace is a vastly superior sword for weaponskill damage than a 2-4 hit sword in the mainhand, and unless your DEX, Crit Rate, Crit Dmg, etc gear is subpar, your Chant du Cygne damage should be well above Requiescat.

There's a reason that the best Blu TP sets have Almace or Tizona in the mainhand and a +Str Shikargar in the off, because all other options are second rate at best.

I'm curious about the gear you use on your Blue Mage, so if you would, please post what gear you use for TP and WS purposes kimjongil76.
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I'm curious about the gear you use on your Blue Mage, so if you would, please post what gear you use for TP and WS purposes kimjongil76.



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#12kimjongil76, Posted: Sep 06 2012 at 7:58 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I have an almace, I use it sometimes. In some events like legion it builds TP to slow. Normely I am asked yo come drk. But I have beaten all legions with my japanese ls on blu and dark. My almace is 85, maybe by 95 it will be better.
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So, check it. This one time I did a seven billion damage skillchain because I was using a turbo animator in my ranged slot but also rune baghnaks because the str boost is amazing and is active when you have your weapon drawn, and that's rad because I almost always have my weapon drawn except for when I sub thf so I can sneak attack+mug for extra damage because that's super awesome and then I use red lotus blade and the skillchain does so much damage the moon is sundered and nobody believes me but here I am telling it to you so you should believe me and listen because why would I make things up when I could just prove it by telling you I did it and then I used a warp cudgel to use moonlight to give me back MP so I can use triumphant roar and a samba and do JUST AS MUCH DAMAGE AS A SWORD WITH DOUBLE THE BASE DAMAGE.
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#15 Sep 06 2012 at 11:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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Professor Shock Vlorsutes wrote:
If you don't want to spend the gil to make another Fire sword, there are options such as the Sanus Ensis as far as non-Magians go, or the DEX sword as an alternative. Outside of Almace and Tizona though, Fire swords are the best way to go for Blue Mage.

kimjongil76, you'll have to pardon my skepticism, but given the gear you've shown that you have on your Blue Mage, I doubt the numbers you're giving. In Legion, even with that sort of combo, you're going to have a hard time pulling off numbers anywhere close to that, and given how Blue Mage works, you'd be hard pressed to come even close to useful numbers, with full DD buffs. Legion is best suited for two-handed DD jobs, and Blue Mage, even /Thf, is going to fall so short that it's not going to matter. Not to mention, if your other DD are doing things right, there's no way you should be able to get off a skillchain on your own. If any Legion group is bringing you as Blue Mage, then I would assume that either they don't know just how inefficient Blu is over two-handed DD jobs, or they have so many people there that they can compensate for you on Blu, because Blu is one of the worst melee jobs for Legion by far.

As for 2-4 hit swords, those are among the worst swords for Blue Mage, because the delay on them is substantial in comparison to other swords Blu should be using, and you're losing out on a lot of damage to your spells and weaponskill damage by using those over Shikargar or Almace. Almace is a vastly superior sword for weaponskill damage than a 2-4 hit sword in the mainhand, and unless your DEX, Crit Rate, Crit Dmg, etc gear is subpar, your Chant du Cygne damage should be well above Requiescat. How can the delay be bad when I can be 130-180 tp with 2 4x's vs a almace and fire sword or almace and one 4x.. You really need to check out the proc rate and tp feed a blu or any job gets. 2 4x = a KCLUB. Except my base dmg is 32 per hit vs 11.

There's a reason that the best Blu TP sets have Almace or Tizona in the mainhand and a +Str Shikargar in the off, because all other options are second rate at best.


One thing most blus forget is our CA spell, TP takes affect in the spell we use to SC with. You can get 12-18 TP if you use regular swords before the spell is cast. If you use the 4x swords you can have 324-50+ TP before you launch your spell to CS. Add that to enhancement what is +50 TP anyway, your spells land with 80-100+tp. In this regard no double attack sword MaB sword MaC sword will help any. STR/DEX perhaps
I'm curious about the gear you use on your Blue Mage, so if you would, please post what gear you use for TP and WS purposes kimjongil76.



I have an almace, I use it sometimes. In some events like legion it builds TP to slow. Normely I am asked yo come drk. But I have beaten all legions with my japanese ls on blu and dark. My almace is 85, maybe by 95 it will be better.

As for 2 4x swords. I have helped mnks, thieves, and dual wielder wars with axes break latent afects lvl 71 weaponskills. In every senerio I would be standing by waiting for them to reach tp 100. . At battles end I woudl reset tp and do over. A monk with a great haste build couldsurpase me but besides that no. That being said, Sblade with Memori Mori and a good roar spell just flat out own.

I could do CDC + CA AS spikes. That would do 2000-2500 in Legion. Club on some NM's what are easy to hit and get behind to weapon skill "assuming they dont have a nansty TP move like spike fail" the SA havey swing + light SC willalmost always outdamage my almace in legion. 3-4k I guess I should update ffxiah.com with my gearsets. My LS would not have me come the jobs I do if I did not do good damage. If anything I am very anoyed how people say Almace is a blu gam changer but outside abby I don't see it as that. Inside abby its hit or miss. Example I was killing flytraps and the CDC would barely put a dent in those mobs even though they easy prey. In this case I reverted to Sblade again.

With the two 4x's you can Troar + put a samba or enspell on them and your dmg will be as good if not better than higher base swords.
I gave the author of this article the uses I use for all swords I use. He can take it or leave it, or even register for a test server accountand try all different ones out to find out what he is comfortable with.

As to the name calling guy above really you shoudl get out more. I am sorry peopel have you so locked into a job you can't think of the best ways to do dmg or adapt for all situations.

I am making 2 +11 double attack swords for my second account Ilet you know how that goes in a few weeks. I am guessing that will own CDC. I know when i fought shinru, CDC was weaker than 96 WS + sc sword. But DCD + CDC light was nice.






Edited, Sep 6th 2012 10:14pm by kimjongil76


First off, a lot of that sounds like Atma and gear issues on your end rather than the weapons themselves. There's a reason that Almace is put on such a high pedestal, and that's because of how good the sword is as far as melee damage and weaponskill damage. If you're barely able to put a dent in a flytrap with Chant du Cygne, then there's something wrong gear wise, because a good Blu should be able to do significant damage with it. In fact, if a Blue Mage were to come to Legion (or Provenance for that matter), their best best to do well damage wise is to forego spell damage and focus primarily on their damage with Chant du Cygne, because THAT's where their best damage would be coming from.

If you're wanting to up your melee damage, you should be going /War, not /Dnc or /Rdm, but even if you were going /Dnc or /Rdm, Haste Samba or En-spells aren't going to make up for the Aftermath effect from Almace, especially since you could still go /Dnc or /Rdm as an Almace Blu and get the Aftermath effect as well as Haste Samba or En-spells.

As said before, just list your TP, WS, and spell gear on here, because I'm skeptical of the numbers you're giving. As for what was said above by others, while some of what they said might have been blunt, given some of the exaggerated numbers you've thrown out in the past with no evidence to back them up (despite being asked to show said evidence), not to mention a few blatant lies that you admitted were just for trolling purposes, you have to understand their disbelief and skepticism.
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So, check it. This one time I did a seven billion damage skillchain because I was using a turbo animator in my ranged slot but also rune baghnaks because the str boost is amazing and is active when you have your weapon drawn, and that's rad because I almost always have my weapon drawn except for when I sub thf so I can sneak attack+mug for extra damage because that's super awesome and then I use red lotus blade and the skillchain does so much damage the moon is sundered and nobody believes me but here I am telling it to you so you should believe me and listen because why would I make things up when I could just prove it by telling you I did it and then I used a warp cudgel to use moonlight to give me back MP so I can use triumphant roar and a samba and do JUST AS MUCH DAMAGE AS A SWORD WITH DOUBLE THE BASE DAMAGE.


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I've got a half finished fire elemental sword in storage. It's getting the geodes and Ifritite that I'm not looking forward to. The fire geodes are 90k a pop on the Bahamut ah, and fire weather seems to avoid me. :3


Do I need two of them or can I cope with one fire and one dark?

Edited, Sep 6th 2012 3:36pm by Demoncard


Are you planning to ever make Almace? If so then don't make a second fire sword as it essentially becomes worthless later. Instead make a DEX or PDT sword (preferably DEX), that way it retains some use after you get CDC. If you never plan on making Almace, then plan on making Almace, seriously it's that good. Sanus Ensis is a good "stand in" sword until you get your fire sword finished or as a off hand for your fire until you get Almace finished.

-=Clubs=-

Pretty much for "procing" only as BLU gets all except Hexa and has a decent enough skill (B-) to actually hit things with them. I personally have a perdu wand for this purpose.

Edited, Sep 11th 2012 11:20pm by saevellakshmi
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Demoncard wrote:
I've got a half finished fire elemental sword in storage. It's getting the geodes and Ifritite that I'm not looking forward to. The fire geodes are 90k a pop on the Bahamut ah, and fire weather seems to avoid me. :3


Do I need two of them or can I cope with one fire and one dark?

Edited, Sep 6th 2012 3:36pm by Demoncard


Are you planning to ever make Almace? If so then don't make a second fire sword as it essentially becomes worthless later. Instead make a DEX or PDT sword (preferably DEX), that way it retains some use after you get CDC. If you never plan on making Almace, then plan on making Almace, seriously it's that good. Sanus Ensis is a good "stand in" sword until you get your fire sword finished or as a off hand for your fire until you get Almace finished.

-=Clubs=-

Pretty much for "procing" only as BLU gets all except Hexa and has a decent enough skill (B-) to actually hit things with them. I personally have a perdu wand for this purpose.

Edited, Sep 11th 2012 11:20pm by saevellakshmi


Sorry, but are you saying it's better to offhand a DEX sword than a STR sword? Because if so, I'd have to disagree. That's a copout because you don't think the STR sword is worth the gil it will take. DEX is cheap and easy (except for a couple of trials) but certainly not better.

Sure it will give a slight boost to CDC, but what about all the swings before and after CDC? STR +11 and Att +22 wins everytime.

OP, making an Almace is a long and difficult task if you don't have the support of a group to help you. If you can make one though, it's the best attainable BLU sword (Tizona is not attainable to the average player). Isador, Mageblade and Sanus Enis are nice to get you by until you get Almace, but they are inferior- don't let anyone tell you different. My best damage on a WS with blu prior to getting my almace was maybe 2000 dmg on a lucky vorpal sword. Now, I routinely do 2500+ CDC, sometimes getting as high as 4500. SC that with Amorphic Spikes for another 4k+ dmg.

So to sum it up, Almace is best main hand sword reasonably available. STR magian sword is best offhand available for melee dmg, and as an attribute bonus to many blu spells.

But that being said, you should also make yourself a couple of evasion swords, and or -PDT ones. They all come in handy in certain situations.
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The boost in WS damage is great, I'm sure, but I think the Aftermath makes a bigger difference in the long run.
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Sorry, but are you saying it's better to offhand a DEX sword than a STR sword? Because if so, I'd have to disagree.


Saevellakshmi wrote:
Are you planning to ever make Almace? If so then don't make a second fire sword as it essentially becomes worthless later. Instead make a DEX or PDT sword (preferably DEX), that way it retains some use after you get CDC.


Reading is hard.

DEX sword is obviously better when you need the accuracy, which is obviously what he meant. Obviously.
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I'll eventually go get an Almace, but that'll most likely be after my A levels. First I'm going to finish this fire sword (if I ever get the geodes) and then get an Isador or Sanus Ensis (hopefully the latter, a blue sword for BLU? Do want.), or do a thunder trial sword if I can't get a party together.
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Don't know if ram is trolling or not .... maybe someone's sock.

The order of best to worst is not important, what is important is the final goal which is Almace / STR sword. A single STR sword is fairly expensive and represents a significant time and gil investment. Making two results in the second becoming a wasted investment once someone obtains Almace, which they should obtain anyway. You end up with a 2nd STR sword hanging on your manicans inside your Mog House. Instead someone should invest in making a DEX or PDT sword that will still retain it's usability after the player finishes their Almace / STR Sword combo. Also the effort that would of went into the 2nd STR sword (gil / geode collecting) could instead be put into obtaining Almace faster.
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Ramzixi wrote:
Sorry, but are you saying it's better to offhand a DEX sword than a STR sword? Because if so, I'd have to disagree.


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Are you planning to ever make Almace? If so then don't make a second fire sword as it essentially becomes worthless later. Instead make a DEX or PDT sword (preferably DEX), that way it retains some use after you get CDC.


Reading is hard.

DEX sword is obviously better when you need the accuracy, which is obviously what he meant. Obviously.



Oops, yes, I admit I missed the part where he said "2nd fire sword". I thought he was suggesting making a DEX instead of 1 STR sword. Not trolling, just misread.

Ironically, I began making a DEX sword, and got to the Qutrub trial before switching over to fire sword. I may go back and make the dex sword, as I have the geodes on a mule, but I suppose they are better used for a thunder based staff for BLM or something, since I already have Almace.
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Honestly if you need an "off hand" sword for your STR Shikagar then use the Sanus Ensis. It's a ridiculously common drop off the dragon and provides you with solid DPS numbers while also giving your 13 STR and 13 MND (Requiscat), the cure stuff is a nice side bonus. Also serves as an off hand for Almace while building a STR Sword.
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This is a 'necropost', but via forum search this was the most recent Blu sword thread I found about Magian swords.


Has anybody done the Ice path for the INT +11 /Mag Atk Bonus +11 Shikagar ? I realize the Fire/str/atk sword we get most mileage out of, but how is the Ice in general? Do people find it helpful when doing a more 'Mage' oriented Spell/subjob setup?
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Unfortunately, there aren't that many applications for needing to be auto-attacking and using magic based spells. It's generally an either/or situation. And you'd be as well off or better with a chatoyant staff.

If you're looking for a stopgap sword, I'd probably go with wind or earth since you could still find occasional uses for them even after almace/fire.
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I have 2x Ic Shikargar.
I wanted them because it was irritating to me to swap to swords for Whirl of Rage, then staff for Charged Whisker when burning. Staff is a little bit stronger than ice swords.

The other big advantage to using them is sanguine blade. You get a nice boost to the damage and hp drained from it.
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saevellakshmi wrote:
Don't know if ram is trolling or not .... maybe someone's sock.

The order of best to worst is not important, what is important is the final goal which is Almace / STR sword. A single STR sword is fairly expensive and represents a significant time and gil investment. Making two results in the second becoming a wasted investment once someone obtains Almace, which they should obtain anyway. You end up with a 2nd STR sword hanging on your manicans inside your Mog House. Instead someone should invest in making a DEX or PDT sword that will still retain it's usability after the player finishes their Almace / STR Sword combo. Also the effort that would of went into the 2nd STR sword (gil / geode collecting) could instead be put into obtaining Almace faster.



Actually 2nd STR sword does have it's use. That is when you need none-elemental dmg from req. 2x STR sword is better for req spam than almace/STR.
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I have 2x Ic Shikargar.
I wanted them because it was irritating to me to swap to swords for Whirl of Rage, then staff for Charged Whisker when burning. Staff is a little bit stronger than ice swords.

The other big advantage to using them is sanguine blade. You get a nice boost to the damage and hp drained from it.


Yeah, Ice swords have niche uses, often a bit inferior to primary choices. I personally made a WS% sword to main alongside an Ice for those times I'd be looking to heavily Sanguine Blade (Brew) things. There's basically a point where once your gear is good enough, that % will do more than the INT/MATK. Sometimes I'd ***** around in Abyssea with Cosmos/Minikin/whatever-the-other-+dark-atma-is and just basically be invincible with 3k+ SBs. Sure, CDC can spike higher, but just turning your brain and pretending to be a vampire going, "BLAH!" at your monitor every time you WS has its charm. ;)



Otherwise, I'll never quite grasp the hate of the multi-hit weapons. The higher your haste gets, the less the increased delay means much. BLU has the benefit of a possible 40% Haste before DW is factored in for further delay reduction. In situations where BLUs are actually allowed to melee without getting their heads bitten off by their peers, mobs are likely to be dead before the difference in delays adds up to be a factor paired with BLU quick casting (and subsequent global delay). Yeah, the lesser per-hit damage is a blow, but that's ideally where the increased WS frequency picks up. Overall, I feel like these weapons were intended more for /DNC use across the jobs, as SE was a bit afraid to recreate the superiority of things like Joyeuse and Kraken club.
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Otherwise, I'll never quite grasp the hate of the multi-hit weapons. The higher your haste gets, the less the increased delay means much. BLU has the benefit of a possible 40% Haste before DW is factored in for further delay reduction. In situations where BLUs are actually allowed to melee without getting their heads bitten off by their peers, mobs are likely to be dead before the difference in delays adds up to be a factor paired with BLU quick casting (and subsequent global delay). Yeah, the lesser per-hit damage is a blow, but that's ideally where the increased WS frequency picks up. Overall, I feel like these weapons were intended more for /DNC use across the jobs, as SE was a bit afraid to recreate the superiority of things like Joyeuse and Kraken club.


Because the Double Attack +11 weapons pretty much make the multihit weapons unhelpful. /WAR+ sword+ brutal+ epona's= 29% DA+ 3% triple attack and that ends up giving you TP just as fast as the occasionally attacks twice sword, with a weapon that has a higher base damage than your almace. (unless you finish with the plates) And the double/triple attack helps your WS damage as well, unlike Occ. Attack twice.

Double/triple attack not stacking with the multihit weapons was pretty bad to start with, but we get waaaay more of it now. The above is just a baseline. You could add Enif Corozza or Toci's harness on top of that, and possibly the triple attack spell trait and just make multi hits completely worthless even for /DNC.

With no one doing the lower tier fights though, it's gotten a bit expensive. I stocked up on hundreds of riftsands/silver mirrors back when theyw ere 1k trash drops, but now they're 8-15k a pop.
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#31 Nov 08 2012 at 5:05 PM Rating: Good
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True enough on the upgrade resources, and that's where mine had paused (mirrors) before I focused on other things. I'd say DA/TA not stacking is a bit of a misnomer (similarly to how people thought DA hurt TA chances), but not applying to physical WS is true. Multi-hit gear is also better than it was at 75 along with BLU having traits. I also looked to the sword's viability toward RDM and PLD, as well. Temper off-sets it a bit on RDM's end, and while for PLD it wouldn't be a good main-hand, off the top of my head, they wouldn't be swimming in as much DA. Basically, there are far worse swords to make, but also better.

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Otherwise, I'll never quite grasp the hate of the multi-hit weapons. The higher your haste gets, the less the increased delay means much. BLU has the benefit of a possible 40% Haste before DW is factored in for further delay reduction.


That is not accurate. Haste means nothing for the additional delay as haste / DW is a percentage reduction and so as a percentage it treats everything equally.

The reason you see hate on the MH weapons is that their proc rate is low and delay is too high for their base DMG. You get more damage out of another STR sword or one of the many other options. To add insult to injury the proc can only happen after QA/TA/DA is checked, with the stupid amount that BLU can get now the effective proc of the OaX weapons is much lower then advertised.

Ultimately, it's a waste of time to do them.
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Otherwise, I'll never quite grasp the hate of the multi-hit weapons. The higher your haste gets, the less the increased delay means much. BLU has the benefit of a possible 40% Haste before DW is factored in for further delay reduction. In situations where BLUs are actually allowed to melee without getting their heads bitten off by their peers, mobs are likely to be dead before the difference in delays adds up to be a factor paired with BLU quick casting (and subsequent global delay). Yeah, the lesser per-hit damage is a blow, but that's ideally where the increased WS frequency picks up. Overall, I feel like these weapons were intended more for /DNC use across the jobs, as SE was a bit afraid to recreate the superiority of things like Joyeuse and Kraken club.



Looking at the spreadsheet though, multi-hit's faster WS frequency really didn't catch up. It's not that much faster WS frequency.
It's not like WS frequency increased by 100%

Using dynamis DC as target, /DNC, used RCB, and 12 STR DEX merit.

Using average Joe BLU TP/WS set:
TP: Almace/oce+1/thaumas body/legs/hands/feet/rancor/atheling/rajas/epona/suppa/brutal/twilight
WS: Almace/oce+1/toci/athos's hand/athos's legs/thaumas feet/rajas/epona/rancor/atheling/brutal/moonshade attkTP/wanion

Offhand STR:
WS dmg 2254
set DPS 230.801
full DPS 200.876

Total cycle time: 1533
(833 with haste samba and double march)

OA 2~4:
WS dmg 2087
set DPS 201.204
full DPS 183.117

Total cycle time: 1386
(759 with haste samba and double march)

OAT:
WS dmg 2143
set DPS 212.115
full DPS 189.664

Total cycle time: 1500

DA:
WS dmg 2231
set DPS 221.629
full DPS 195.372

Total cycle time: 1525

OA 2~4, which supposed to TP fastest, actually has lowest full DPS overall.


There's one situation that DA offhand beats STR though, that is in Abyssea, /WAR and eat RCB.
I got 531.773 from STR and 534.704 from DA. But who'e want to make a sword and eat expensive food just for abyssea?
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Using average Joe BLU TP/WS set:
TP: Almace/oce+1/thaumas body/legs/hands/feet/rancor/atheling/rajas/epona/suppa/brutal/twilight
WS: Almace/oce+1/toci/athos's hand/athos's legs/thaumas feet/rajas/epona/rancor/atheling/brutal/moonshade attkTP/wanion


That's average Joe blue's gear alright....

Edited, Nov 18th 2012 10:57pm by Xilk

Edited, Nov 18th 2012 10:58pm by Xilk
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#36 Nov 19 2012 at 5:18 AM Rating: Excellent
Xilk wrote:
Afania wrote:

Using average Joe BLU TP/WS set:
TP: Almace/oce+1/thaumas body/legs/hands/feet/rancor/atheling/rajas/epona/suppa/brutal/twilight
WS: Almace/oce+1/toci/athos's hand/athos's legs/thaumas feet/rajas/epona/rancor/atheling/brutal/moonshade attkTP/wanion


That's average Joe blue's gear alright....

Edited, Nov 18th 2012 10:57pm by Xilk

Edited, Nov 18th 2012 10:58pm by Xilk


Even though most "average joes" may not have that kind of gear, it still stands to show just how significant the output difference is between those weapon types, and if the 2-4x swords come up short in the best TP/WS sets available, then they're going to just as likely fall short in a more "basic" set. A good Blue Mage is going to try and strive for those gear pieces anyway, since they currently stand as pretty much the best equipment for TP/WS.
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yeah but let's be realistic, thaumas stuff is pretty much 100% out of reach for the majority of players who are

a) not already geared to the teeth in the few jobs that can do NNI well

b) not willing to use 3rd party tools (well other than voice chat...)

So I am not -striving- to get those pieces because I recognize they are perfectly out of reach. /shrugs.

That said, OA2-4 is not worth making regardless.
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