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Hmm... Physical Blue Spells Triggering !!'sFollow

#1 Dec 16 2010 at 6:00 PM Rating: Default
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My linkshell thinks i'm going crazy, maybe i am, but i could swear that some of my Physical Blue Magic spells are triggering (!!)'s. No one else is attacking the mob, no one is casting on it, i'm certainly not using my TP for weaponskills, and every so often i trigger a !! which displays the usual message of Your attack staggers the fiend and terrorizes it just like a Red !! would. Apparently it "cannot be done because Wiki doesnt say so", but that comment has been a joke for quite some time now.

Gonna go duo some NM's tomorrow, i'll see if i can trigger some more and post some screenshots when applicable.

Have you guys noticed things like this as well?
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#2 Dec 16 2010 at 6:15 PM Rating: Good
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What spells are you talking about? I've been farming +1 seals for the last three days and have never seen this happen. Mostly using:

Disseverment (too hard to give it up, despite the 5 point cost)
Quad. Cont
Goblin Rush
Benthic Typhoon
Delta Thrust
Vanity Dive
Head Butt

Are you using some other spells?
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#3 Dec 16 2010 at 7:35 PM Rating: Good
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and you screenshotted it so you could post it and we could see, right?
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#4 Dec 16 2010 at 7:40 PM Rating: Default
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Blu magic is blu magic point is pysical or not its still blu magic. I was just reading another forum where they comfired seed spray triiger !!. Cant remember if it was BG KI or wiki but yeah you not crazy some of our pysical spell trigger !!
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#5 Dec 16 2010 at 11:51 PM Rating: Good
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AlternativeOne wrote:
Blu magic is blu magic point is pysical or not its still blu magic. I was just reading another forum where they comfired seed spray triiger !!. Cant remember if it was BG KI or wiki but yeah you not crazy some of our pysical spell trigger !!


there are a few physcial spells that trigger yellow !!. this is confirmed and tested.
Seedspray for example is counting as an earth elemental spell that triggers it.

However OP is suggesting he triggers RED !! w/ physical blue spells which is something else entirely.

Also, yeah, need specific spells and screenshots to corroborate this. the info is too sparse.
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#6 Dec 17 2010 at 7:35 AM Rating: Default
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Most likely its Headbutt that's been doing it for me.(either alt+3 or 4) It might be the added effects of spells triggering it, but i'm fairly certain yellow doest give the "frozen in its tracks" message. Home in 6 hours for more testing, lots of snow.
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#7 Dec 17 2010 at 11:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Were your spells under the effect of Chain Affinity? Perhaps SE gave us more WS qualities than just the ability to skillchain when Chain Affinity is in play.

Just an idea.
#8 Dec 17 2010 at 2:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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On the other hand, are you sure some other group wasn't fighting another NM by you? You do see the stagger messages of other groups when they hit them.
#9 Dec 17 2010 at 3:29 PM Rating: Good
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The blue spells that trigger grellow have been determined before heroes was released. They are:

Dark: Death Ray, Eyes on Me
Fire: Heat Breath, Firespit
Earth: Magnetite Cloud, Seedspray
Water: Regurgitation, Maelstrom
Wind: Mysterious Light, Hecatomb Wave
Ice: Ice Break, Frost Breath
Lightning: Mind Blast, Blitzstrahl
Light: 1000 Needles, Radiant Breath

Edited, Dec 17th 2010 7:35pm by abenx
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abenx wrote:

Wind: Mysterious Light, Flying Hip Press


Are you sure about flying hip press? Wiki has hecatomb wave listed, not sure if it's been proven wrong and not corrected or what.
#11 Dec 17 2010 at 4:22 PM Rating: Default
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What I wonder is if the new spells can trigger. Namely Charged Whisker for Thunder.
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#12 Dec 17 2010 at 6:34 PM Rating: Good
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Bahh ya you're right, editing. My bad.
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I have also seen grellow triggered by cold wave for ice multiple times. I do not have screen shots, but will try and get some next time.

Edited, Dec 23rd 2010 1:25pm by danco
#14 Dec 28 2010 at 12:58 PM Rating: Default
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Why doesn't anyone who ever claims this stuff ever have screen shots???????????
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#15 Dec 28 2010 at 3:12 PM Rating: Good
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kenshynOnShiva wrote:
Why doesn't anyone who ever claims this stuff ever have screen shots???????????

cause they're usually (in my cases, at least) "holy **** wtf just happened?" moments.
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Vestrivan wrote:
kenshynOnShiva wrote:
Why doesn't anyone who ever claims this stuff ever have screen shots???????????

cause they're usually (in my cases, at least) "holy **** wtf just happened?" moments.

All the more reason to screenshot it. You don't SS normal things, you SS weird or amazing things. Taking a moment to scroll up in your chatlog and take a SS is not going to kill you and helps your case quite a bit... assuming you have filters off and nobody else is in range, anyway.
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#17 Dec 29 2010 at 8:04 PM Rating: Default
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All these random "confirmed" trigger spells are getting old. Wiki seems to change weekly, can we get a grip?
Forever, "Bad Breath" was a trigger. Then Seedspray. Now Sandspin?

Which is it? Is it all of them? Just some?
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#18 Dec 29 2010 at 8:16 PM Rating: Good
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The corrected list I gave is confirmed. All else is still speculation to my knowledge.
#19 Dec 30 2010 at 1:32 AM Rating: Good
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I can confirm Abenx's list. I've triggered with every spell on there.
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#20 Dec 30 2010 at 2:45 PM Rating: Default
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Dracoth wrote:
I can confirm Abenx's list. I've triggered with every spell on there.


Thanks for confirming and thanks Abenx for correcting.

Also, thanks to whoever for camping me.
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#21AlternativeOne, Posted: Jan 03 2011 at 5:55 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) triggered yellow on the mandy NM in altep, 100% sure it was thermal pulse since it was only spell i cast and only a mnk was fighting mob. Want proof go try it.
#22 Jan 03 2011 at 6:11 PM Rating: Good
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Oh look, grellow claim #9821376512 with no screenshot evidence. How nice.
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#23 Jan 03 2011 at 7:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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You'd think at this point of the game let alone the with how long the internet is out that people would figure out that simply saying something isn't going to prove a damn thing. Hell, I'd think that a SS wouldn't be sufficient evidence for something like this. It's not hard, for instance, to set filters to rule out people in an alliance, thus negating the chatline that would show the proper spell working. This isn't even considering the fact that you see any groups' stagger messages, regardless of if you're with them or not. I got very confused the first time that Disseverment yielded a yellow stagger message while I was fighting a Gullycampa in Abyssea - Attohwa. When I realized someone was fighting the Borer NM right next to me, though, it all made sense.

I'd really like to see a detailed chat log going back at least 10-15 seconds (think Timestamp) with all filters clearly turned off before I'd readily believe that a BLU physical spell (Seedspray, not withstanding) triggers yellow. As for AlternativeOne's claim of doing this with only a MNK. Was the MNK /NIN by chance?
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#24 Jan 04 2011 at 7:29 AM Rating: Default
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The main problem is trying to reproduce the effect for a screenshot. I've been trying ever since. It just doesnt seem to happen anymore. I must have taken hundreds of Mechanical Menaces out in Ule after this. Never seeing a proc with the exact same spelllist.

The thing is, i proc'd on a non-NM. No, the actual NM wasnt being fought anywhere around me and the !! as well as the terror effect was active on my current opponent. I'm pretty sure it was just a server hickup at this point. I guess i've seen stranger things happen, but still... this was weird.
#25 Jan 04 2011 at 9:52 AM Rating: Good
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KojiroSoma wrote:
The thing is, i proc'd on a non-NM. No, the actual NM wasnt being fought anywhere around me and the !! as well as the terror effect was active on my current opponent. I'm pretty sure it was just a server hickup at this point. I guess i've seen stranger things happen, but still... this was weird.


It was either a hallucination or a server error. Normal mobs can't be !!'d. The stagger message occurs if you're in XP range, as well, from all that I can tell (saw it last night when I came back from AFK during the Grauberg Zone Boss - was well out of range and still saw the red !! proc message), so you can't be positive it wasn't an NM. The mob freezing, though, just seems weird. I'd put it down to a glitch, especially since you haven't been able to repeat it. If it happens again, don't forget to SS it.
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