Avatar Accuracy Debunked!Follow

The final in my Testing Saga, this time I tested accuracy, specifically focusing on the Accuracy Bonus granted when you are -over- the skill cap of Summoning Magic and "Enhances" gear. Simple testing, I did a baseline test with 269 skill (on cap, no merits, no gear bonuses). Noted my merits in avatar acc, and subtracted from the result to get overall avatar acc (baseline). I then tossed on 10 summoning magic skill and noted the difference. I tested both melee and bp accuracy using TP return and Rush. In total, I performed 70 Rushes with and 70 without the ring (total of 700 hits).

Baseline Test

Greater Colibri
TOTAL HITS: 350
AMOUNT LANDED: 250
HIT RATE FOR RUSH: 71.43%
33% (4)
24% (3)
41% (5)
24% (3)
24% (3)
41% (5)
41% (5)
16% (2)
24% (3)
33% (4)
16% (2)
24% (3)
24% (3)
24% (3)
24% (3)
24% (3)
24% (3)
41% (5)
41% (5)
33% (4)
33% (4)
24% (3)
41% (5)
41% (5)
24% (3)
33% (4)
16% (2)
24% (3)
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24% (3)
41% (5)
33% (4)
33% (4)
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16% (2)
24% (3)
33% (4)
33% (4)
41% (5)
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24% (3)
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41% (5)
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24% (3)
33% (4)
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24% (3)
33% (4)
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16% (2)
33% (4)
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41% (5)
33% (4)
24% (3)
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33% (4)
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24% (3)
24% (3)
16% (2)
33% (4)
16% (2)
41% (5)
33% (4)
33% (4)

 
Melee Damage 
Player            Melee Dmg   Melee %   Hit/Miss   M.Acc %  M.Low/Hi    M.Avg  #Crit  C.Low/Hi   C.Avg     Crit% 
Shiva                  5885   29.81 %     141/76   64.98 %     30/49    38.86     10     64/95   79.40    7.09 % 

Noticed whilst testing: Seemed to fluctuate between 64%~66% for melee hits, blood pact accuracy seemed incredibly high in comparison.

Observed Hit Rate for Melee: 64.98%
If Accuracy==Evasion, Hit Rate is 75%. Every 1 acc/eva results in a 0.5% change in this. Avatars do not have any level correction (which is usually 4acc/level bonus/penalty) so 336-20=316 acc, minus my merits (3 merits, 9 acc total).

Therefore we can conclude that Avatars have a base of ~307 accuracy.

Also of note is the unusual increase in accuracy of Blood Pacts compared to Melee Accuracy. Overall BP accuracy is listed at ~71%. This strongly hints at some sort of innate accuracy bonus with blood pacts, which could be in the form of raw accuracy or a lower cap on hit rate. Assuming it's one or the other, we can conclude:

-Blood Pact Accuracy has an innate bonus of ~10-15 accuracy when performing physical blood pacts.
OR
-Blood Pact Hit Rate has a lower cap (perhaps 70%)

Testing Summoning Magic Skill

Very simple premise. I will add 10 summoning magic skill in the form of Evoker's Ring, which should add accuracy to both/either Blood Pact/Melee accuracy. I suspect 1 summoning magic over the cap will give 1 accuracy, or in other words, +0.5% hit rate. If this is true, Evoker's Ring should increase my Hit Rate by an impressive 5%. I do not think it will affect melee hits however. Let's see.

Greater Colibri
TOTAL HITS: 350
AMOUNT LANDED: 262
HIT RATE FOR RUSH: 74.86%
33%
(4)
41% (5)
16% (2)
24% (3)
33% (4)
16% (2)
8% (1)
41% (5)
33% (4)
16% (2)
33% (4)
24% (3)
16% (2)
41% (5)
33% (4)
33% (4)
24% (3)
41% (5)
41% (5)
33% (4)
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41% (5)
33% (4)
33% (4)
24% (3)
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33% (4)
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33% (4)
24% (3)
33% (4)
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41% (5)

 
Melee Damage 
Player            Melee Dmg   Melee %   Hit/Miss   M.Acc %  M.Low/Hi    M.Avg  #Crit  C.Low/Hi   C.Avg     Crit% 
Shiva                  6804   30.87 %     157/84   65.15 %     30/52    39.78     14     63/96   79.64    8.92 % 

Observed Hit Rate for Melee: 65.15%

No difference in melee hits, proving Summoning Magic Skill over cap bonus do not affect them. Blood Pact hits have indeed increased by 3.43%, which falls short of the 5% increase expected, but is far too high to suggest 2 skill is 1 accuracy. I suspect with a larger sample set it will even out to 5% as expected. Therefore, I can say with some confidence that:

1 Summoning Magic Skill over cap = 1 Accuracy


Enhances Avatar Accuracy Bonus

Finally, the same test was performed but with Evoker's Spats. I suspect I will only see an increase on Blood Pact again, though the amount I have no idea.

Greater Colibri
TOTAL HITS: 250
AMOUNT LANDED: 196
HIT RATE FOR RUSH: 78.4%
33% (4)
33% (4)
33% (4)
24% (3)
24% (3)
24% (3)
24% (3)
24% (3)
24% (3)
33% (4)
41% (5)
33% (4)
33% (4)
24% (3)
41% (5)
41% (5)
41% (5)
41% (5)
33% (4)
24% (3)
33% (4)
33% (4)
16% (2)
33% (4)
41% (5)
33% (4)
33% (4)
33% (4)
33% (4)
33% (4)
41% (5)
41% (5)
33% (4)
33% (4)
24% (3)
41% (5)
33% (4)
33% (4)
24% (3)
33% (4)
33% (4)
41% (5)
33% (4)
33% (4)
16% (2)
24% (3)
16% (2)
41% (5)
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41% (5)

 
Melee Damage 
Player            Melee Dmg   Melee %   Hit/Miss   M.Acc %  M.Low/Hi    M.Avg  #Crit  C.Low/Hi   C.Avg     Crit% 
Shiva                  8063   28.12 %     185/72   71.98 %     30/52    39.39     20     64/91   78.20   10.81 % 

Surprisingly, the effect has affected both BP and melee hits! The increase also seems substantial, with an average of a 7% increase in hit rate (melee) and 7% increase in hit rate (BP). This equates to a +14 accuracy bonus for both melee and blood pacts.

Now the final question, does this boost stack? We can easily test this by using both Summoner's Bracers and Evoker's Spats. Since we have confirmed Summoning Magic Skill only applies to Blood Pacts, the only boosts to Melee hits should be in the form of both of these accuracy bonuses. I suspect I will see +28 Acc (or +14% hit rate from base, so 79% hit rate). It can be assumed if it stacks it will also apply to Blood Pacts.

 
Melee Damage 
Player            Melee Dmg   Melee %   Hit/Miss   M.Acc %  M.Low/Hi    M.Avg  #Crit  C.Low/Hi   C.Avg     Crit% 
Shiva                 10077  100.00 %     241/64   79.02 %     30/52    40.03     11     63/91   79.00    4.56 % 

And there you have it. The bonus does indeed stack, and the amount is the same.


Conclusions
Blood Pacts
*Blood Pacts get some form of accuracy bonus similar to how Weapon Skills do. This bonus is either +10~15 accuracy or a hardcap of 70%, further testing on Wyrms needed.
*Avatars have ~307 accuracy at Lv75
Summoning Magic Skill
*Summoning Magic Skill adds 1 accuracy for every 1 skill over the cap.
*Only works on BP hits.
Enhances Avatar Accuracy
*Adds 14 accuracy.
*Works on melee and BP hits.
*This effect stacks.

Implications
-Evoker's Spats are by far better than any other leg pieces which grant Skill instead (for accuracy purposes). The bonus granted by Enhances Avatar Accuracy would only be matched by a whopping +14 Summoning Magic Skill.
-Generally speaking each piece of "Enhances Avatar Accuracy" will improve your hit rate by 7%. So both Summoner's Bracers and Evoker's Spats will give you a 14% increase in hit rate (unless you're capped that is).


Edited, Oct 14th 2009 7:23pm by kegsay

Edited, Oct 15th 2009 2:53am by kegsay

Interesting results Evoker's Spats info is especially which means using them is ideal over Oracle's Braconi for BP Rage.

Edit for grammar

Edited, Oct 14th 2009 5:40pm by komugichan

The specifically mentioned BPs in the update notes. Anything about skill affecting melee was speculation after that.

http://www.playonline.com/pcd/update/ff11us/20061017UJ0a71/detail.html

i have actually been using herder's subligar for pet ACC during rage attacks..

any chance you could throw them into your test ;)

Interesting (and surprising) results. Thanks for doing the testing kegsay!

A few comments:
-The accuracy boost you were seeing on Rush with no summoning skill over the cap could possibly be due to the innate accuracy bonus to the first hit of a weaponskill?
-I'm still not convinced 1 skill = 1 accuracy. The margin for error is too great to run around declaring this as fact (3.4% for 10 skill is +0.68% per skill, closer to 1 acc per 2 skill than 1 acc per 1 skill). I think it warrants further testing, rather than just concluding that 1 skill = 1 accuracy. My money is on either 1 acc per 2 skill, or 0.9 acc per skill (like the combat skill formula for skill over 200).

OK, if I'm understanding the math correctly, to cap out BP accuracy (on greater Colibri) you would need approx +50 Accuracy over base? (following normal 1 accuracy = .5 hit %)

So I guess we can conclude, with the numbers thrown around and assuming Evoker's Spats and Relic hands (base +28 accuracy, not counting the SMN skill)

If 2 skill = 1 accuracy = 44 skill over cap needed
If 1 skill = .9 accuracy = 25 skill over cap needed
if 1 skill = 1 accuracy = 22 skill over cap needed

or in other words, pathetically easy to cap accuracy. So I have to ask again SE....why do you refuse to offer awards and benefits to SMNs that spend the time and effort to max out their skill and equipment?

I mean other than Siphon we see once again that there really isn't just much benefit to being as good as possible. Sigh.

But was suprised to see about the Evoker's spats. Guess I'm gonna have to drag them out of the cellar and start using them again. And how beastly are Summoner Bracers +1? Between 20~26 accuracy on them alone....

I've actually had really good results on rush ever since avatar accuracy was adjusted to be effected by skill over the cap. Not crit like damage or anything, but I wouldn't call it bad if I can get it to do 1100+ on Dark ixion every now and then. Generally does around 600-800 on him, which is what most pacts do on him unless its a crit, so i'm happy with it. If you follow up with a merit pact her tp gain is awesome as you already know.

I think it's just working better for me now though because i gained some tenshodo coffer items that boost pet acc.


those items +merits seem to give rush the acc it needs to perform on the level of the others consistently, but as kegsay reports in the avatar bloodpact formulas, the first hit of rush is weaker than that of other 70 pacts because the pact itself is 2-4 more hits than the others. Flaming crush has also worked its way back into my heart, it's great as long as all 3 hits land.

But when you can still critical higher with P.claws (I've been in the 1200s on DI) and more importantly sustain a higher average BP, it's a waste of time to BP Rush. (And not to mention "lolmeritBP on DI")

Umm....yeah? It's been known for a very long time that Flaming Crush's 3rd hit is magical.

And I garuntee if you stop eyeballing and actually get real numbers, your Rush is NOT putting up the same average as Predator Claws.

Cause in the animation he does a fire effect on the third hit.

Great findings.

I too believe that the boost in acc for BP could be due to a sinificant acc boost to first hit of a WS. This can't be dismissed by eyeballing, simply because if you eyeball a SAM, you'll witness a ton of gekko wiffs. This isn't to say that gekko doesn't get an acc bonus, cuz it does, but eyeballing it will lie to you.

I think Pergatory is exactly right here. Let's assume you get capped ACC (95%) on the first hit of Rush. So let's only consider the hits following the first hit when calculating ACC %age.

First hit will account for 350/5 = 70 swings. 
First hit will account for 0.95*(350/5) = 66.5 hits. 
 
Baseline Test: 
Adjusted Swings = 350 - 70   = 280 
Adjusted Hits   = 250 - 66.5 = 183.5 
 
ACC = 183.5 / 280 * 100% = 65.54% 
 
 
10 Skill Test: 
Adjusted Swings = 350 - 70   = 280 
Adjusted Hits   = 262 - 66.5 = 195.5 
 
ACC = 195.5 / 280 * 100% = 69.82% 
 
 
10 Skill ->  4.24 % ACC

It comes a lot closer to the expected 10 ACC increase assuming 1 skill = 1 ACC. Also you said melee hits fell into a 64-66% ACC range, and this adjustment fits that observation pretty tightly.

Nice test... and I think if you assume 95% hit rate on the first hit, you've pretty much satisfied my curiosity.

Edited, Oct 22nd 2009 9:13am by Hakamaru

Let me know your results on that. I'm very interested in Evoker's Spats vs Herder's Subligar accuracy bonus.

Damage Summary 
Player               Total Dmg   Damage %   Melee Dmg   Range Dmg   Abil. Dmg  WSkill Dmg   Spell Dmg  Other Dmg 
Darkdaredevil             6261    20.00 %        5149           0           0        1112           0          0 
Dobar                     5168    16.51 %        4443           0           0         725           0          0 
Irya                        31     0.10 %           0           0           0           0          31          0 
Mordryd                   4508    14.40 %        4014           0           0         494           0          0 
Simmiya                     72     0.23 %          13           0           0          59           0          0 
Trevyn                    5802    18.53 %        4922           0           0         880           0          0 
CourierCarrie             4516    14.43 %        4414           0         102           0           0          0 
CrabFamiliar              4696    15.00 %        4694           0           2           0           0          0 
SC: Detonation             169     0.54 %           0           0           0           0           0          0 
SC: Scission                83     0.27 %           0           0           0           0           0          0 
Total                    31306   100.00 %       27649           0         104        3270          31          0 
 
 
Melee Damage 
Player            Melee Dmg   Melee %   Hit/Miss   M.Acc %  M.Low/Hi    M.Avg  #Crit  C.Low/Hi   C.Avg     Crit% 
Darkdaredevil          5149   82.24 %    405/194   67.61 %      0/22    11.76     29     13/37   25.14    7.16 % 
Dobar                  4443   85.97 %    244/157   60.85 %      6/26    17.24     12     22/50   37.00    4.92 % 
Mordryd                4014   89.04 %    239/174   57.87 %      1/23    15.46     17     13/46   34.24    7.11 % 
Simmiya                  13   18.06 %        1/1   50.00 %     13/13    13.00      0       0/0    0.00    0.00 % 
Trevyn                 4922   84.83 %    295/203   59.24 %      0/27    15.73     15     26/47   34.53    5.08 % 
CourierCarrie          4414   97.74 %    238/159   59.95 %      5/28    17.45     14     22/58   36.07    5.88 % 
CrabFamiliar           4694   99.96 %    249/127   66.22 %      5/28    18.16      8     28/54   39.63    3.21 % 
 
 
Weaponskill Damage 
Player                 WSkill Dmg   WSkill %  Hit/Miss   WS.Acc %   WS.Low/Hi   WS.Avg 
Darkdaredevil                1112    17.76 %      21/0   100.00 %      16/100    52.95 
 - Blade: Retsu              1044    93.88 %      19/0   100.00 %      16/100    54.95 
 - Blade: Rin                  24     2.16 %       1/0   100.00 %       24/24    24.00 
 - Blade: Teki                 44     3.96 %       1/0   100.00 %       44/44    44.00 
Dobar                         725    14.03 %      19/0   100.00 %       13/62    38.16 
 - Raging Axe                 725   100.00 %      19/0   100.00 %       13/62    38.16 
Mordryd                       494    10.96 %      14/0   100.00 %        7/58    35.29 
 - Raging Axe                 494   100.00 %      14/0   100.00 %        7/58    35.29 
Simmiya                        59    81.94 %       1/0   100.00 %       59/59    59.00 
 - Burning Blade               59   100.00 %       1/0   100.00 %       59/59    59.00 
Trevyn                        880    15.17 %      15/0   100.00 %      24/103    58.67 
 - Blade: Retsu               880   100.00 %      15/0   100.00 %      24/103    58.67 
 
 
Ability Damage 
Player                  Abil. Dmg    Abil. %  Hit/Miss    A.Acc %    A.Low/Hi    A.Avg 
CourierCarrie                 102     2.26 %       8/0   100.00 %        1/31    12.75 
 - Big Scissors                39    38.24 %       2/0   100.00 %        8/31    19.50 
 - Bubble Shower               63    61.76 %       6/0   100.00 %        1/21    10.50 
CrabFamiliar                    2     0.04 %       1/0   100.00 %         2/2     2.00 
 - Bubble Shower                2   100.00 %       1/0   100.00 %         2/2     2.00 
 
 
Spell Damage 
Player                  Spell Dmg   Spell %  #Spells  #Fail  S.Low/Hi     S.Avg  #MBurst  MB.Low/Hi   MB.Avg 
Irya                           31  100.00 %       35      0       0/2      0.89        0        0/0     0.00 
 - Dia                         31  100.00 %       35      0       0/2      0.89        0        0/0     0.00 
 
 
Skillchain Damage 
Skillchain          SC Dmg  # SC  SC.Low/Hi  SC.Avg 
SC: Detonation         169     9      10/30   18.78 
SC: Scission            83     3      16/49   27.67 
 
 
 

Oookay, here's the breakdown. Mordryd was the BST with the herder's subligar, and Crab familiar was his pet. This party was in Kazham @25 sync, so it's the earliest possible level to have been using it.

If i'm reading this right, it's approximately a 6% increase in melee accuracy, meaning +12 accuracy? Better than I thought it was.


(I was Trevyn, on ninja.)

Well, i wouldn't want a level 25 equip to beat our AF pants anyways. ;p

especially not a subligar!

Info from ffxiclopedia.


Familiar || item used || family || level obtainable || level cap

Crab Familiar || Fish Broth || Crab || 23 || 55

Courier Carrie || Fish Oil Broth || Crab || 23 || 75

So you're saying that the NQ crab could be higher level than the HQ crab?

Edited, Oct 31st 2009 3:19pm by Aiyl

Well, I've never really heard of that before. I would think that since both BST called their familiar at the same level (after sync) and they are essentially the same pet with different level caps, that if there were wierd level discrepencies they would be the same... or at least favor CC.

but then, i guess that would be expecting SE to make sense. either way feel free to do your tests =3

EDIT: dur dur. Kparser. found it while poking around some other jobs forums, i think it was monk. guess you could confirm pet accuracy by finding another SMN and both meleeing with the same avatar, one with only the subilgar on and one with no pet accuracy at all.

K stands for Kinetics or some such. he developed it, if you can't find the thread maybe you can find the user.

EDIT2: http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/jobs.html?fjob=11&mid=120428836669526658&num=190&page=1

Kinematics. Parser thread found it! It's in his siggy.

Edited, Oct 31st 2009 5:49pm by Aiyl


Edited, Oct 31st 2009 5:59pm by Aiyl

I've been really impressed with flaming crush recently on harder mobs too. I'm starting to wonder if magic acc is beneficial to that pact in addition to melee accuracy. Last night i hit a 3,268 flaming crush on behemoth and i was very much in shock. The one before that was 2600. I don't know what was going on there.

If I had access to the game right now (stupid SE and their visa/mastercard verify BS) i would tell you exactly how much acc i have on my ws setup for drg, but my guess is that it's not +90 over my base skill even with merits.

Yeah i just got back in game 30 minutes ago. On drg i only have about 58 acc on weaponskills. I guess you can count my polarm skill merits and the job trait acc bonus 1 and 2 if you want. But it seems the accuracy between a well geared summoner and a DD job are pretty similar. (except for Yuki, that always misses)