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#1 Nov 18 2012 at 9:58 PM Rating: Good
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I could probably post this in the EQ2 forums, but the problem seems to be more hardware/software related than anything.

I'm using XP SP3, and have 3.25GB of Ram.

I used to get "Critical Error: Applicaiton Ran out of Memory when requesting XXXXXXX bytes (limit 2048 MB, current XXMB)" often, but only after a few hours of playing or lots of changing zones. After the latest update I got this error every time the game started. As soon as it started loading the character screen.

I tried a few things, closed down a bunch of background programs, etc. Nothing seemed to work. Searching online I found one forum that posted a solution, supposedly from Microsoft:
http://eq2.elements-guild.eu/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=29

I was a bit hesitant to try it. I'm not exactly sure what it does. I tried to research what the 'switches' at the end did, but wasn't very sucessful.

I ended up trying it, and the game started right up. I'm not sure what exactly it did if anything... maybe it was just a coincidence? Any insight to the problem? I've heard it being caused by me using a 32bit OS, or being caused by me using a 32bit OS with a Nvidia 580 with the latest drivers, or it being a problem with the way EQ2 is programmed. I've had the same issues with Guild Wars 2. Once the program starts to use a lot of memory, the game crashes and tells me I'm out even though the error report says I have plenty of free memory.
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#2 Nov 19 2012 at 1:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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The main problem you are running into is memory addressing. a Nvidia 580 GTX has at a minimum of 1.5 GB onboard video ram,. WIndows 32 bit of any version can only address 3.3 GB total memory registers, including the system ram and a portion of the video ram due to the CUDA engine. Essentially you were running out of address space. the /3GB switch tells windows 32 bit to kind of ignore any ram above 2GB in your system to prevent problems. You can read a bit more about it here. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff556232.aspx

It is a fix of sorts, but it technically slows your computer down some. The real fix is to upgrade to a 64 bit browser. Especially in a gaming rig that has a 580 GTX in it. Avoid 64 bit XP though, there aren't drivers for it. Windows 7 is the preferred gaming platform at the moment, and ram is dirt cheap. Toss 8 or more GB ram in that same machine with a 64 bit OS and you'll be amazed at the performance boost you get in game.
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#3 Nov 19 2012 at 5:09 PM Rating: Good
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I always thought I needed a different processor/motherboard if I wanted to upgrade to a 64 bit OS. This is my current processor. I'm not sure about the motherboard. That portion of computers has never been something I've researched.

I knew about the addressing limit, but didn't think it would cause this problem because the system seemed to know that I had a lot of free RAM and the page file.

So you think I could put Windows 7 on this machine?

I want to build a new computer, but am short on cash because I've chosen to upgrade my house instead.

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Upgrading would also let me use the latest DirectX...

Edited, Nov 19th 2012 7:47pm by TirithRR
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#4 Nov 19 2012 at 10:51 PM Rating: Excellent
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Nope, you're good for 64 bit. The important part was "Instruction Set 64-bit" As long as it has that, youa re fine, and nearly every core 2 ont he planet except some of the very very early ones is 64 bit capable.

You could definitly put windows 7 64 bit on that machine. And it would be worth it,. The only tricky parts you may run into is you may need a bios update on your motherboard first (only ran into that once) and the sound card driver may be slightly difficult to locate. I can help with that though.
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#5 Nov 20 2012 at 5:19 AM Rating: Good
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I think I'm going to pickup a copy of Windows 7, and buy 8GB of RAM, a new 1TB HDD, and a 128 or 256GB SSD. Backup all my large files onto the 1TB, remove my existing 750GB, put the SSD and 8GB RAM in an install Windows 7 on it.

I checked the link you had in the other thread about the 49$ 1TB HDD and was disappointed that it was out of stock, and this morning it was back in stock but the 50% off was gone :(
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#6 Nov 20 2012 at 8:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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There should be some other large hard drive deals Friday or monday. For SSD's at the rate windows patches are growing, you'll want the 256GB, I reccopmmend a Samsung 830 or 840 for that at the moment, with a Crucial M4 in second place. mYour motherboard probably doesn't have 6GB / SATA ports so your drives will be a little slower than they could be regardless of which one you go with, but there won't be compatability issues.

edit: the 2TB ones are on sale for $99 this morning if that helps. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148910 also the 256GB samsung 840 drives. http://promotions.newegg.com/NEemail/Nov-0-2012/Countdown_48Hr-20-m/index-landing.html?nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL112012&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL112012-_-EMC-112012-Index-_-E0-_-Get#special

Edited, Nov 20th 2012 6:59am by Kaolian
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#7 Nov 20 2012 at 5:02 PM Rating: Good
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I purchased it all today as I got home from work.

It was a little more than I expected to spend (due to the price of the SSD), but I think the items I bought will serve well. And the drives will last me beyond this one computer.

Edited, Nov 20th 2012 6:03pm by TirithRR
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#8 Nov 20 2012 at 7:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Damnit Kao, why did you have to go and point out the Newegg sales? I just ended up buying a new motherboard so I can finally have a board that supports SATA 6 Gb/s.
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I dunno. As much business as I personally give them and direct their way they should damned well be giving me a sales commission at this point.
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#10 Nov 23 2012 at 4:53 PM Rating: Good
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A little bummed that my package seems to have taken an extended vacation in New Jersey. At least I got some new games to keep me a bit busy while I wait for the hardware to arrive.
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#11 Nov 27 2012 at 9:09 PM Rating: Good
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Got all my stuff in today, and am currently running Windows 7 on my SSD with my 2TB secondary. Doing a lot of driver installation right now.

Backing up my 750GB HDD was painfully slow. Luckily I only really wanted about 400GB of data off of it.
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#12 Nov 27 2012 at 9:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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I haven't moved the OS image from the old SSD to the new faster one yet. I also need to finish rebuilding the secondary PC with the leftovers from the primary, since thats going to require a reload.
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#13 Nov 27 2012 at 9:56 PM Rating: Good
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I just got my audio driver working. That one took the longest to find (but wasn't that hard). Now to test out a game...

Edit:
Man, Steam is a bandwidth hog. I set it up to download Skyrim while was installing all my software, and it took up all my bandwidth leaving nothing for my other software downloads until I paused it.

Edit2:
I have all my drivers except the config software for my keyboard.
I have an old Logitech Elite Keyboard, and unfortunately it looks like Logitech's iTouch software doesn't support 64bit. I don't get to use my nice little volume knob on my keyboard anymore :(

Edited, Nov 27th 2012 11:14pm by TirithRR
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#14 Nov 28 2012 at 12:04 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm sitting here installing a few hundred windows updates. I really don't enjoy reinstalling operating systems, but I figured it was best to go with a clean and fresh install. The SSD is making things go much much faster than any other install I've done. So far it's worth the money.
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I'm almost used to everything. Except the newest Firefox... one thing bothers me.

I can't double click the empty tab bar space to open a new tab. It's Middle click now for some reason. Been searching for a solution, but the only ones seem to be unsupported addons.
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#16 Nov 30 2012 at 1:10 PM Rating: Decent
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I've always just used ctrl+t.
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