Barone Gambieras vs. Dusk Ledelsens vs. ????Follow

Tried asking about this in the gear thread but no one answered, and if I'm going to buy something I'd like to do it tonight before Dynamis.

So ... I'm pretty happy with my gear setup, I've got about as good as I can have without having stuff out of endgame events, with one exception: my feet.

Right now I'm using Feral Ledelsens, and feel like I really ought to have something better, Tabin Boot +1 are hard to get on my server (one might go up once every 1-2 weeks), so I'm trying to figure out what else I can get relatively easily.

Amir Boots are currently out of the question as I'm currently putting my ID Tags towards Nyzul, I'm not too sure about how to get Aurum, I don't have any experience with ZNM nor do I know anyone who does, Askar seems like a sidegrade if anything, Homam is still far out of reach (stuck on CoP 2-5).

So the only other things I know of are the Barone and Dusk feet, and I'd like to know if they're worth the gil or not. With my current set up I have the following total bonuses:

Attack +55
Acc +34
Haste +8%
Str +8 (in TP setup)
Dex +2

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/jobs.html?fjob=14;mid=119832559882273020;page=11;howmany=50#m123540350552165209


Edited, Feb 24th 2009 4:11pm by cynicalsaint

If those two are your only options then Dusk would be better to TP in but Barone is better to WS in. You can TP in Barone but Dusk would be better since you would be at 10% haste in gear which is what I went for before focusing on a haste setup. That and full polearm merits.

If you do go for Dusk then be ready to constantly be switching them in and out during merit parties or other events where you run from mob to mob. I currently use Dusk Gloves for TP and hit my WS Gear macro whenever I need to run to another mob because it swaps into my Heca Gloves. It can be annoying at first but you'll get used to it.

Personally, I would go for Amir in your situation. Spend a few tags a week working towards them and you'll have then in no time. They are just too nice and easy as hell to get. I've been using them now for a while and use them for TPing and WSing. They never come off my feet except when using Wheeling Thrust.

Aurum Feet > All so you might want to look into getting a ZNM LS. Some of the other pieces are pretty good as well.

Edited, Feb 24th 2009 4:24pm by Maxom

Totally understandable. I kinda went the other route and got Assault gear first, then got Sea, and I'm just now starting Nyzul/Limbus.

If money isn't a problem get both. They cover the best TP/WS gear you can currently get in your situation. If you can only afford one then get I would get Dusk.

If you have the means to get some Rutter Sabatons (a decent party might be able to do it) then I'd say buy the Dusk for TP and use the Rutters for WS. They are free and a good WS piece for most melee jobs.

Or you could kill Achamoth with two BLMs. Only hard part is getting the pull to the zone.

Lets look at all the amazing benefits of Askar Boots for DRG:

STR+3

The end.

Don't go after something just because it's "on your way." They're good for a damage-/enmity set for soloing, but they're not very stunning for TP otherwise.

Really, tell me of this strategy so that I may profit. Because I'm guess i'm too closedminded to see how that would work >.> And if it works the way I am thinking it works, how long does it take?

If he gets Aurum then he doesn't need Homam since Aurum are better for TP and can be used for WS's depending on you're other gear.

Edited, Feb 25th 2009 1:03pm by Maxom

HB Macro. That's my big plan for Homam feet on DRG anyway.

Edit:

It's also the 1-2 extra ACC. Personally, my ATK is ~499 with kabobs, and around 86.5% acc on G.Colibri. With 1 Min 1 March, and Dia II on birds, the 5 ATK is:
(((560/295)-.35)/((556/295)-.35))= .912% increase, and since the 3 DEX gives me a full 3 acc, it should bring me from 86.5 to 87.5(only 2 of the 3 apply), a 1.012% increase.

So it's 1% haste vs 1.924% increase. How much haste is needed for 1% haste to beat 1.924%? If I was at 46% haste before either boots, Homam and Aurum, then they'd break even. 46% haste is pretty hard to manage, because even with high end gear you'd usually never break 20% gear(remember, without boots) + the 26 from Haste/March. Dual marches obviously can reach this number though. Most of the time at this camp, Aurum>Homam.

Now, of course, the game doesn't revolve around greater Colibri. Once I get rajas, my DEX ratio may change and I may only get 1 acc from it. ATK scores may be different depending on food etc. However, in general, Aurum>Homam unless high atk/haste/acc situations. The way we play may be different, but I'm not in those situations very often.

Additional edit: I suck at simple subtraction. 560-5≠556. I don't feel like doing the math again, and it's around .2% to Aurum, which would make homam require 1-2% more total haste to pass Aurum.

Edited, Feb 25th 2009 2:53pm by Souji

Edited, Feb 25th 2009 6:26pm by Souji

Looking good > the marginal increase in DoT that Aurum provides over Homam.

lol i guess i am one of the few people who actually like how aj looks...

oh and for your answer i think that the znm drop aurum feet would do better than dusk, and you also don't have to worry about the negative effects on movement and such, if thats a problem for you. plus nice stats. but i am in the same boat as you on the feet. im currently working toward either aurum or amir boots. amir are a little easier for me to get since i already have a few assaults under my belt for that assault. but i am still workin on getting aurum.

I'd be inclined to say AJ provides a bit more than a marginal increase over SH.

This. I automatically think someone sucks if I see them wearing something worse than they can easily get while tping(sams in askar at merit, or osode etc(usually followed by flame/trimuphs etc). I'd prefer an ugly sam wearing AJ, aurum legs/boots etc, because they'll perform better and put some thought into their gear selections.

edit:

I think the attack was because although you're saying it's just for that piece, most people with that attitude applies it to all pieces.

Edited, Feb 25th 2009 6:08pm by Souji

Souji got it in one.

Homam feet > Aurum feet.

No clue why people think otherwise. Dragoon has enough issues getting haste as it is. They are close though, and if you're someone that isn't willing/able to do limbus but can do ZNMs, they're close enough.

Aurum feet are fulltime basically only for Warrior.

Edited, Feb 25th 2009 8:52pm by tordall

So ... to Summarize:

Get Dusk boots, use those till I can get Homam, as I definately plan to do Limbus once I have sea, and currently have little interest in doing ZNM.

Not surprisingly, 2 respective quotes from the Taru gods [Souji & Bsphil] pretty much cover the hijacked topic - homamF v AurumF.





So - players will gravitate towards one or the other depending on which becomes more attainable or fits better in their overall gears (or other personal quirks) and you'll see that much less carbon copy endgear dragoons walking around. Sounds good to me.

Regardles which they wear, I'll respect a player even more if she complements whichever he has with accompanying gears that accentuate its strength and compensates for its weakness. That shows they're actually thinking, and earns my vote of confidence.

A single march and haste would do it, probably just haste would too. With no haste spells cast on you it'd likely pull ahead, but in either direction for or against, it's a small margin. Now because homam favors a high-end build while aurum favors a low-end build, is the reason I use homam.

Sidenote: I still want aurum for my WAR.

Aurum vs Homam comes down to 1Acc 5Att vs 1% Haste. Either will hardly kill you.
That said:

With no shoes
401 Base Attack. + Subs(75) + Min(61) = 546 Attack.
292 Skill +72 Dex +16 Dex +32 Acc = 381 Accuracy
10% Haste + March(11%) + Haste(15%) +Hasso(10) = 46% Haste.

Vs
Colibri(82)
327 Defence
339 Evasion

75%+21%-14% = 82% Hit rate.

Adding Homam Gambieras:
Acc+6: 85/82 = 3.66% increase.
Haste+3: = 5.88% increase.
Total: 9.54% increase.

Adding Aurum Sabatons:
Dex+3 in this case gives 2Acc.
Acc+7: 85.5/82 = 4.27% increase.
Haste+2: 3.85%
Attack +5: (cRatio1/cRatio2):
((551/327)-(0.05*7))/((546/327)-(0.05*7))= 1.16%
Total: 9.28%

With Hasso, March/Min and Coeurl Subs, with my gearset, Homam will win.
sh*t.
Without Hasso, I believe Aurum pull ahead, 8.57% vs 8.66 in favour of Aurum, however as you can see it's very marginal.

Homam will also win if you are /War with Berserk up, but again fall short by next-to-nothing if berserk is down. They certainly dont lag behind enough to warrant switching to Aurum when berserk is down.

In any higher haste/att/acc situations, homam will pull further ahead.

However, with 403 att, and 10% haste at acc cap, befor feet:
5 Att 2% Haste = 1.73+2.27 = 4%
3% Haste = 3.45%
With Hasso up:
5 Att 2% Haste = 1.73+2.56 = 4.29%
3% Haste = 3.90%
Aurum win, but even then only by 0.5~%.
This last example was just to show how they fare without food or buffs (example: messing about in campaign). In this instance Aurum win, but not by enough to warrant a second macro for "non buff TP" gear imo.

*Changes his TP set*

I know its about ten days since last post but what about conte cosciales? I use them for ws macro and jump macro. but what about tp?

I did a little comparison of all the leg gears based on myself and my equip, and compared them(against colibri, buffs were Dia II, Min, March, Haste). For me, I ended up with this(I didn't finish, was at work0:

 
Leg Gear	Askar dirs	Homam	Dusk	Barb	Aurum	Barone	Conte	AF +1 
% Increase with Buffs	5.842%	6.839%	3.219%	6.835%	4.884%	2.913%	3.393%	5.263% 
Without Buffs		        	3.923%			3.254%	3.892%	 
 

Keep in mind I didn't finish my calcs, as I didn't finish the calcs without buffs(this affects any gear with ATK and/or haste, but not gears with straight ACC). Aurum has a miniscule difference between buffs and no buffs(due to being only 1 atk).

Now about the Barone and Conte specifically, part of what increases their % is that 2 STR will raise my fSTR by 1 on Colibri, and I use Cletine, which is a lower base damage. This means I get about 1% extra from them other people may not get.

Edit: It lined up incorrectly. Looks correct now. Homam isn't that weak without buffs ¬¬

Edit 2: GAH! I calced by current acc to high by 2 points... time to adjust every piece of gear with acc on it... also corrected ATK since I was giving extra atk to mithkabobs(these was making the atk on gear worth less)
Edited, Mar 6th 2009 10:52am by Souji

Edited, Mar 6th 2009 11:18am by Souji

Edited, Mar 6th 2009 11:44pm by Souji

Hmm, for the sake of the calc I used at the time(colibri, which is where my drg usually sees action nowadays) it gives me 2 fSTR, and gives me 5 acc, and 4-5 ATK(depends on meat or not, 4 with meat).

I have 409 ATK naturally(no legs), so it would bring it to 414, with kabobs, 478.
With Min giving 61(can be 66 but lets just use 61) it brings us up to 539.
ATK increase:
(((539/295)-.35)/((535/295)-.35)))= .957% increase
fSTR, I had 3 previously, and get 2 more, so it becomes:
96/94= 2.127% increase.
5 Acc gives me at my current set 2.924% increase
Since I have 7% double attack, 109/107= 1.869% increase from 2% DA.

Total increase: 7.877% increase with current gear and the buffs suggested, vs G.Colibri. If the fSTR didn't increase twice, and if the DEX didn't bump me to 5 but 4 instead, it would be: 6.281%. If just the fSTR changed, it would be 6.814, a little worse than Homam.

A little surprisingly, for me Ares beats even Homam. I'm also missing haste feet which I'd have before Ares, which should catch Homam up some. fSTR and ACC is one of those things we sometimes underestimate. (noticed while doing this I did some calcs above wrong on account of wrong base acc(I have 85.5%, but calced on 87.5%. It has been fixed above))


Edited, Mar 6th 2009 11:48pm by Souji

Edited, Mar 7th 2009 1:26am by Souji