I am finally closig in on Ninja 75 (2k to go) and was wondering about this katana. Looking around WG I have only seen 3-4 ninja with them equiped. So just from observation this is not a popular or useful weapon. Then I saw one of the Sackholders in one of our local HNMLs wearing a pair. His gear was built around haste, Walmart, Dusk Hands +1, Sonic Belt, etc. I wish I had written down his augments, but I'm wondering is there any value in Dual weilding 2 base 190 delay katanas, with the main one having the max damg augment of +5 so main hand damage would be 32 and max accuracy of +8?
I know from my Thf that below a certain delay I can theroitically get TP faster, but thf with triple attack and Brutal is so random on TP gain it is not something that makes a real impression during gameplay.
My gear once I hit 75 for TP will be:
Walmart: 5%
Dusk NQ: 3%
Swift: 4%
Byakkos: 5%
Fumas: 3%
so only a total of 20% haste.
Plus I have Suppa/Brutal for ear
and chose a Mirke with Dual Wield +3
Only a few things could speed me up, Dusk hands +1, Speed belt or try and stay at 75% Hp for Shinobi ring. If the Tsukumo has at least +5 accuracy then replacing a ring might be an option, but IDK.
Edited, Sep 26th 2009 6:01pm by Tepogue
Edited, Sep 27th 2009 2:05am by Tepogue
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Tsukumo - any good for attempting a haste build?Follow
Tsukumo with 33 (27+5) damage +8 acc paired with Perdu blade is the haste build I'm aiming for, with my full DW build (-45%) gives:
That's not yet factoring, +7sTP +15% eq.haste and 15%DA.
Can anyone help with math on final delay? I'm kind of rusty.
Edited, Sep 28th 2009 6:09am by Ryuukage
Damage: 32/32 Attack: 0/10 Acc: 8/5 Delay: 209(380)
That's not yet factoring, +7sTP +15% eq.haste and 15%DA.
Can anyone help with math on final delay? I'm kind of rusty.
Edited, Sep 28th 2009 6:09am by Ryuukage
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Well, with DWIV, 15% extra DW from gear, and 20% haste, you'd be looking at:
(380*.55)*.80=167.2
With the haste spell and 20% haste gear, you're looking at 138.85 delay.
Now lets add dual march into the mix..94.05 delay o.O
So, without any outside haste you'll be swinging once a little under 3 seconds, and with the haste spell you'll be swinging just a little more then once every 2 seconds..and with march you'll be swinging about every 1 1/2 seconds.
Very nice...death by 1000 papercuts. lol
Edited, Oct 12th 2009 5:30am by Zafire
(380*.55)*.80=167.2
With the haste spell and 20% haste gear, you're looking at 138.85 delay.
Now lets add dual march into the mix..94.05 delay o.O
So, without any outside haste you'll be swinging once a little under 3 seconds, and with the haste spell you'll be swinging just a little more then once every 2 seconds..and with march you'll be swinging about every 1 1/2 seconds.
Very nice...death by 1000 papercuts. lol
Edited, Oct 12th 2009 5:30am by Zafire
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15% extra DW from gear, and 20% haste
does not compute
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Quote:
does not compute
you can only have on one pair of pants at a time.
you can only have on one pair of pants at a time.
Nonsense..As a kid, in the winter..
But yeah, I feel pretty stupid about that one ;)
So lets change that
DWIV+2, with 20% haste gear 182.4
DWIV+2, with 20% haste gear&the haste spell 148.2
DWIV+2, with 20% haste gear&the haste spell&Dual march 102.6
still pretty good stuff
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All SJ's capped for LVL99!
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eh, i prefer my senju/perdu combo. its a little slower but sometimes slower is better if you hit more often and for more dmg. i use mke bike helmet and acp murky watercolors. i lose 2%haste from head and 2%dw from body but gain 20acc 5att 5str 5dex(af+1) and 5agi.
so, with my setup i have a delay of:
(417*.62)*.80 = 206.8
+ haste = 168.0
+ haste & dual marches = 116.3
soooo, 116 vs 102 delay in high haste environment.
i can spare 14 delay so my blade:jin doesnt hit like a little girl. with that amount of haste you are probably at like 120+ tp by the time you swap in ws gear and hit your ws macro anyway. any benefit you get from that extra delay reduction is defeated by human reaction time.
so, with my setup i have a delay of:
(417*.62)*.80 = 206.8
+ haste = 168.0
+ haste & dual marches = 116.3
soooo, 116 vs 102 delay in high haste environment.
i can spare 14 delay so my blade:jin doesnt hit like a little girl. with that amount of haste you are probably at like 120+ tp by the time you swap in ws gear and hit your ws macro anyway. any benefit you get from that extra delay reduction is defeated by human reaction time.
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i can spare 14 delay so my blade:jin doesnt hit like a little girl. with that amount of haste you are probably at like 120+ tp by the time you swap in ws gear and hit your ws macro anyway. any benefit you get from that extra delay reduction is defeated by human reaction time.
I aggree that your choice of 20ACC, BD, fSTR & att is arguably better than the faster option, but you'd be ok hitting Jin's with 102 Delay with scripted macro's however.
Things get even more fun when you add 10% Haste Samba into the mix. It bring your S/P delay with the DW Mirke & 10acc/3haste head setup down from 116.3 to 95.7
ACC is, a very important stat, and from a merit sense, if you have 8/8 katana, presumably Iknoweverything you now have something like this for total ACC:
276 (skill) + 45 (DEX) + 51 (equip inc PCC, bomblet, +7ACC ring) = 376. SE are very clever with there totals, its still not enough to eat meat, but should more or less cap acc @ MJSP with the 10% ACC from pizza
A NIN with Turban + Chainmail would be sitting at 20ACC less, and not capping ACC @ MJSP even with Pizza unless the boost from Innin was enough, but due to speed mobs KO its obviously not presant 100% of the time.
If I saw Iknoweverything lfp in WG, especially with addition of innin, i'd grab him instantly for a MJSP pty.
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My bad. I was drunk and didn't realize I had made this post lol
Edited, Oct 22nd 2009 5:48pm by bangem
Edited, Oct 22nd 2009 5:48pm by bangem
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Got this tonight
dmg +4, acc +8, fire dmg +13
I am far from the assault rank for Perdu blade, is this decent? Worse than Fudo? o.O
edit: I don't ever relly DD on nin, just solo /dnc or lowman stuff.
Edit took out link lol didnt realize hosting site had porn banners, they didnt last time i used them >.<
Edited, Mar 31st 2010 10:38am by petersghost
dmg +4, acc +8, fire dmg +13
I am far from the assault rank for Perdu blade, is this decent? Worse than Fudo? o.O
edit: I don't ever relly DD on nin, just solo /dnc or lowman stuff.
Edit took out link lol didnt realize hosting site had porn banners, they didnt last time i used them >.<
Edited, Mar 31st 2010 10:38am by petersghost
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Best Tsukumo I've been able to augment (on first set of attempts):
Dmg+5, Subtle Blow+4, Acc+7
Good augments have to exist. :)
Dmg+5, Subtle Blow+4, Acc+7
Good augments have to exist. :)
Honestly i went through about 14 tsukumo to try to get some good augments, havent really gotten anything i would truly be proud of tbh. One i have has
Dmg +5 acc +5 Subtle blow +4
and another
Dmg +4 acc +6 Subtle blow +5
I dont really use them, i prefer senji's dmg output.
Dmg +5 acc +5 Subtle blow +4
and another
Dmg +4 acc +6 Subtle blow +5
I dont really use them, i prefer senji's dmg output.
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petersghost wrote:
Got this tonight
http://www.stooorage.com/show/372/589003_ffxi_2010-03-21_23-25-25.png
dmg +4, acc +8, fire dmg +13
I am far from the assault rank for Perdu blade, is this decent? Worse than Fudo? o.O
edit: I don't ever relly DD on nin, just solo /dnc or lowman stuff.
Edited, Mar 22nd 2010 12:48am by petersghost
http://www.stooorage.com/show/372/589003_ffxi_2010-03-21_23-25-25.png
dmg +4, acc +8, fire dmg +13
I am far from the assault rank for Perdu blade, is this decent? Worse than Fudo? o.O
edit: I don't ever relly DD on nin, just solo /dnc or lowman stuff.
Edited, Mar 22nd 2010 12:48am by petersghost
nice NSFW image ads on that hosting site >.>
and grats on the katana, still working on my first one. killing during weather is such a bitch lol
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Just saw a DMG 5 ACC 7 CRIT HIT 4 Tsukumo. Perdu replaced?
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I'm also looking at the tsukumo in the future, will be 75 nin in a few weeks. I have Senj/perdu/Fudos already, most all needed nin gear and will be working on Magian eva/dex/Mozu(dmg) katanas... out of all of those, what are the best 2 to use on nin for merits/limbus?
The 5dmg 7acc 4crit augment looked pretty beastly with that delay, but im not sure how to math the katanas.
The 5dmg 7acc 4crit augment looked pretty beastly with that delay, but im not sure how to math the katanas.
iirc BG math showed the 5dmg/acc/crit version to come out about the same as senj, so anything less than that would be inferior. The main issue is that ninja gets a ton of DW gear so the difference between Senj and Tsukomo is very small (like minimum of 8 difference from the original 37), so when you're that buffed the base damage difference is moderately substantial.
Personally I like the lower delay for fun on Cape Terrigan FoVs, which anything you're fighting where you can have near capped fstr makes a substantial difference in their DPS.
5 damage is your best option ideally coupled with critical bonus. Accuracy or enspell damage would be good, but dmg/crit are better.
Personally I like the lower delay for fun on Cape Terrigan FoVs, which anything you're fighting where you can have near capped fstr makes a substantial difference in their DPS.
5 damage is your best option ideally coupled with critical bonus. Accuracy or enspell damage would be good, but dmg/crit are better.
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