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#1 Oct 09 2008 at 5:54 AM Rating: Decent
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would giving ninja provoke /ja be game breaking. i dont think so. heck give it to PLD while your at it. would make for some crazy awesome tank action.
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#2 Oct 09 2008 at 6:03 AM Rating: Decent
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would make for some crazy awesome tank action


Probably why they sub warrior.
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#3 Oct 09 2008 at 6:15 AM Rating: Good
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csolann wrote:
would giving ninja provoke /ja be game breaking. i dont think so. heck give it to PLD while your at it. would make for some crazy awesome tank action.
I'm not convinced that it would change anything. I mean, it would be a very good off the cuff enmity spike but so far as subjobs go I don't see anything changing.

NIN doesn't sub war in merits for voke, they do it for berserk and DA, both are borderline broken on NIN because of how they relate to dual wield and katanas.

NIN doesn't sub war for tanking because our damage is lol on endgame mobs, /drk facilitates all the hate we will ever want for.

PLD would still sub /nin for anything that matters, because shadows are that good. They already have several ways to produce hate, natively. Voke being added to their arsenal would only make the wedge between the utility of NIN vs. PLD that much greater.

What I mean to say is if tomorrow SE added provoke to both NIN and PLD's JA that it wouldn't change what we sub, it's not that important to have provoke in todays FFXI. It would be nice, much nicer for PLD I'd venture, but I don't see it as being a necessity.
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#4 Oct 09 2008 at 7:18 AM Rating: Decent
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BauranOfGaruda wrote:
PLD would still sub /nin for anything that matters, because shadows are that good. They already have several ways to produce hate, natively. Voke being added to their arsenal would only make the wedge between the utility of NIN vs. PLD that much greater.


all it would do is save them some mp. hate caps, and any tank that's not always at 90%+ of that cap (atleast for VE) shouldn't be tanking...and chances are, they aren't tanking.

nin's advantage over pld is that nin builds ce faster than pld, and voke gives none (well, 1 <.<).
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#5 Oct 09 2008 at 7:58 AM Rating: Decent
Not sure giving us native voke is the answer, but having a few job abilities to spike hate would be a nice addition...of course, getting SE to admit NINs are tanks is like pulling teeth with a spoon...
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#6 Oct 09 2008 at 10:31 AM Rating: Good
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Every time someone suggests this, I think, "Here is a person who doesn't really understand what Provoke does."
#7 Oct 09 2008 at 10:32 AM Rating: Decent
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I can say this would make /dnc pretty awesome for pld and ninja until the upper levels.

Would make for 2 vokes basically and much better hate management for Nin.
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