Faith+tantra+tokon+bruiser+portus ringFollow

Just curious how this stands up

True, but portus+tokon would add 10. So 7+7+3+5+5 would make 439 with merits. 439*.11+3 would be 48.29 rounded to 48 +3 to 51 taking it up a tier. Does that sound right? Still don't know if that is worth taking out the rajas and using tantra head as macro.

Edited, Sep 28th 2011 1:29pm by colonelcaveman

Sounds good, thanks

Suppose, have boob helm and shura with ws dmg+1 conserve tp+5 at disposal. Been using boob for fury.

Yea I was just speaking about abyssea really. I will get anwig eventually and probably switch from shura to tokon for the uncapped stuff outside aby.

@99:

424 (no merits): 49.64
440 (merits): 51.4
447 (+hands): 52.17
454 (+hands+faith): 52.94
457 (+hands+faith+bruiser): 53.27

i.e., if you aren't using Bruiser, don't pair Faith/Tantra hands. You'll only want to use Faith and Bruiser if you're using both of them and hands, and that's certainly a debatable choice.

Obvious upside: base dmg =1.

But it comes with a lot of downside in:
(a) the lost stats on the earring you're giving up,
(b) the other good stats you can get on neck gear (Rancor's crit rate, Calcitrant Stole's Kick dmg and slightly more atk than Faith, etc), and
(c) Subtle Blow -10 from the earring

Personally, I'll stick with Tantra +2 hands and my usual Calcitrant/Moonshade. Other less common setups are conceivable too (e.g. Faith, some non-Tantra hands, no Bruiser). Maybe with stuff like the upcoming new Denali pieces tweaking haste builds this would be more viable, guess that remains to be seen.

If you're using Ganesha's Mask and Faith Torque, Brego Gloves (+54 str, 625 att) should barely outdo Tantra Gloves +2 (+49 str, 629 att), but Tantra+2 hands with Calcitrant (+49 str, 631 att) should be a tiny bit better than Faith + Brego.

Overall best combo seems to be Tantra +2 head, Faith Torque and Melee +2 hands (+56 str, 623 att), slightly edging out Calcitrant neck (+56 str, 625 att). Rancor Collar of course beats both other neck choices if that's an option.

With Brutal, Atheling, Epona's and /war, average hits per punch would be 1.2637; avg punches per round would then be 2.5274, against 0.27 + set bonus worth of kicks. That makes kicks about 1/10 of all attacks per round. The +5 dmg to kicks is thus worth a bit less than +1 damage to all hits.



On the Melee Gaiters +2, you certainly don't want to wear them full-time. The main question is whether to macro them in for Perfect Counter. +10 damage to each counter vs +45 damage to each kick. Assuming you average 2 counters from PC, is that likely to happen in less than the time it will take to get ~0.45 kicks on average? If so, it's worth it. If not, it's not worth it.

Given the above 0.27 kicks per round, that means you'd pass 0.45 after just two rounds, so if it takes 2 or more of -your- attack rounds for the mob to get countered twice, it's not worth macroing in the gaiters. Since you will, on average, use PC halfway between two of your own attack rounds, you're actually looking at 1.5 rounds' worth of delay, or about 6 seconds with no outside buffs.

In general, it does not appear to be a good trade. If you were using it fulltime rather than just for PC, you'd want to be getting a counter more often than once every one of -your- attack rounds just for it to keep up with the damage you could have gotten from kicks.

With the Mask setup, my Attack is tiny bit over 700 as /war with food and no berserk or any other buffs.