Hey all, recently came back to the game, been leveling MNK just for grins and really having fun. I've been playing solo the whole time (level 27 currently) and will unlock DNC for a sub once I hit 30. My question is - is it worth looking into evasion gear? I mean, obviously it won't hurt, but is it worth the hassle? I have typically been killing lots of Easy Prey mobs quickly to level, but I figure with DNC sub I can move up to tougher stuff.
I'm specifically thinking of items like the Evasion Earring (+3 each), because I figure it helps to not take hits and MNK has strong evasion to start with. Of course I wouldn't simply load up on every possible evasion piece, just wondering if it is worth investing in some pieces like the Evasion Earrings (instead of +attack/-evasion earrings).
Thanks in advance for any input.
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Solo Question: Evasion Gear Worth It?Follow
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I believe it would depend on the accuracy of the mob you are fighting.
If you are fighting Easy Preys, I'm not sure about the actual math of it all... but I think it would be safe to say that most Easy Preys will not be accuracy capped against you. Against these mobs, you would probably see a noticeable gain in +Evasion gear against them.
However, if you decide to move up the ladder and start fighting tougher mobs, be aware of them achieving accuracy levels against your evasion so high that +Evasion gear might not even help.
Since you said you are soloing for the most part I would say yes, +Evasion gear will be worth it against what you will be looking into fighting for the most part.
Do you have your Emperor/Empress hairpin?
If you are fighting Easy Preys, I'm not sure about the actual math of it all... but I think it would be safe to say that most Easy Preys will not be accuracy capped against you. Against these mobs, you would probably see a noticeable gain in +Evasion gear against them.
However, if you decide to move up the ladder and start fighting tougher mobs, be aware of them achieving accuracy levels against your evasion so high that +Evasion gear might not even help.
Since you said you are soloing for the most part I would say yes, +Evasion gear will be worth it against what you will be looking into fighting for the most part.
Do you have your Emperor/Empress hairpin?
I do not yet have an Emperor/Empress hairpin, and honestly I don't anticipate that being an option for me for quite a long time. Emperor is hovering in the 300-320k gil range to purchase, and I wasn't really planning on camping for the Empress any time soon.
I figured I'd much rather have the Horomusha Kote for 320k than the hairpin, especially considering I can get Evasion +6 from earrings (want to avoid -evasion earrings) for 35k.
I appreciate the feedback, if anyone else has something add, please do!
I figured I'd much rather have the Horomusha Kote for 320k than the hairpin, especially considering I can get Evasion +6 from earrings (want to avoid -evasion earrings) for 35k.
I appreciate the feedback, if anyone else has something add, please do!
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So long as you stay at EM or below in signet/sigil areas, Mnk/Dnc is a complete monster. Sanction Signet/Sigil now has a hidden effect of significantly increasing your Def and Eva against the monster you are currently engaged (not links or if you are standing un-engaged getting beat on). Combined with /dnc and the power of mnk, you can steamroll EP-EM with signet without any real concerns. Gear up DD and go to town.
However, the moment you hit a T mob, the difference is severe. Eva highly reccomended for anything above EM. If no def/eva boost from signet/sigil, then eva on ~EM mobs can serve you well, but I wouldnt worry about it a lot.
Also it depends on level. Lv30 you get your 1st waltz and its potent. It caries you to 40ish easy on EM and Ts. However 40-50 EP-DCs are better ebcause your waltz heals the same as it did at lv 30. (Not enough for Ts). 50-60 blows. EP reccomended. You have to wait until lv 60 before you get your next waltz meaning you have your gimpy waltz you got at lv 30 trying to heal damage from lv 50-59 mobs. It doesnt work well. Just put up samba and steamroll EPs. 60+ it gets some pickup with a more potent waltz meaning more time DDing and lest time spent dancing like a fruit to live.
I wouldnt reccomend soloing T+ mobs on mnk/dnc for exp. You will get better exp/hour streamrolling EP/DC mobs (and its way safer). Toss in a Whm, PL, or Drg/Mage 60+ with AF helm (/drool Counterstance+infinite healing=neato) and T+ is pretty good though (VTs with Drg or PL).
Edited, Jan 28th 2010 5:53pm by Banalaty
However, the moment you hit a T mob, the difference is severe. Eva highly reccomended for anything above EM. If no def/eva boost from signet/sigil, then eva on ~EM mobs can serve you well, but I wouldnt worry about it a lot.
Also it depends on level. Lv30 you get your 1st waltz and its potent. It caries you to 40ish easy on EM and Ts. However 40-50 EP-DCs are better ebcause your waltz heals the same as it did at lv 30. (Not enough for Ts). 50-60 blows. EP reccomended. You have to wait until lv 60 before you get your next waltz meaning you have your gimpy waltz you got at lv 30 trying to heal damage from lv 50-59 mobs. It doesnt work well. Just put up samba and steamroll EPs. 60+ it gets some pickup with a more potent waltz meaning more time DDing and lest time spent dancing like a fruit to live.
I wouldnt reccomend soloing T+ mobs on mnk/dnc for exp. You will get better exp/hour streamrolling EP/DC mobs (and its way safer). Toss in a Whm, PL, or Drg/Mage 60+ with AF helm (/drool Counterstance+infinite healing=neato) and T+ is pretty good though (VTs with Drg or PL).
Edited, Jan 28th 2010 5:53pm by Banalaty
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Banalaty, thanks for the great info. I figure I will have to suck it up and party sometimes in all likelihood, but for now I am trying the solo route. I remember being excited in my first go through with MNK's ability to take on DC mobs even well into the 20s without biting the dust, even 2 and 3 in a row, but I quickly learned that dumptrucking a bunch of EP mobs is much faster, especially without any way to heal other than rest.
Sounds like I should probably invest in some Evasion Earrings when I can afford them, because I plan on sticking to Even Match and lower, and a steady diet of 50-75 xp EPs when I can find it.
As always, thanks for the input and if anyone else has some, please throw it out there.
Sounds like I should probably invest in some Evasion Earrings when I can afford them, because I plan on sticking to Even Match and lower, and a steady diet of 50-75 xp EPs when I can find it.
As always, thanks for the input and if anyone else has some, please throw it out there.
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MNK's base evasion is not bad; you are tied with DNC and SAM for 3rd highest, B+ rated. You can achieve a decent evade rate on a lot of things if you try; just don't expect it to work well up to HNMs and sh*te.
Just noticed you're still low level though... yeah, I wouldn't concern yourself with gearing for evade yet. If anything, focus on getting that /DNC sub leveled.
You probably just typoed, but I wanted to point out that Sanction does not carry that benefit. Signet and Sigil do, in their appropriate areas.
Edited, Jan 28th 2010 5:48pm by Fynlar
Just noticed you're still low level though... yeah, I wouldn't concern yourself with gearing for evade yet. If anything, focus on getting that /DNC sub leveled.
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So long as you stay at EM or below in signet areas, Mnk/Dnc is a complete monster. Sanction now has a hidden effect of significantly increasing your Def and Eva against the monster you are currently engaged (not links or if you are standing un-engaged getting beat on). Combined with /dnc and the power of mnk, you can steamroll EP-EM with signet without any real concerns. Gear up DD and go to town.
You probably just typoed, but I wanted to point out that Sanction does not carry that benefit. Signet and Sigil do, in their appropriate areas.
Edited, Jan 28th 2010 5:48pm by Fynlar
Fyn caught me on typo. FOILED AGAIN! (edited previous post)
Also, the way eva works, its like acc (ie its not going to make a world of difference unless you can stack a LOT). At low levels, you just dont get enough eva to really make a dif. At 75, you can gear up with ~60 eva and whatnot, and get a 30% evasion boost from it. At lv 20, you can get...what? +10ish for a 5% better evade rate? That is what I meant when i say you souhldnt really worry about it to much. It wont make much of a difference once you consider the time/gil spent to get the eva items, and that it hurts your DD. Atk is actually MORE powerful at low levels due to how the damage formula works. Doing things like dropping atk for eva will slow your kill speed and do "almost" nothing for your damage taken.
Edited, Jan 28th 2010 5:59pm by Banalaty
Also, the way eva works, its like acc (ie its not going to make a world of difference unless you can stack a LOT). At low levels, you just dont get enough eva to really make a dif. At 75, you can gear up with ~60 eva and whatnot, and get a 30% evasion boost from it. At lv 20, you can get...what? +10ish for a 5% better evade rate? That is what I meant when i say you souhldnt really worry about it to much. It wont make much of a difference once you consider the time/gil spent to get the eva items, and that it hurts your DD. Atk is actually MORE powerful at low levels due to how the damage formula works. Doing things like dropping atk for eva will slow your kill speed and do "almost" nothing for your damage taken.
Edited, Jan 28th 2010 5:59pm by Banalaty
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As usual thanks for the input! Sounds like I'll stick to getting evasion if I can, but not really worry about it too much. I'm sure it doesn't hurt, but since I can't really load up on it much, it's not worth breaking the bank trying to get my hands on a bunch of evasion gear.
I do need to get my DNC sub leveled, but I should probably unlock the job first :) Hopefully this weekend I can ding 30 and start to work on it. Then by the time I get DNC leveled up a bit I should be able to get my next round of MNK gear. I have to say, soloing may be a bit slower than parties (a LOT slower really), but it's nice that I get everything that drops!
I do need to get my DNC sub leveled, but I should probably unlock the job first :) Hopefully this weekend I can ding 30 and start to work on it. Then by the time I get DNC leveled up a bit I should be able to get my next round of MNK gear. I have to say, soloing may be a bit slower than parties (a LOT slower really), but it's nice that I get everything that drops!
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