TH+1 but thief can't use it?Follow

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Sorry for my ignorance on the new stuff, but seeing this picture make me sick.

Traits are more potent and I would bet my mog house that the next update will give us TH3 as a trait. That being said, I don't care. The sooner they give another job our level of TH or better, the soon we can not get invited to anything for any reason and then maybe SE will figure out something is wrong.

While on the topic of TH+ gear, is anyone else REALLY hoping they let the THF's knife get upgraded? I will cry if other melee are swinging DMG:120 weapons while we're still using that thing unbuffed. :\

because killing 20000 ep tonberries totally shows how dedicated you are to being a thief.

that wouldn't change anything. people who use thief for a th whore will still do the quest, even if it isnt their highest priority. at best you buy one month after you get it finished.

So you basically want SE to admit that the job should be pigeonholed into only having TH for its usefulness?

If anything, I want them to put a cap on TH (4 would be nice), give us natural TH3 and that be the end of it.

Much more important things to fix on the job than helping stuff drop...

Yeah because THFs in 2005 with that knife were NEVER sh*tty.

lolTHgear

and now that same BLM can come THF/BLM for the last 5% and then D2 everyone...Ouch

I normally just lurk around in the THF forums, today looking around for some thf 80 possible weapon options(thf 80 last night yay!--had to throw that one in there :D)..erhm on to the actual post..

Not sure if anyone cares, but that kinda looks like an add-on augmented piece; the ones we get from the keys obtained from the different BC fights(meaning SE didnt necessarily plan to do it, it was just randomly picked from some generator)

Edited, Jul 19th 2010 2:18pm by Grimvx

I understant what Lobivopis is saying. No point in debating the syntax. Once upon a time career THF stood out and there was a lot of respect given to those who sacrificed countless hours in U temple getting a thief knife to help their linkshell friends.

Hey rather than upgrade THF knife by killing 10,000 generic tonberry, lets hope they make it so we have to compete to kill a tonberry NM 10,000 times.... and it only pops in a small room every few hours.

O.O thats awesome lol, I wasnt even aware abyss had augmented gear like that. would contribute to the ongoing thf discussion, but sadly I only ever get to play thf to its fullest in low man stuff


Edit: oh and thnx ^^

Edited, Jul 20th 2010 11:00am by Grimvx

For all we know, it already is at 80. The actual function of TH is still largely unknown due to the absolutely massive amount of testing needed to get a solid understanding of it. TH1 and TH2, as both appear in the list, are very likely to function in slightly different ways -- but with any other job trait, additional tiers of the trait have to be discovered by the community. For all we know, THF has a new tier of the trait every level, and we just don't have the tests and data to show it.

Well, there's more testing than you give it credit for if you look, though the sentiment is correct; I was going off the assumption that an additional tier will be labelled seperately, as is TH1/2. That being said, I believe they gave them two seperate slots on the trait list just so people knew they existed, for the reasons you mentioned.

By any chance, have you met: Dipper Yuly ?

Misread; disregard

Edited, Aug 22nd 2010 7:25am by Fynlar

he killed 100 bees to find out if something gave a 1% droprate increase?.......

@ Sandmasterr

The sample size of that test is 100 kills with each level of treasure hunter. The testing method is sound but he would have to perform thousands of kills to get a reliable sample size. As Banalaty said, the treasure hunter 3 fields are higher than that of Treasure hunter 4 in some instances. I also have a problem with this statement



If this was the case Th1 and Th2 would VASTLY increase drop rates beyond that of TH2 which they clearly do not. There is no conclusive evidence that treasure hunter increase the number of times an item is rolled for. All data points to it raising the percentage that an item will drop when the mob dies (a higher chance with one roll still). To explain this I'll use a hypothetical example

If I'm killing a mob with an item that drops 25% of the time I will average 25 drops in 100 over an infinite sample size. There is solid proof that Treasure Hunter 1 multiplies drop rates by 1.5 and Treasure Hunter 2 multiplies drop rates by 2.0. Therefore with Th1 I would have a 37.5% drop rate and with TH2 I would have a 50% drop rate. Now here's where the concept of treasure hunter +1 items adding rolls falls apart. If Treasure hunter +1 added a roll then that 50% would be rolled for three times with a 50% chance of dropping each time. This would result in 0.5^3 == 0.125. That means there is a 12.5 chance the item would not drop and an 87.5% chance the item will drop. That would mean if an item's base drop rate was 25% the TK + AA combo would be MORE POWERFUL than the TH2 job trait itself, since the job trait would increase drop rates by 25% whereas the TK and AA would tack on a bonus 37.5%. This does not happen. If an item had a 35% drop rate then by that logic TH2 would raise the drop percent to 70% but adding TK and AA would raise the drop rates to 97%. There is never an instance where an item drops that frequently even with Th4, and there are some items that do exhibit an approximate 35% drop rate with zero treasure hunter. The random number generator is random, and 100 kills is far too small a sample size to give a reliable confidence rating. The concept that TH+ items increase the number of times an item is rolled for is flawed and has no backing within the game. ALL known drop data supports the concept of TH + items further increasing the chance of an item dropping with one singular roll per kill. The basic formula is this

(Base Drop Rate x TH Job Trait Bonus) + TH Item Bonus == Final Drop Rate %

Where the base drop rate is the drop rate without treasure hunter, the TH job trait bonus is 1.5 for Th1 and 2.0 for Th2, and the only "mystery" is the TH item bonus impact (IE: that of TK and AA), but there have been tests with larger sample sizes which support a 1% increase per piece. This is also why TH items become more valuable as the base drop rate plummets

If base drop rate is 25% then
(25% x 2.0) + 2 == 52%
You go from 50% to 52% giving TH4 a 4% increase over TH 2

If base drop rate is 10% then
(10% x 2.0) +2 == 22%
You go from 20% to 22% giving TH4 a 10% increase over TH2

If base drop rate is 3% then
(3% x 2.0) + 2 == 8%
You go from 6% to 8% giving TH4 a 33% increase over TH2

And finally if an item had a 1% drop rate
(1% x 2.0) + 2 == 4%
You go from a 2% drop rate to a 4% drop rate giving TH4 a 200% increase over TH2


In every scenario TH4 will increase drop rates over that of TH2. It just becomes more profound as the base drop rates get lower and lower.

Edited, Aug 25th 2010 12:06pm by Melphina