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#1 Dec 29 2010 at 12:22 PM Rating: Good
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is it awesome? Or do you only get like 80 TP?
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#2 Dec 29 2010 at 3:21 PM Rating: Good
When i tried it I got very low return and then never set it again. I was thinking that at some point end-game it might prove usefull if you have the right set up and the NM you are fighting has a powerful TP move you want to try and prevent. Also I never tested this with AOE on, so you might get much better returns with this. Problem is also that without any really good THM TP move we are without anything that good to use the tp for.
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#3 Dec 29 2010 at 3:36 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm not trying to be mean, but did you try it right at the start of battle or right after a weaponskill or when you were sure he actually had a lot of tp? I just want to be sure that the mob had tp to absorb.
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#4 Dec 29 2010 at 5:07 PM Rating: Good
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EdyNOTB, pet mage of Jabober wrote:
Problem is also that without any really good THM TP move we are without anything that good to use the tp for.


Oh, I like using red lotus with my THM but I was also thinking about whether it would be worth putting on my GLA (when I get it... in a million years)
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#5 Dec 29 2010 at 5:22 PM Rating: Good
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I've gotten over 1k TP from a live mob before. It's useful to keep them from spamming skills. Also like syphon mp you can steal tp from dead mobs which is also strange cuz the tool tip even states you get -more- tp from a dead mob... 0_o but wait even just 10ish seconds into a fight and if there's more then one mob, you'll have a bunch of SP. Personally I use the lancer ability leg sweep on my bar just for an aoe stun.
#6 Dec 29 2010 at 6:21 PM Rating: Good
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Boompyro wrote:
I've gotten over 1k TP from a live mob before. It's useful to keep them from spamming skills. Also like syphon mp you can steal tp from dead mobs which is also strange cuz the tool tip even states you get -more- tp from a dead mob... 0_o but wait even just 10ish seconds into a fight and if there's more then one mob, you'll have a bunch of SP. Personally I use the lancer ability leg sweep on my bar just for an aoe stun.


Oh sweet - this is what I was hoping to hear. I was thinking for THM... I want to equip a couple incapacitating weaponskills for soloing/duoing and thought it would be nice to get some extra TP outside of spamming dart attacks.
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#7 Dec 30 2010 at 4:03 AM Rating: Good
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I'm not trying to be mean, but did you try it right at the start of battle or right after a weaponskill or when you were sure he actually had a lot of tp? I just want to be sure that the mob had tp to absorb.


Lol I dont think you're mean! Hehe good point though. I had 'tested' it very little when I got it so even though I had tried it at various points during some fights, it looks like other people are having much better results than I. Glad to see that you are able to find a use for it Olorinus. :)
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#8 Dec 30 2010 at 1:07 PM Rating: Good
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well... I will have a use for it when I get PUG to 22 and finally get THM up to the rank I can get absorb TP, lol

I guess I was sort of looking for a carrot. Ranking up has been a slog. I like the skills I get on THM better than CON but I still have a hard time forcing myself to actually focus on it...
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#9 Dec 30 2010 at 3:52 PM Rating: Good
Olorinus the Vile wrote:
Ranking up has been a slog. I like the skills I get on THM better than CON but I still have a hard time forcing myself to actually focus on it...


Well I was 30 when nov patch hit us with the (no more party grind) sp nerf. Its now doblyns or leve's. My big tip, and I'm sure you already know this, is to match up with as many players as you can and leve-link as many as you can with guardians aspect on. You can get 25k easy per run on that, probably more if more people link. From what I know you get about 10% total more sp this way (as opposed to running everyones leve's seperately) but more importantly its much much quicker than running everyones seperately. Remember behest is on the hour every hour so always time you leves and if you have to wait 10 minutes then thats a good idea because a 15 person behest can easily net you 4-5k if you have lots of people. Looking at your rank you havent got that far to go to 32 and doing things this way until SE changes it up should get you there much quicker than you would imagine.
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#10 Dec 30 2010 at 4:03 PM Rating: Good
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yeah.... lol I know those ways but ... I just don't really enjoy doing it. That is what makes it so hard. I don't actually like doing leves that much. I miss party grinding. I was actually getting some nice SP before the patch in pickup parties (which didn't take a whole lot of hassle to get into and leave). Party grinding leves with my LS mates, however is a waaaay bigger time commitment and it takes a lot of work.

I appreciate the advice. I don't mean to whine, lol, I just hate that leves are really the only way to rank up - especially because I've been trying to rank up fisher and even more than battle jobs DoL REQUIRE leves to rank up.
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#11 Dec 30 2010 at 4:04 PM Rating: Good
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With that said - having a neat skill on the horizon might make it less horrible to try and grind up my THM.
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#12 Jan 02 2011 at 1:22 PM Rating: Good
Ok so I have been doing a little testing with this and with a few tweaks to my basic setup I was able to get decent numbers with this and find a use for it. I didn't tweak my stats (although I'm sure attribute points would make a difference) but I did make sure I was using it vs groups of mobs, ensured I closely monitored when I used it and set Damnation and Flashfreeze as my TP spells (I could have set second wind or something but just didnt need to). If I timed it right I could drain TP anywhere from 400-800 per mob and if I did it on Leve's (actually this is what I did all my testing on) with groups of mobs, I could fill my TP bar with one cast of the spell (not everytime mind you). Draining dead mobs didn't seem to give me any better results than when they were still standing and in fact in my experience it wasn't worth doing. The reason why? Well because by the time I had run to my next mob my tp had dropped to zero again.

So my conclusion is that Siphon TP is something worth setting if you have the right setup for it.

On a side note I did try and use it to stop some mobs doing their TP moves, however as I wasn't sure which moves were TP and which weren't it was difficult to measure its success. Mobs I fought such as Peist seemed to do their sandbreath (is this right?) front conal AOE much less, if at all, when I drained their tp at the right moment but Hedgemoles still did the 'bury themselves' aoe move no matter how many times I tried. The 1 minute timer on the spell doesnt help with this type of casting though because with a few people hitting the mob its tp will grow very quickly.

I knid of wish that we could replace Siphon TP with a TP inhibitor type of spell, or one that reduces a targets tp a little like the ones the syphid swarms have (TP Bleed?).

Anyway thats my testing so far with this spell. :)
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#13 Jan 03 2011 at 12:23 AM Rating: Decent
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Paralyze is what you use in those circumstances. (to stop TP moves)

A lot of people judge spells once they get them, but so many scale up after more ranks. Tested with many damage skills during my grinds on Iron Coblyns. So all the other potential variables should be static except rank.

There is class affinity to consider when cross-classing skills, some lose ~20% potency and added cast / recast times. I think we will get mark abilities to eventually "master" a job though.
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#14 Jan 03 2011 at 1:28 AM Rating: Good
SpelunkerOne wrote:
Paralyze is what you use in those circumstances. (to stop TP moves)


Totally agree, but in answer to the op I was just explaining the possible uses of Siphon TP (plus Paralyze does not always stick).
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#15 Jan 03 2011 at 2:41 AM Rating: Decent
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I knid of wish that we could replace Siphon TP with a TP inhibitor type of spell, or one that reduces a targets tp a little like the ones the syphid swarms have (TP Bleed?).


This is basically a role that Lnc got instead. The Moonrise weaponskill lower TP generation and Twisting Vice even fully wipes out the target's TP.
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#16 Jan 03 2011 at 7:14 AM Rating: Good
RedGalka wrote:

This is basically a role that Lnc got instead. The Moonrise weaponskill lower TP generation and Twisting Vice even fully wipes out the target's TP.


Oh thats cool - I just started playing about with LNC the other day. :)
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#17 Jan 09 2011 at 10:08 PM Rating: Good
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Thanks for the helpful comments everyone.

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#18 Feb 09 2011 at 5:26 PM Rating: Good
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So I have siphon TP now - and I think it is GREAT! I was using it on my PUG and it works like a charm - especially in situations like leves where you have a lot of mobs in close proximity. I pull from 400-850 TP from a single mob with it, which is enough to pull a trammel as my opening move, featherfoot, evade and jarring strike!
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