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#1 Aug 23 2012 at 8:08 AM Rating: Decent
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Are skillups on desynth possible? I have never, ever gotten one. Currently crafting Errant Slops as my skillup item, and while I get a normal amount of skillups on the synth, I've yet to see a single skillup on desynthing these in 4 stacks of lightning crystals. Is the desynth level based on the item obtained by any chance? I'm getting silk thread and ram leather, both of which are well below my craft levels and would explain the lack of skillups.

On another character, I just purchased the Carpenter's Kit and placed it in my MH. Do I have to have the Moghancement from that item active to get the benefits?
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#2 Aug 23 2012 at 8:39 AM Rating: Good
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Skill ups when desynthing an item are possible. This was common practice when leveling goldsmithing at one point. As you have noticed, it is also much rarer to see skillups from a desynth, but the rate is certainly not abysmal. Desynth recipes cap at the level of the recipe for the same item and the results are only based on what goes into making the item. So as long as your clothcraft is below lv94, you will always have a chance at seeing a skillup when desnything errant slops.

I guess it depends on the price of lightning crystals, the npc price, and results from desynthing- but I rarely find it to be better than just selling the item to an npc instead.

In order to receive furnishing bonuses, the moghancement must be active- simply having the item in your mog house will not give you any crafting boosts.

Edited, Aug 26th 2012 12:13pm by xypin
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#3 Aug 23 2012 at 2:28 PM Rating: Good
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I always thought you needed to have mog inhancements active for them to work and the stronger the effect is supposed to be better.
Although I am not sure how well this works as people tend to have a belief system in place for crafting like:

"If I face a certain way during a specific moon phase, I will stand a better chance of a HQ"

I don't tend to rely too much on mog inhancement for my crafting and tend to place things in there that looks pretty instead. :D
In any case, crafting at 90+ is very annoying even if your not using desynth recipes to skill up.
The price of crystals might be one thing to factor in to the price of the synth but if you have a job that can solo EP elementals, why not go to sky and try farming some clusters.
(They are much easier to farm then they used to be and they stack so they wont take up your invent like you used to. They are also up 24/7)

So in short:
Regular skill up recipes can take from 5-15 stacks of materials at your currant level.
Desynths can take even more mats then that ><



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#4 Aug 26 2012 at 11:10 AM Rating: Good
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Aura strength does not effect Moghancement skill bonus, but I can't say the same for the lost material bonus from Moglification. If you pile a bunch of Moghancement furnishings together though, you will receive Mega Moglification, which gives +5 skill. At minimum, the 150k furnishing, signboard, and guild stall are required for this to work.

I think the guild stall alone gives Mega Moglification, but it'll still only be +1 skill without other furnishings.
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#5 Aug 28 2012 at 9:29 AM Rating: Good
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A few inaccuracies here.

xypin wrote:
Skill ups when desynthing an item are possible . . . it is also much rarer to see skillups from a desynth

Agreed. I can't remember the last time I actually saw one, but I don't really desynth very often anymore.

xypin wrote:
Desynth recipes cap at the level of the recipe for the same item

This is generally assumed to be the case, but I don't know that it has actually be proven to always be true. I know I've seen a number of recipes on wikis over the years that claim a different level for synth/desynth, but I have never attempted to verify or otherwise resolve these discrepancies. It's a good rule of thumb, however.

xypin wrote:
and the results are only based on what goes into making the item.

A good rule of thumb, but not always the case. The only specific counter-example I can think of right now is Angel's Flute, which is made from rosewood and parchment. Although it has since been changed, the desynth result used to include the possibility of an angelstone. This may have been an unintentional exception, but it is (was) an exception none the less. There are also a number of items which can be desynthed, but for which there is no (or no known) synthesis recipe (sky gear, for example).

xypin wrote:
If you pile a bunch of Moghancement furnishings together though, you will receive Mega Moglification, which gives +5 skill. At minimum, the 150k furnishing, signboard, and guild stall are required for this to work.

I think the guild stall alone gives Mega Moglification, but it'll still only be +1 skill without other furnishings.

This was ninja-changed such that the stall alone gives +5 skill. I have personally tested this and verified it to be true (at least +5, I did not attempt to rule out higher values), and others have claimed such over at BG.
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#6 Aug 28 2012 at 10:55 AM Rating: Good
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VxSote wrote:
xypin wrote:
Skill ups when desynthing an item are possible . . . it is also much rarer to see skillups from a desynth

Agreed. I can't remember the last time I actually saw one, but I don't really desynth very often anymore.

Yeah, skill up rate from desynths is very low. Back when inflation was rampant, you could make decent profit buying stuff from vendors and desynthing them, and selling the materials on the AH. Being able to get occasional skill ups while doing so was an added bonus.

With the way the economy is currently, there are far fewer situations where it makes sense to desynth. It's not a bad way to try and squeeze an extra skill up or two after synthing a large amount of product for skill ups. For example, when I was skilling up Bonecrafting, there wasn't much of a market on stuff like Scorpion Rings. So I would just desynth the rings after making them, hoping to recover materials for further skill up attempts and maybe a lucky skill up from the desynth itself.

I don't have any records to back this up, but I recall getting on average one desynth skill up maybe every couple of dozen attempts or so.
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#7 Jan 02 2013 at 2:46 PM Rating: Good
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Quite simply? Yes, but the odds are much slimmer than synthesis skillups. But it does happen. I was skilling up an alt on smithing, decided to zap some scale armor I'd just made...and bing, .2 smithing skillup to 15. Happens later as well, back when I was doing green ribbons on Kyreth for CC I can clearly remember picking up nearly a full point's worth of skill breaking the ribbons back down into silk thread.
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