looking in a certian direction while crafting?Follow

Found this guide for you on crafting days and directions

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/guides.html?guide=808

no one but SE really knows, but for the sake of turning to face a certain direction, why not, it can't hurt your synths, or can it?

No, facing directions will not affect crafting in any way. That also means that it doesn't hurt to face in a particular direction.

Keep in mind though, that if you DO follow directional synthesis, you also have to observe the place you are doing it. Inside cities or dungeons is no good, walls, air polution or plant life will interfere with unobscured sight, as will any amount of players standing between you and the proper direction. Also, you will have to avoid being geograhically near elemental protocrystals or strong currents of crystal energy or similar etheric energy, as this will overpower the minute effects of directions. (For obvious reasons, you should not face a elemental protocrystal's direction, as the starmap is far more accurate...)

There are only two possible out comes to crafting in ffxi

1: Direction, moon phase, element of day, player elemental aura, time of day and any other voodoo ideas DO affect crafting sucess/hq

or

2: None of that crap matters but your skill level


Either way it cant hurt to pick a time and direction to synth. If all that hoodoo is true then congrats! If it's just random well then you had just a good a chance at a selected time than at a random time. I personally do only synth in certain directions and certain days/time.

True, it only takes a moment.

I'm a believer myself. I found this pic somewhere on the internet a long time ago, and I always used it as a guide:

I go by the crafting direction, only because I'd rather believe in something than nothing at all, even if it is bogus.

No conclusive evidence has ever been provided to support the belief that any external factors have an affect on crafting results.

The existing timers, pictures, and websites have all been created out of assumptions and conjecture.

The only thing I can say with certainty is that the more experience a crafter has, the less likely it is that he believes in any external factors.

IMO Since b/c no one that's ever figured out the 'craft x-item at exactly y-time' has ever shared that data, we don't really have the specifics for how any of the crafting timers work (day/moon/month etc). So if they are real, everyone could be crafting at exactly the _wrong_ time.

Random numbers are random.
Everything else is just confirmation bias.

I turn my head to the East,
But I see no HQs by my side,
So I turn my head to the West,
Still no HQs in sight.
So I turn my head to the North,
Channel my power from deep inside,
The superstition's dead and gone,
And I'm gonna be alright.

What if you practice it, but it's wrong?

Everyone assumes that not only 1) do you get better results by facing a certain way, but 2) the widely published cardinal directs are accurate.

If it's not accurate, it's not win/win.

I like to think that's not a possibility :3

What? Ride an airship at night,and look up, find the colored stars, and note their cardinal direction/intermediate direction. (I think they are ezier to see with weather off, but I'm not positive since I don't ride the airshop much anymore) You can see while not on the airship also, but you can't usually get a good view in every dirrection

Not quite, a computer generates its "random" numbers through a complex algorithm, so there is a pattern to it, an incredibly complex one, but a pattern none the less. Who is to say that the coders at SE didn't plug direction, zone, time of day, main job, sub job, level, weather, day of week, moon phase, or anything else into the algorithm. I think its unlikely that they did most of those, but I face the posted directions most of the time anyway.

Edited, Jul 14th 2009 10:29am by Leane

Edited, Jul 14th 2009 10:32am by Leane

Crafting 8 HQ staves in a row is something that will happen 15 times every million attempts.

It's rare, and not statistically reliable, but it happens.

What the RMT know and you may not, is the power of averages. I'm curious to know if you counted the TOTAL number of times that RMT crafter attempted to craft a staff, because I wager that, over time, he didn't do better than 1 in 4.

Every Woodworker with 100+3+3 skill has a 25% chance of HQing an Elemental Staff. You may not see exactly 25 of them every 100 attempts, but I promise you it'll be close.

Thank you. Directional crafting is one of the longest running rumors with absolutly no statistical proof. If you are going to face certain directions while you craft you might as well continue rushing Goblin's arms to make them drop their bombs and run around in circles to help dodge mob's attacks.



Well said.



Edited, Jul 15th 2009 10:59am by VawnLakshmi

Yeah, it's obviously a d20, not a d15.

I like to be believe that these factors (elemental moon phase, time of day, direction, day) affect crafting results.

There is evidence that these things affect other aspects of FFXI e.g. positioning for THF or monster's Sics, elemental day effecting magic resistance, night/day affecting gear (although my theory on time of day is not as simple as that) so we know that FFXI is capable of distinguishing between these factors and allowing them to affect other aspects of the game. It's highly possible that these factors influence crafting.

The problem is letting it run your life!

I let it get to the point where there was only 6 blocks of 30 game minutes every moon cycle that I would craft certain synths. Whilst I believed that this gave me some sort of an advantage, it was very hectic on my RL and I ended up quitting for two years to get back on top of things.

I think there is a real danger in playing an extra hour later than you should because you are waiting for day change etc. Whilst I know that the OP was simply asking about direction but when you take into account the other factors, there is a danger that the FFXI crack can start affecting your RL.

I hope that you never have this particular problem.

I'm back now, and I still craft a lot (hell I have 1600+ crafting levels and counting) but I no longer wait for certain times, days or moon cycles because I simply cannot afford to let it run my FFXI playing time (nor my life - although I think I'm cured of that part now).

I like the idea of these things affecting crafting, i believe i have witnessed it and it seems quite possible, but I don't think it makes enough of a difference to bother with anymore :)

Fair call! Well... If you have always been doing it that way, you cannot prove yourself wrong ^^.

I first started crafting when directional myths were all the rage. Rather than being a complete sheep I tested direction with about 1000 synths. This was years ago when i was still leveling my first craft and it showed a small difference. From that point, I had been doing it ever since (until recently anyway).

The reality of course is that 1000 synths across 8 directions is hardly a good enough statistical sample when it only showed a few % difference. But interestingly, the opposite directional elements made up the difference and so with all the hype it was enough for me at the time.

I'm not saying I have proven anything... you certainly don't see me writing anything of the sort; however, my eyes, no one has conclusively proven otherwise either.

There is a post of some dude that has done 17k synths which certainly seems to show it doesn't matter... However if you add up all the possible combinations across all the plausible theories, then this is not a large enough sample size either to *prove* anything.

One thing is clear, IF there is any difference at all, its minimal and IMO not worth worrying about.

... finally, Why do I like to believe? Well, I like to believe that crafting is more than just a grind. I like to be believe that there is still some mystery to be solved... however It's no longer my plan to find it. Now i just like signed sh*t ^^

I came to that same conclusion when crafting on boat and airship rides to pass the time. If there really was some equation that involved direction, is it just omitted when you're on the boat or airship? Seems more likely that the developers would just make synthing unavailable where there was no direction if it actually made a difference.

Edited, Sep 21st 2009 11:33am by michelobmidgard

I'm not a believer in the days of the week, but I do make sure to face an "appropriate" direction.

It's a pain the ass to delay crafting because it's not the right day. But it doesn't cost me any time to spin my character around.

Something I'll note: the Guild holidays have nothing to do with whether its good or bad to craft a particular synth on that day, but rather, what sort of elements are bad for the results of the craft.

Cooking: Darksday is the holiday, because deteriorated (rotted) food is bad.

Goldsmithing: Iceday is the holiday because ice and cold tempteratures makes jewelry more brittle.

Clothcraft: Firesday is the holiday, because cloth burns easily.

And so forth.

Yes, did you read what else I said?





I'm not the one that started a post to prove anything. I also went out of my way to say I do not have evidence either.

All i said is if there are going to be factors, there are probably a lot of them and the sample sizes we have been tested are not going to be enough to prove (meaning 100%) anything.

This said, I support his findings (forgot his name i'm sorry) and agree that he is probably right.

I would still like to believe there is some mystery left other than the exact level of the subcraft on some obscure and useless synth.

This ^^


And... if you do choose to believe, please don't let it distract you from the more important things in life ^^.

i love your analysis of my beliefs, bobthefirst (curious, whose sockpuppet are you?), bravo! how did you guess that i'm actually not an atheist. it may surprise you to understand, but non-atheists can use religious imagery and symbols negatively to present arguments too. why are you so narrow minded?

i do remember this being a discussion on a game created by lazy people using logical statements. if you want to infer my beliefs on life (vastly unexplored) from a game based on extremely simple mechanics, that says more about you than it does me. please, do not for a second even try to extrapolate my beliefs in life from a simple game. if you do, then you need to stop playing this game and explore your imagination and human dignity or at least look harder for insults.

my remarks maybe harsh, i do not deny that fact, i dont care what you think of me as long as you read what i have to say.

if a sample size of 17k exists (as thickskin states) and shows no variance in crafting results, then it is enough evidence to stop choosing any particular direction when crafting. a sample of 1k that shows small variance is expected because of it's small size. a sample of 17k has much more worth than 1k because of it's accuracy compared to the real true value. in a game, and not in life, this really isn't up for discussion at the point of 17k. if it was real life, then you could make plenty of arguments that i would honestly love to listen to; but it's not. and to leave open the possibility of the crafting compass affecting your crafting results only shows you need to get outside more or try learning about the world you actually live in. leaving it open for discussion after 17k sample size is a person begging for some magical awe in a game with simple mechanics. it just doesn't exist, im sorry to break your heart.

ffxi is a game, it has definite logical statements because that is how it's created. if direction matters in some bizarre way beyond our comprehension because the devs care enough to trick you, you still have a 1/8 (or less, why is only 8 directions?) chance to be right in which direction you choose at any given synthesis. you have no idea when any direction is correct or wrong. if you face 1 specific direction based on a system with no grounds whatsoever, you're more likely to be always wrong than ever right. if you care about the direction you face because you think the devs are the evil genius plotting against you, then spin your character and stop randomly. there's your unbiased direction which would help you more than any crafting compass.