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#1 May 17 2005 at 12:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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And the official statement is.......................... "No Comment".


http://na.square-enix.com/events/ffxi/tour2005/aiea/panel/index.html


Lol, if Haggan wouldn't have mentioned that the questions were preprogrammed and the answers already written before the panel took place I would have sworn the developer didn't even understand the question. :)
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I doubt SE will ever come forward on this subject ;)

Players have too much fun trying to prove/disprove it ^_^
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#3 May 17 2005 at 9:03 AM Rating: Good
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It's true - it would be stupid on their part to release such information. Part of the fun of the system is figuring out things like that, which is why I was pretty surprised when I read the title of this thread.

Interesting read, though. Thanks!
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#4 May 17 2005 at 11:34 AM Rating: Decent
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Is it just me, or did they practically avoid every question? XD
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#5 May 17 2005 at 1:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Is it just me, or did they practically avoid every question?

I thought the extent to which the answered was appropriate. Their answers were not of the variety "I can neiether confirm nor deny any such information at this time." I think there are yes/no answers to nearly every question if you read between the lines.

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Hey, even Jesus Christ hardly ever gave a straight answer.

Guys: Hey, Jesus, what should we do with this hooker? You teach mercy, but you also should be aginst hookers!

Jesus: ...
Jesus draws pictures in the dirt

Guys: WTF?
Guys gives up, confused.

If you don't want to give up information, just answer the question that you WISH they'd asked. Easy.

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Hey, even Jesus Christ hardly ever gave a straight answer.

Guys: Hey, Jesus, what should we do with this hooker? You teach mercy, but you also should be aginst hookers!

Jesus: ...
Jesus draws pictures in the dirt

Guys: WTF?
Guys gives up, confused.

If you don't want to give up information, just answer the question that you WISH they'd asked. Easy.


If you are going to use scripture to make a point, at least do so correctly. All you are doing is misleading people not familiar with the passage. On the other hand, don't twist the story just so you can fit it to your analogy--that's just plain wrong and offensive.
#8 May 18 2005 at 6:01 PM Rating: Decent
sh*t, I thought Khorbins post was hilarious.
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It's the world we live in, some people are offended, some people find it hilarious. These boards cannot be monitored for offensive material because let's face it, people can be offended by anything these days =P

All I can say is get a sense of humor and remember it's the internet, most arguements are opinions, so no one is right or wrong, it's what you think is right or wrong. Take everything with a grain of salt, sit back, relax, and enjoy life. You aren't getting out alive anyway ;)

Edited, Wed May 18 20:24:38 2005 by Joobishwun
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#10 May 18 2005 at 8:10 PM Rating: Decent
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All I can say is get a sense of humor and remember it's the internet, most arguements are opinions, so no one is right or wrong, it's what you think is right or wrong.


No, his interpretation is absolutely wrong. Opinion or not, my only beef is that what he did was to incorrectly paraphrase a very well known passage from the Bible. This is not an attack on his personal beliefs which is irrelevant. He is misleading people who are not familiar with the passage which is obviously wrong. Now consider this, how many people get rated down hourly on these forums for posting information that is wrong? What if I made a post and quoted Yoda from The Empire Strikes Back and said and described actions that Yoda did not do? I can gaurantee you that someone out there would take the time to write out the entire dialogue with the actions verbatim and time-stamped for quick reference.

If the poster had correctly paraprashed the passage, or better yet, copied it from an acceptable source, irrespective of the opinion he infused in his post, I wouldn't have even bothered to reply. I do not enjoy arguing religious or spiritual matters. But what he did was just plain wrong, and that is why I posted.

I am just left wondering, out of all the possible scenarios or hypothetical situations he could have used to get his point across, why did he choose that one. It's just so bizarre and inappropriate.
#11 May 19 2005 at 12:35 AM Rating: Decent
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You missed the point completely.

You're going to sit here and argue on the internet over a board that not even 5% of the world's population even visit, all to prove your point that this person is wrong in doing something you don't agree with.

Take a minute to think about this, seriously.
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#12 May 19 2005 at 2:05 AM Rating: Decent
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if you want to go all nitpicky about some guy's misinterpertation of the bible, take it somewhere else. He makes an analogy, and I think its funny.

If you don't, take your beef to private messages. Nobody cares about your stance on interperting everything the world as it is intended. You're off topic, your ass can make diamonds from coal, and nobody cares. Take your jihad elsewhere.

Also, "no comment" usually means it has something to do with synethsis direction. They usually tell you if something is completely off, like Chr affecting the hate effect on provoke.


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Edited, Thu May 19 03:15:20 2005 by Poweryoga
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TO Joobishwun the Wise and Poweryoga:

I am sorry that you do not understand the point I am trying to get across and how in reality it has nothing to do with the passage. I must not have done a good job in arguing my point.

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all to prove your point that this person is wrong in doing something you don't agree with.


This has nothing to do with my agreement since there are billions of Bibles in the world that tell the story, and surprisingly, even though there may be different versions of the Bible, NONE of them tell the story the way he did. Though I find his analogy vulgar and inappropriate, the real point of contention is that he just totally distorted a very well known passage of the Bible. It would be like me adding a few lines to the Constitution, or changing the ending to Romeo and Julietand passing them off as original just so I can make my point. No matter how you argue against it, it is just plain W-R-O-N-G. All the poster had to do was just say, "I am paraphrasing." And I will say it again, I DO NOT care about his personal beliefs and whether or not he espouses them to the world. That's his perogative and I just go on my merry way.

The only thing I am trying to get across is just don't post blatantly wrong information, and if you do, expect to be called on it.
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TO Joobishwun the Wise and Poweryoga:

I am sorry that you do not understand the point I am trying to get across and how in reality it has nothing to do with the passage. I must not have done a good job in arguing my point.

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all to prove your point that this person is wrong in doing something you don't agree with.


This has nothing to do with my agreement since there are billions of Bibles in the world that tell the story, and surprisingly, even though there may be different versions of the Bible, NONE of them tell the story the way he did. Though I find his analogy vulgar and inappropriate, the real point of contention is that he just totally distorted a very well known passage of the Bible. It would be like me adding a few lines to the Constitution, or changing the ending to Romeo and Julietand passing them off as original just so I can make my point. No matter how you argue against it, it is just plain W-R-O-N-G. All the poster had to do was just say, "I am paraphrasing." And I will say it again, I DO NOT care about his personal beliefs and whether or not he espouses them to the world. That's his perogative and I just go on my merry way.

The only thing I am trying to get across is just don't post blatantly wrong information, and if you do, expect to be called on it.

I thought it was funny.
Who cares if he depicts it correctly?
Did he get his point across? yes... so what's the problem?
It's not I'm going to start living my life acording to how he used that passage in a comparison...
give it up...
I could go and say Jesus was born, then died and leave out all the crap inbetween... but to me, that's all that happened and all I see is the end point. he died...
he seen that passage as a good point, so he used it in whatever way he wanted to... leave him be...



as for the topic...
I wish they could at least HINT at there being or not being something!


Edited, Thu May 19 13:23:55 2005 by KakarotDBZ
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#16 May 19 2005 at 12:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Interesting...

Thanks for the link ^^

SE is being darn cheeky about the directional crafting. Darn ><"

Edited, Thu May 19 13:42:12 2005 by Lwin
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Saicon,

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The only thing I am trying to get across is just don't post blatantly wrong information, and if you do, expect to be called on it.


I'm so gonna get a lot of beef for this, but leave it to a christian to tell people what to do and what not to do. I'm sorry but I don't believe in man-made religion ;)

Edit: Bet you anything this is going to turn in a 10 page post involving religion, politics, and those tiny umbrella's they put in beverages.

Edited, Thu May 19 13:51:32 2005 by Joobishwun
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tiny umbrellas rawk!

and yep, it will be like that...

I think I'll make it go in that dirrection a lil further...
hehe

Religion is for the uneducated!
An educated person can not seriously believe there is a god to which there is no evidence of.
The bible is a story book that the uneducated of past centuries took to be true and preached it...

What if Harry Potter was writen in a time where things of that nature were said to be true. Then right now we have a potter religion instead of the wiccan thing...

I'm not saying i'm highly educated or anything, but I can see reason and I have common sense... common sense tells me that a person can not split a sea. a person can not gather 2 of every animal without having them kill eachother. A person can be brought back to life.
I could go on and on and on.
You may as well believe in faries, trolls, fire breathing dragons, santa and the whole lot...

all fictional and the bible was just a tool used centuries ago to try and control people into doing what they thought was right and wrong...

yey!
I make no sense!
but I'm having fun doing it!
my tombstone will read...
Here lies an Atheist
All dressed up
And no place to go.


oh yea...
one more thing...
most people have no idea how many people believe in what they believe simply because that is what they were told they were supposed to do... Parents mess up kid's lives so bad, they just have no idea...

Edited, Thu May 19 14:07:22 2005 by KakarotDBZ
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I personally believe in the supernatural, unknown, what have you. I think that we are arrogant to think that we are the only beings in the universe, so therefor I believe in life on other planets. I also believe in a higher power, mainly due to the fact that I was taught this at a young age. However my learning has come to a stand still because of what the Bible can not teach us, that of course being after-death. We can believe where we will end up, but until you actually experience it you will be filled with doubt.

But I figure if I'm right, I'll go to a cool place, if I'm wrong, I won't exist so big deal lol

"Life is to short", actually Life is as long as life. It's neither short, nor is it long. Our expectations are what make it short. We spend half our lives waiting to become older, then the other half wishing we were young again. All I can suggest is to take life as it is, try not to dwell on the past, but at the same time don't forget it either. Life is what you make of it, regardless of how it turns out.
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#20 May 19 2005 at 2:25 PM Rating: Good
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I guess this topic has gotten WAY off topic, however here is the link with the Information reguarding "Directional Crafting"



So it depends What you are crafted :p
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#21 May 19 2005 at 2:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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You're going to sit here and argue on the internet over a board that not even 5% of the world's population even visit, all to prove your point that this person is wrong in doing something you don't agree with.


I hate to break it to you, but it is more like not even 0.02% of the world's population visit (assuming 1,000,000 distinct users/visitors and rounded up to 0.02% from .015xxx... %) Now that is giving allakhazam almost double the total users to include distinct visitors and take away people with more than one alla account, which may be about right or may be too generous (I lean towards too generous). Either way you are looking at 0.01% - 0.02% of the the population, over the course of allakhazam's existence (since many of those users are not active it means lower actual current numbers). Then we get into the arguement of how many of those users/visitors are interested in FFXI. Then how many are interested in the Trade Skills forum. Then how many are interested enough to check every post, in particular this post before it falls too far down the board for them to care. Then you are looking at MAYBE 1/20 of those total users/visitors, which, (as you can plainly see) puts you at about 0.0001% of the world's population.

No real point in giving a somewhat more educated percentage of the world's population that views this board. Maybe to show that this board holds no power and you don't really make your mark on the world (except maybe on God) by stating how pro/anti religion (Christianity in this case) you are.

Oh and btw I agree with Saicon that you should at least state what it says correctly, otherwise it makes no sense to use it as an example. You are not stating the story about the Jesus Christ in the Bible, you are making up a story of your own.

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Btw I said "not even 5%" meaning it could be anywhere from .00000000000000009% all the way to 4.9% lol

This post will go on forever, look what I've started ;)
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Hmmm...

If you do not believe in a religion then don't quote it wrong and laugh at it. That simple. Not EVERYTHING someone may say may be offensive. Remember everyone is a human just like you. Saying "Cheese sucks" isn't gonna make anyone get seriously offended (Maybe a very small % of the population will <.<) but when you quote something out of a religious book, and quote it wrong to make people laugh at it, yeah you will be offending someone. There are too many Christians in the world to post some ignorant **** like that.



Joobishwun and Kakorot(sp i'm sorry),

That's nice you don't believe in religion but just because you don't believe in it doesn't mean you are free to say it's ignorant (NOTE: I didn't quote you on that, but that's basically what you guys said).

Lemme stop. I'm done with that. It's just the internet anyway :p
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Arme,
Technically I am free to say what I want on the internet, also means I'm subject to ridicule, prejudice, and any general hate toward my opinion, kinda reminds me of real life ;)

Let me just rephrase though, I don't believe in religion because I don't feel like being labeled for something I believe in. I believe in Jesus and God because I was grown up that way. I do not consider myself a christian in anyway because that is a name given to a group of people by man, not by God. I believe in God's eyes it doesn't matter what you call yourselves, and that he has given multiple ways to reach him, whether it be through religions, or other means. But that's just my belief, not everyone agree's with it of course =)

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Lemme stop. I'm done with that. It's just the internet anyway :p


This is the whole point I'm trying to get across, you said it best, thank you =)

Edited, Thu May 19 19:40:25 2005 by Joobishwun
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Guys: Hey, Jesus, what should we do with this fart? You teach mercy, but you also should be against farts!

Jesus: ...
Jesus lays a duece in the dirt

Guys: WTF?
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Btw I said "not even 5%" meaning it could be anywhere from .00000000000000009% all the way to 4.9% lol

This post will go on forever, look what I've started ;)


So... it couldn't be 4.99% then? o.O

lol, jk. But by saying "not even 5%" it shows that you really couldn't narrow it down past 5%... I mean c'mon... by your arguement I'll just say that not even 101% of the world's population is going to read this. Now no one or everyone can read this and I am right... so that makes me always know what I am talking about right.... o.O ... I don't think so. "not even 5%" = basically wrong ;).
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Guys, there is an "Out of Topic" forum for a reason.

Take your discussion there.

I opened this thread because I'm interested in directional theory, and I have to get through bickering on a completely unrelated topic to get there? Silly.

This is the TRADE SKILL FORUMS. Jesus may have worked with wood, but he didn't do it in Final Fantasy, so take it elsewhere, folks.

On directional theory: I think I'd be upset if SE made a definate statement about it. I love testing it out, trying things with direction, moon phase, day, time of day, etc. The mystery is part of the fun, like with Crafting furniture. If there was an actual proven formula that SE gave us, like the percentage of EXP loss with death, that would just make the whole ordeal less fun.
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I believe it's all part of the mystery. I use the directional crafting myself, just because I think it's actually helping my craft. And when you try to build up CC to 62 believe me you'll try anything from Directional crafting to standing on your head with a bucket tied to your ankles and using your tongue to hit the keyboard to click the "OK" Button on your crystal.

I think it's there, and SE's "No comment" statement just further enhances my belief that it is in fact there. Until they blatantly say that Direction has no effect on anything what so ever, I'll continue the whole standing on my head while facing north for crafting adventure~ ;)
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Saicon, do you seriously believe that anyone, anywhere thought that that was an actual passage from the Bible? Seriously...you need to settle down. If you didn't like that analogy, you certainly would not appreciate any of the following, which I find hilarious:

[http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=1999-11-19&res=l]

[http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2000-09-11&res=l]

[http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2003-12-12&res=l]

[http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2004-08-04&res=1]

[http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2005-01-28&res=1]

Edited, Fri May 20 21:38:57 2005 by Gunno
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#34 May 21 2005 at 9:21 AM Rating: Default
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*looks up at the GIANT conversation..*

....Holy sh*t. Who pissed off the bishop?

Anyway, I do wish they gave some idea on direction crafting, but hey, that'd just make life easier, now wouldn't it?
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