Sandinmygum the Stupendous wrote:
Almost 2.5 hours (or more) to do all the dailies, solo, with the "needed" people? That is 30min shy (or all my time) of all my play time I can give during the week, and this is where my issue is at. I would totally tank more Heroic Randoms if I could just put a tabard on and run a few each night and gain rep with groups.
Well if your playing 3 hours a week you arent the intended target, your not raiding, it sounds like, so you can pick and choose who you want to do and how fast, I mean of course your going to be slower the someone that plays 3 hours everyday.
Golden Lotus is about 2 weeks of dailies that take 30-40 minutes to clear to hit revered.
Yes, but you can halve that if you find a group for those dailies.
If you are in a progression guild, you kind of do. My current guild isn't progression but we are top 10 on server (6/6 MoV, 3/6 HoF), we have 2-3 players who haven't done the dailies (myself included). I was about 15-18 Ilvl's behind our Druid who has everything maxed. I wasn't competitive, it took me getting some lucky HoF gear and getting Golden Lotus Revered to swing up to 481 equipped ilvl.
Uhm Your not 18 ilvl behind the druid because your not exalted with ALL reps. He either had better/more drops, bought the crafted 496 gear, or saved all his greater tokens and got awesome drops with HoF LFR/Normal/Heroic MSV. I kinda show that with my 2 toons Bacon, the warrior was a week later hitting 90 and im 6 ilvls behind my main Dracian. The only way that would be more feasible is if you were 3k/3k VP capped every week and had nothing to spend your points on, and since the weekly cap is 1k vp anyway. It would take you 3 weeks to reach that point, which if you choose to do only 1 set of dailies a day, you should have enough rep to buy something ( hell you hit near half way thru Honored Klaxxi just doing the entire Dread wastes SL). Not to mention VP gear is ilvl 489 so even in full VP gear you would be behind him.
My point being. If you take out all non-gear related reps (Tillers, Cloud Serpents, Anglers), you're left with Klaxxi, Golden Lotus, August Celestials, and Shado-pan. So until revered with GL/Klaxxi, you only need to do those, I think Klaxxi you get about 1.5k-2k a day rep( I could be wrong) from the basic dailies, and GL you get like 1.2k a day, now Im going to guess after basic lvling/question in correct zones. you start off Neutral with GL and I'm guessing about beginning honored, so you need 12k Klaxxi rep to reach Revered or about 7-10 days. Maybe a tad longer if you didn't quest in Dread Wastes leveling. As for Golden Lotus, just dailies takes like 3-4 weeks to get to revered.
Now Ill completely agree with all of you about GL being a grind, but as for raiding it's less about the rep grinds for VP as your capped weekly anyway, and more about the lesser tokens for the 3 loot tokens a week, so as a raider you need at least 90 lesser tokens a week. How you get there is up to you, but if you do only the dailies for raiding, thats means 45 quests a week, or could be broken down to revering Klaxxi the first week, and Golden Lotus, subsequent weeks for 45 quests a week, by the time you had enough VP to buy all three of the Klaxxi purples you would be, close to Revered with Golden Lotus only doing dailies for your Loot tokens.
Sorry just to show you all something Im going to put all the mathy stuff out.
Klaxxi VP items, neck (Honored,1250), waist(1750), pants(2250) ilvl 489 total VP to buy all 3 = 5250 VP
Weekly VP Cap 1000, 5.25 weeks to obtain all VP gear
Approx Rep a day 1.5k Totals number of daily quests a day, 8
Amount of Daily quests to get Greater charms a week 45, Amount of rep received if all 45 are Klaxxi dailies 6750 rep a week (45* 150 rep per quest).
Approx. 3 weeks to go from starter rep (about half way throu honored) to revered 3 weeks (maybe less kinda estimating)
Golden Lotus is about 10 quests a day @ 130 = 1300 rep a day
Vp pieces Ilvl 489 Ring (Honored, 1250), Chest (revered, 2250), Shoulders(revered, 1750) Total VP to buy all = 5,250
Weekly VP Cap 1000, Approx weeks to buy all VP Gear 5.25
Amount of Daily quests to get Greater charms a week 45, Amount of rep received if all 45 are Golden Lotus dailies 5,625/week
Amount of weeks to go from Neutral to Revered (total 21k rep) 4 Weeks doing only dailies for Tokens.
I think you might see the pattern. To fully Vp out every item it would take 21 weeks of VP cap every week, but would take about 16 weeks of dailies to revere every faction(with VP), ONLY DOING dailies for Lesser charms to raid which = only 3-5 days of doing dailies with just one faction.
Now were forgetting another point for the raider, Only MSV drops ilvl 489 (same ilvl as VP), HoF drops 496, and Not sure about TES (Terrace of Endless Spings)
So if a raider only did weekly lesser token (90) dailies, for greater tokens, Rep items suddenly become side/options for slot. So Bliz was right Vp is good for casuals doing Raidfinder, since it stays a higher Ilvl til terrace. But for raiders its outclassed by HoF. Edited, Nov 12th 2012 11:21am by BeanX Edited, Nov 12th 2012 11:59am by BeanX